Middle East Defence & Security

swerve

Super Moderator
I posted this in the Russia-Ukraine War thread but it has relevance here as well.


This TWZ article describes the Ukraine’s ban on inexpensive anti-drone munitions. Understandable given the Russian attacks but if excess supplies are available then perhaps the ban is a bargaining chip for getting longer range strike missiles.

Perhaps they could licence trusted manufacturers in other countries to make 'em.
 

koxinga

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Infact well there is lots of talk about the deployment of Marines to the area is for possibility taking kharg island. I think it may be for boarding tankers coming out of the strait. Admittedly tho anything is possible.
If it is about Iranian/IRGC military facilities that can't be taken out by bombing, a limited ground assault maybe contemplated but anything more comes with big risks, given the proximity to Iran

It feels like a replay of the Tanker Wars of the 1980s and Iraq had similarly targeted Kharg to disrupt Iran's economy.
 

koxinga

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Trump's calls for American allies to send ships to the Hormuz Straits would likely fall on deaf ears because the solution to reopen the Straits is de-escalate and stopping the bombing.

But no, he is expecting the rest of the world to bail him out on a mess that he started.

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Ananda

The Bunker Group
India already send their warship, but only to escort back their own cargo and tanker.

This is not popular war outside Israel and Trump MAGA supporters. Japan will not send their ship to war that they are not participate with. That's again their Self Defence constitution. ROK from what I read in their forums are already furious that Trump administration wants to take out THAAD missile from ROK The US may move some of its anti-missile system - and it's sparking unease in South Korea, something they see US/Trump neglection toward them.

While the European, I sense they will let Trump and Netanyahu falling down and sunk in further as consequences of this war. Seems US democrats being rumours try to convince European to stay out outside gulf, especially US mid term ellection clossing in.

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I believe he realised that he need to pull US from this quaqmire soon. He seems now try to negotiate something that he still claim as Victory.
 
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downunderblue

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Trump's calls for American allies to send ships to the Hormuz Straits would likely fall on deaf ears because the solution to reopen the Straits is de-escalate and stopping the bombing.

But no, he is expecting the rest of the world to bail him out on a mess that he started.

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His infinite geopolitical expertise got himself into this mess (against military counsel), yet he now wants to minimise the fallout asking everyone for help?

He has the USN. If they cant secure shipping in the Gulf then I'd suggest no one can (and it's time to find a graceful exit out of this sorry mess).

The question is, where are all the adults (non yes people) in the room with him? The Emperor has no clothes and I'm sick of constantly seeing his balls on display.
 

koxinga

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I believe he realised that he need to pull US from this quaqmire soon. He seems now try to negotiate something that he still claim as Victory.
Trump can spin a story on what they accomplished but the problem is who gets to decide how this ends is not Trump or Netanyahu but Iran.
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group
He has the USN. If they cant secure shipping in the Gulf then I'd suggest no one can (and it's time to find a graceful exit out of this sorry mess).
I suspect he wants to shown US audiences that he got 'coalition of willing' on securing Persian Gulf especially Hormuz straits. Getting some kind of coalition backing can perhaps increase those undecided votters for Mid Term, and most importantly his ego. Capability wise they will not add much from what USN already has.

Trump can spin a story on what they accomplished but the problem is who gets to decide how this ends is not Trump or Netanyahu but Iran.
I agree on that, but seems this is what behind the door the negotiation is. Wondering if he in the end going to let Netanyahu hangin dry. Some MAGA supporters already see this mess not Trump doing, but Netanyahu deceit.
 
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