Middle East Defence & Security

Feanor

Super Moderator
Staff member
Another Iranian response to Israeli attacks seems to have begun. Time works against Israel

I don't see how. Israel can stop this more or less anytime they want. Iran's ability to hit back is limited to throwing missiles at Israel. They can't force a decision to the war. They've lost the sky, and Israel can hit more or less what they want. Iran's capabilities aren't going to come back. There might be a depletion of Israeli PGM stocks, but they also chose this conflict, so presumably they planned accordingly. It would be different if there was a ground war component but as it is, it seems time is on Israel's side.
 

Perun

New Member
- Israel cannot attack in the entire depth of Iran. Iran can attack whatever it wants in Israel.
- Iran cannot attack Israeli jets over Iraq. Israel cannot defend itself against Iranian missiles.
This is the most Israel can do.
Iran has not yet used all models of missiles.
Without U.S. help (which Israel begs for on a daily basis), Israel's opportunities will not become greater. Iran has more missiles than targets in Israel.
 

Feanor

Super Moderator
Staff member
- Israel cannot attack in the entire depth of Iran. Iran can attack whatever it wants in Israel.
Can *attempt to attack. Israel has a good track record of intercepting Iranian missiles. Some get through, but certainly not all. It means there's a cost in intercepted missiles to achieve a guaranteed destruction of any target. This also ignores the loss of TELs by Iran that has reduced their potential volume of fire.

- Iran cannot attack Israeli jets over Iraq. Israel cannot defend itself against Iranian missiles.
It cannot intercept all. But I think if we look at interception rates we will find that Israel intercepts a far larger potion of inbounds then Iran. And it's much cheaper to fire an air-launched munition from Iraq into Iran then it is to fire an entire ballistic missiles from Iran into Israel.

This is the most Israel can do.
I'm not sure that's true. Israeli agents operated from within Iran to hit many targets. It is possible Israel can insert ground elements into Iran? I think yes. Whether it's a good idea is another story. Israel can also choose to fly their jets into Iran, and risk losing them. If they can roll back Iran's IADS far enough, this could be a viable option.

Iran has not yet used all models of missiles.
What's the significance of the models of missiles it hasn't used compared to the ones they have? A ballistic missile is a ballistic missile. It's a way to hit a target with a large payload from far away. If Iran had the ability to shut down Israeli air operations with missile strikes, surely they'd be doing it by now, not holding it back for some later date while Israel bombs them. If Iran doesn't have the ability to shut down Israeli air operations, then what's the significance of more missiles tossed at more targets? Is it your opinion that Iran has sufficient missile stock to achieve WMD-like effects on Israeli cities (well sufficient missile stocks and the ability to launch them)?

Without U.S. help (which Israel begs for on a daily basis), Israel's opportunities will not become greater. Iran has more missiles than targets in Israel.
Very true but in the worst way possible. It appears that Iran can't effective target Israeli leadership or military assets. This is why they have more missiles then targets. It would be worth while for Iran to exchange 20 of their missiles for a single Israeli jet destroyed on the ground, or a single Israeli SAM taken out. But we don't have good evidence of any of those happening.
 

seaspear

Well-Known Member
It could be likely that Iran had many more launchers than missiles and the destruction of these slowed down Iran's ability to use its missiles effectively ,there were quite a number of reports on numbers of ballistic missiles but not on launchers Israel claims to have destroyed most of them in this article
 
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