JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 / Super-7 Discussions

[AnonymousDoe]

What really matters is the people and their leader, not the technology. A good example would be the revolutionary war. America was poorly equiped and poorly trained. But George Washington still defeated the well trained, well equiped British soldiers.

 

[AnonymousDoe]

Super 7 sucks, the future of PLAAF is J-10. But for Pakistan and India, its the best they can afford due to their engineers and their economy. I would like to see a Super 7 shooting down a Eurofighter Typhoon.

 

[WebDev]

AnonymousDoe, easy on the tough talk. In one sentence you are claiming Super 7 sucks and in the other you say you would like to see super7 shooting down Eurofighter?

Also, please explain and give details on why do you think Super 7 is not a good plane? Why does it suck? What DO YOU know about it? Compare it to other fighters in its class. Build a strong argument for your claims.

PS: Super7 is now known as JF-17/FC-1.

Thank You.

 

[Oqaab]

Super 7 sucks, the future of PLAAF is J-10. But for Pakistan and India, its the best they can afford due to their engineers and their economy. I would like to see a Super 7 shooting down a Eurofighter Typhoon.

China has ordered 200 Fc-1s for PLAAF. Also, at the time when J-10 is not available in the market, China will try to export Fc-1s as much as possible.

Another thing, to shoot a Eurofighter with JF-17, it is necessary that ur JF-17 should have stealth technology, long range radar and BVR missiles like R-27 or AIM-54 Phoenix.

 

[AnonymousDoe]

<China has ordered 200 Fc-1s for PLAAF. Also, at the time when J-10 is not available in the market, China will try to export Fc-1s as much as possible.>

Just so you know, 10 units of J-10s have already been delivered to the PLAAF

 

[Londo Molari]

Re: FC-1 Super 7

Ignore www.fas.org... due to ZERO funding, they havent updated in 3 years... back then there wasnt even pictures of what it looks like today.


As for where the FC-1 stands, I'd say its as capable as an F-16A with MLU. It will definitely help the Pakistani Air Force, and will probably be used by the Chinese to phase out their old F-6s and F-7s.

 

[Oqaab]

Just so you know, 10 units of J-10s have already been delivered to the PLAAF

From the word "market" I meant EXPORT MARKET.

 

[AnonymousDoe]

Oqaab,
Maybe your should make your statements more clear, before you publish it.

 

[Oqaab]

Oqaab,
Maybe your should make your statements more clear, before you publish it.

Yes I think I should, coz ppl like u dont even use their heads.

 

[umair]

Oqaab,
Maybe your should make your statements more clear, before you publish it.

Yes I think I should, coz ppl like u dont even use their heads.

Nice retort Oqaab!

 

[corsair7772]

One thing abt the LCA:
If its such a good aircraft y a decade 2 develope it?
If such a good aircraft y the same speed, weapons stores and all that?
If such a good aircraft need all that almunium and titanium when and still the same speed and G limit as the FC-1 which uses minimum?
If such a cool aircraft y still but SU-30s and Mirages when it has 75% of the capabilities the F-22 has?
IF SUCH A GOOD AIRCRAFT Y BUY ALL THOSE AIRCRAFT U CLAIM ITS IN THE SAME CLASS IN???
BTW if ur gonna tell me 2 visit FAS which ive been usin 4 2 years im gonna teach u elementary:
Go read Janes all the worlds aircraft.

 

[corsair7772]

<China has ordered 200 Fc-1s for PLAAF. Also, at the time when J-10 is not available in the market, China will try to export Fc-1s as much as possible.>

Just so you know, 10 units of J-10s have already been delivered to the PLAAF

In case u never heard the word: Pre-Production Batch :roll

 

[corsair7772]

The guns ok, it mite be old but its excellent and has a great punch if not firing rate. All we need is more hardpoints.

 

[Oqaab]

The guns ok, it mite be old but its excellent and has a great punch if not firing rate. All we need is more hardpoints.

Oh yaar, the JF-17 is more capable then our F-16s. Do u really think it should carry mig-19 or mig-21 guns. Fire Rate is a very important factor. One of the PAF F-16s shot down a russian aircraft by its Vulcan cannon, and vulcan has a fire rate of 100 rounds/sec.

 

[Londo Molari]

Re: Upgrades in Jf-17

I don't think they will be upgrading the engines of the JF-17.

The canon isn't that important, and it can easily be replaced.

The upgrades I imagine will occur in the future are:

- conformal fuel tanks, for extended range
- more hardpoints, or hardpoint dividers
- upgrades to avionics, radar and cockpit
- new electronic warfair suite

 

[corsair7772]

If were talkin abt increasing hard points...WHERE???

 

[umair]

Re: Upgrades in Jf-17

I don't think they will be upgrading the engines of the JF-17.

Buddy! the powerplant has to be replaced cause of technical & political implications.Technical reasons have been mentioned above.Political being it's a Russian engine & India can at any time pressurise Ivan into stopping the supply.In my opinion the Snecma M53 P2 (used in mirage 2000) would be the best substitute.

 

[yutong chen]

The best fighter is the Eurofighter Typhoon, even better than the F-22 Raptor and Su-37. So, there is no need to argue over if FC-1 sucks or not.

 

[Londo Molari]

Re: FC-1 Super 7

Atleast 50 units of J-10s have been delivered to PLAAF.

China has NOT YET ordered any FC-1s, although there is a strong possibility.

The Eurofighter is better than the SU-37, but the F-22 is the BEST fighter aircraft in the world today.

 

[Londo Molari]

Re: Upgrades in Jf-17

Its not that easy to just find another engine... it has to fit into the aircraft's airframe, as well as be compatible with the aircraft's interfaces.

I think the way the JF-17 is designed, only Chinese and Russian engines would work. And there is NO POLITICAL problem with the current Russian engine. TRUST me. The Chinese knew long ago that India would try to block the export of JF-17s with RD-33 to Pakistan.

The Chinese were well aware with this, and TOLD the Russians that the RD-33 WILL go to Pakistan, or the Chinese simply won't buy the engines from Russia. Russia, in desperate need of money agreed. The RD-33 is gonna be used, whether India likes it or not. China KNOWS this. There is a strong chance that the JF-17 will be used ONLY by the PAF in the world, and without an engine, all the money invested in the project by China would be lost. So why would they invest so much time and money into a project that would never be used? They have it covered.

And in case of some wierd reason the Russian engine fails, the Chinese HAVE reverse engineered it, and have their own versino for use.

The thrust to weight ratio of 0.95 to 1 isnt that impressive, but then again the Tornado, F-18 and even Gripen don't have a 1:1 ratio. So its not that bad.