JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 / Super-7 Discussions

[Jezza]

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/003200802270922.htm


Paris (AP): France is in talks on providing high-tech missile and radar systems for a jet fighter that Pakistan is developing with China, a Defence Ministry official has confirmed.
Such a deal on Pakistan's JF-17 fighter would likely be opposed by the United States and Taiwan, analysts have said, out of concern that China could reap sensitive military technology. Bruno Berthet, assistant director for international development at the French Defence Ministry, said yesterday France is considering such concerns as it works toward signing a provisional deal that could allow Pakistan to obtain air-to-air missiles from France's MBDA and radars from Thales.

French missiles and radar would be a great asset


Its an old story already posted & discussed here. Next time please make sure if the discussion you are trying to generate is already going on or has been exhausted.

-SABRE

 

[xien]

the key isnt how good JF-17 is,is that Pakistan can equip this spec by their own factory,the designer of china has said this spec isnot as good as F-16C/D,just like F-16A/B.when you know how to design a new plane and equip it,you can do better.

 

[Aliph Ahmed]

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(Four) 4 JF-17s practicing manouvres.

 

[Aliph Ahmed]

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More J7-17 pictures. I thought they had paint the Sino-Pak flagged scheme plane into grey but not yet.

They have also been seen engaging in manouvres against F-16s and Mirages and F-7s.

 

[Aliph Ahmed]

4 JF-17s in burst formation thanks to Maglomanic.

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[kay_man]

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More J7-17 pictures. I thought they had paint the Sino-Pak flagged scheme plane into grey but not yet.

They have also been seen engaging in manouvres against F-16s and Mirages and F-7s.

how did they perform against the f-16?

 

[Aliph Ahmed]

how did they perform against the f-16?

That is an operational capability question and too early to conclude.

What I know for a fact is that PAF Pilots are extremely pleased and impressed with the performance of JF-17s and every PAF pilot is crazy for joining the JF-17 squadron as they were in the 80s to join F-16 squadrons.

 

[kay_man]

yea i definately believe that a JF-17 can bring a Mig-29 down. The JF-17 is a great addition to the Pakistani Air Force. This jet was influenced by the F-16 and the F-18. MiG-29 has great armament but the one thing that it kinda lacks is speed which the JF-17 clearly has

Oh come on !!!

i read on pak-def that the jf-17/fc1 does not perform as well as an f-16, there is also a video on youtube that shows that the jf17 takes a little longer than an f16 to do a 360 degree turn.

and mind u the f-16 is not meant to be an air dominance fighter and neither is the jf17. taking on a mig29 is a very very very big claim which is bred as an air dominance fighter and it has a scary and fierce reputation.it is counted as one of the deadliest fighters in the world !!!

this is one of the things i wanted to ask aliph ahmed , tht has the pak air force compromised quality for quantity??? im sure tha pilots are very pleased with the aircraft but is it worth it ?

 

[Aliph Ahmed]

Oh come on !!!

i read on pak-def that the jf-17/fc1 does not perform as well as an f-16, there is also a video on youtube that shows that the jf17 takes a little longer than an f16 to do a 360 degree turn.

and mind u the f-16 is not meant to be an air dominance fighter and neither is the jf17. taking on a mig29 is a very very very big claim which is bred as an air dominance fighter and it has a scary and fierce reputation.it is counted as one of the deadliest fighters in the world !!!

this is one of the things i wanted to ask aliph ahmed , tht has the pak air force compromised quality for quantity??? im sure tha pilots are very pleased with the aircraft but is it worth it ?:

Mind sharing with us the kills of the so called " scary, fierce and one of the deadliest fighter in the world" MIG-29s registered in an air to air combat ? It sure should have a praisable record to show if not awesome. Afterall, it has been in service for over 2 decades.

As for as the JF-17s:

The most potent aircraft in so many numbers at such a low cost for the first time in PAF. Specially when it comes with ToT, freedom to upgrade and modify as PAF pleases. Not to mention nothing comparable in kind was being offerred. Sure, it is worth it. The JF-17 is better then the current F-16s PAF has when compared overall. The exact details will be known only when the second block of JF-17s start entering into service.

Untill then you can only question its worthiness on the same line of assumtion such as: Will RD-93 engine make it to PAF's JF-17 ? :

 

[crobato]

That F-16 is an F-16A, and these versions, with the lower wing loading and weight, has the fastest turn rates of any F-16. For the JF-17 to turn rate only slightly lower behind an F-16A is a major complement, because that puts the JF-17 on the same league with any other fighter that can't turn as fast as an F-16A.

 

[SABRE]

Guys be careful. This thread must not turn into F-16 v/s JF-17 v/s MiG-29 mess or it would have to be closed for a certain period of time.

 

[Aliph Ahmed]

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A very impressive and a colorfull flying display of 4 JF-17s on 23rd of March 2008.

Indeed, a very proud day for Pakistan.

 

[old faithful]

mmmm...very smokey, big disadvantage for WVR combat. PAF better find a good long range radar for this fighter, or an engine with less signature.

 

[bilalmunir919]

I have seen them live both on 20 and 23rd March.Smoke starts coming out just seconds before they go into bomburst formation.I think that is deliberate.

 

[old faithful]

I have seen them live both on 20 and 23rd March.Smoke starts coming out just seconds before they go into bomburst formation.I think that is deliberate.

Could be the engine smokes up when the pilot accelerates.....feeding more fuel into the motor....the engine perhaps can not burn the fuel as fast as it feeds it, createing smoke when the throttle is opened up. good pics though, it looks a good fighter.

 

[Atilla [TR]]

I just saw a picture of the JF-17 interesting plane it actually looks like a copy of the F-16 to me.

 

[mysterious]

I just saw a picture of the JF-17 interesting plane it actually looks like a copy of the F-16 to me.

That is the disservice one post like that can do to almost 70 pages of discussion.

 

[AegisFC]

I just saw a picture of the JF-17 interesting plane it actually looks like a copy of the F-16 to me.

Please avoid unnecessary one liners, this post really adds nothing to the thread, if you have a valid statement or question please ask but that post does neither.

 

[Atilla [TR]]

Please avoid unnecessary one liners, this post really adds nothing to the thread, if you have a valid statement or question please ask but that post does neither.

I was curious as weather the nation that built this airplane (china & pakistan) had purposely copied the F-16, basically because they could not get the F-16 them selves, noting that Pakistan does have the F-16 and it could be a one off copy.

 

[Aliph Ahmed]

Could be the engine smokes up when the pilot accelerates.....feeding more fuel into the motor....the engine perhaps can not burn the fuel as fast as it feeds it, createing smoke when the throttle is opened up. good pics though, it looks a good fighter.

I think that the smoke is intentional. As you may like to recall or re veiw seeing other pictures on page 69 post number 1025 where the smoke signature is a lot less and same manouvre.