JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 / Super-7 Discussions

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suleman

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Re: Upgrades in Jf-17

few days back i meet a senior PAF official,he is at Kamra and is in Admin of main upgrade factory of Paf.He told that we made jf17 in china to aquire the basic technology otherwise china's quality is not good in fighters at all.They dont wana buy J-10 etc unless they have no other option.He said that future main fighter for PAF is JF-17.PAF has plans to make these aircraft in china for two reasons 1)Low cost 2)To aquire basic technology.
Now PAF is planning to make this fighter at low cost and then increase its quality and upgrade them by adding westren technologies too and by improveing each and every thing.So dont worry this JF-17 is just the rough copy PAF will give it some finishing and quality.They have funds to do it too.
 
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Oqaab

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corsair7772 said:
One thing abt the LCA:
If its such a good aircraft y a decade 2 develope it?
If such a good aircraft y the same speed, weapons stores and all that?
If such a good aircraft need all that almunium and titanium when and still the same speed and G limit as the FC-1 which uses minimum?
If such a cool aircraft y still but SU-30s and Mirages when it has 75% of the capabilities the F-22 has?
IF SUCH A GOOD AIRCRAFT Y BUY ALL THOSE AIRCRAFT U CLAIM ITS IN THE SAME CLASS IN???
BTW if ur gonna tell me 2 visit FAS which ive been usin 4 2 years im gonna teach u elementary:
Go read Janes all the worlds aircraft.
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U can answer all of these questions urself if u use common sence.

Anyways here are the answers (but I m not Indian).

1. The project of Rafale took 32 years. Also JF-17's project was started in 1990 and the test flight took place in 2003. So Jf-17s project took 13 years to complete.

2. Regarding speed and store stations, it is just replacing Mig-21s and Mig-23s. So it is a good REPLACEMENT. :D

3. LCA uses F-404 engine which generates 18,000 lbs of thrust but the composite materials over its surface made its speed more then JF-17.

4. Who said that LCA has 75% capabilities of F-22 ??? Su-30MKI might be that much capable but not the LCA.

5. They claim that LCA is as capable as their Mirage 2000H and they are purchasing Mirage 2000-5 which is more superior.

:)
 
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corsair7772

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Verified Defense Pro
I still dont get the part abt the last 2:

The "indians" claim its got 75% of the stuff F-22 has.

The Indians say that the LCA is in the same class as Euro Fighter and Rafale so y buy the Mirages and Su-30s which r in the same class?

This all shows that the LCA is made of Propoganda and nuthin much.
 
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Londo Molari

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Re: Upgrades in Jf-17

Pakistan should get as much Chinese technology as it can... don't they know most western countries that are under U.S. pressure would deny Pakistan ANY technology that would help them? So getting western upgrades is gonna be as hard as getting F-16s. We should just forget about those selfish sources (Except France), and concentrate on what we can depened on.
 
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yutong chen

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Eurofighter Typhoon have the most advanced radar and it have voice activated command. Its more manuverable. F-22 only have a large payload. F-22 is too expensive to put into large quatities.
 
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umair

Peace Enforcer
Re: FC-1 Super 7

Er! Oqaab where'd u get the info that the Rafale took 32 years to develop.
Accordin to the Encycloppedia Of Modern Warplanes & Jane's All The World's Aircraft circa 2000 , the Rafale project was initiated by Dassault in early 1983.Work on the Rafale Tech demonstrater started in March 1984 & it was rolled out on 14 December 1985.The Rafale A( first prototype) was flown on4 July 1986 with the final twin seat(B) ,naval variant & single seat (A)prototypes flying in Feburary 1993(B), December 1991(C) & May 1991(A).
P.S interesting info the first Rafale prototypes were powered by two G.E F404-400 afterburning turbofans. ;)
 
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Oqaab

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corsair7772 said:
I still dont get the part abt the last 2:

The "indians" claim its got 75% of the stuff F-22 has.

The Indians say that the LCA is in the same class as Euro Fighter and Rafale so y buy the Mirages and Su-30s which r in the same class?
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Well, they are claiming this because of the MCA project.

And yes, I have also heard this from indians on other forums that manuverbility of LCA matches Rafale, Eurofighter and J-10, but, unfortunatly they dont know J-10, Rafale and Eurofighter uses movable canards for manuverability. :D
 
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Timmy

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Ive been reading this conversation for some time and i would just like to say that we chinese are proud of our friendship with Pakistan. The fact of the matter is that FC-1 is a reality, you cheap indians just cannot digest the fact that FC-1 took to the skies with flying colours. If you guys still have any doubts then why dont you take a look at the video clip of it. Go to google and type JF-17 video clip. I just saw it my self and was greatly impressed by its performance, despite being a first test flight. Regarding your LCA,i dont know what the hell you all are talking about, LCA received assistance from US and Israel. (LCA has an American Engine Mind You). Despite all that, the project is in dooldrums. Only an illiterate person can say that FC-1 is the same as Mig-21 or superior to LCA!!!
 
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Timmy

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LCA 75% capable as F-22,thats a laugh. I totally agree with Oqaab that why buy Mirage-2000's and SU-30s. The way the Arjun tank project has failed after 20 long years, the LCA is destined to fail too.
 
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Timmy

New Member
how ru,so have you been involved actively in the JF-17 discussions? have you seen the JF-17 test flight!
 
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Red aRRow

Forum Bouncer
Re: FC-1 Super 7

Hello to you too. By the way any news about the FC-1 / JF-17???? like what's the latest and stuff.
 
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Timmy

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well its gona have another test flight in another few months. let me put it this way, that Pakistan has made a car uptil the standard of Honda/Corolla (F-16A/F-18A early models) but not the BMV or Mercaedez (F-15/Eurofighter/...etc)
 
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The Watcher

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Looks like timmy is new on here. Timmy, we do not post links to forums that support extremism and filth of secularism. Please edit your replies or a moderator will. ;)
 
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Timmy

New Member
my dear friend, ive been here for a while, regarding ur extremism and secularism, i just gave a response from the previous 3 pages,if u hav eyes plz read the comments from those and then talk about filth and extremism.
 
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WebDev

New Member
Timmy, welcome to DefenceTalk.com. Please don't take watcher's comment harshly. What he meant was that the links you posted, that website's forum has extreme love for extremism and secularism and we do not support any type of extremism on this website.

If you want to download a video of the flights and other stuff, please email or send webmaster a PM and he will provide you with a link. We had to take down the video page because of bandwidth issues which is being addressed as I write this reply.

If you have another site which you may want to use to show us the video, that will be great.

Thanks for understanding. :)
 
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Timmy

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Hello there, "that website's forum has extreme love for extremism and secularism and we do not support any type of extremism on this website". was it something else i said,i understood what he meant but what extremism are my two friends referring to,im not supporting extremismor or rubbish that Watcher is supporting,all i said was that i'd been reading the last three pages which have been filled with nonense against PAK, just gave a polite and firm reply to those.
 
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