Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force Thread

ngatimozart

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SK, Japan, and of course China, all have viable naval construction programs that can survive on domestic needs, also helps that all three have strong commercial ship building albeit Japan not as much these days but the people skills remain strong for all. If the EU was really united it should be possible for the EU to match given the number to great yards in France, Italy, Spain, and Germany but workshare arguments are an obstacle.
Don't forget the Indians as well. They do have ongoing programs.
 

Sandhi Yudha

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Can we affirm that, of the western blocc, outside the USN the JMSDF is the only one that has the size to self maintain(avoiding valleys of death) its fleet without the need for exports? Outside cases like Sweden with only littoral ships.
Finland is in this case similar with Sweden, but Sweden did export some patrolboats to Malaysia, and they exported also some submarines.

Denmark and Norway both build larger warships, and both are not very known for exporting them. With exception of Odense's Iver Huitfeldt design.
 

swerve

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Cross-decking of USMC aircraft onto Kaga shouldn't be made more difficult by fitting a ski-jump. USMC Harrier pilots are universally reported to have loved it, & USMC F-35B pilots seem to have no problems with QE's ski-jump. And RN pilots have never been reported to have had difficulty operating off the flat-decked but bigger USN ships.

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I think there's also been cross-decking with Italy & Spain.
 
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Volkodav

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I believe it's a problem in translation. I will happily stand corrected, as I can't actually read Japanese, but apparently the Japanese use of the word translated as "Destroyer" is more akin to "escort ship". That means it is actually a Helicopter escort ship, not a helicopter destroyer.
 

ngatimozart

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I believe it's a problem in translation. I will happily stand corrected, as I can't actually read Japanese, but apparently the Japanese use of the word translated as "Destroyer" is more akin to "escort ship". That means it is actually a Helicopter escort ship, not a helicopter destroyer.
Possibly so. But it no longer carries just helicopters, so that would make it a CVL, wouldn't it?
 

ngatimozart

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I believe it was something along the lines of ASW Escort, Air Defence Escort, so this would be an aircraft carrying escort or escort carrier.
Well using your Air Defence Escort definition, it could be argued that the USN CVNs, French CVN and UK CVs are Air Defence Escorts. Yes, I know it's all semantics. Just wish that there are FVEY navy / NATO standardised ship nomenclature definitions.
 

Sandhi Yudha

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Since the existence of the JMSDF, it was a strict passive defence force, mainly operating in and around Japan.
But with this acquisition it is clear that Japan takes defence more serious than ever, with enough TTWCS to install in all current AEGIS-equipped guided missile destroyers and some future ones.

The Government of Japan has requested to buy up to two hundred (200) Tomahawk Block IV All Up Rounds (AURs) (RGM-109E); up to two hundred (200) Tomahawk Block V AURs (RGM-109E); and fourteen (14) Tactical Tomahawk Weapon Control Systems (TTWCS). The estimated total cost is $2,35 billion.
 
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John Fedup

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This is a better link than the article in post 563. The current Mogami build will finish with 12 ships by 2027 and a new improved frigate will start shortly thereafter. These 12 ships will be completed in 2036 for a total of 24 new frigates. The original Mogami build was to be 22 ships so this new plan results in 2 extra frigates.
Japan's Futuristic Mogami Frigates: Everything You Need To Know (thedrive.com)
 

Salinger

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The Demise of the Maritime Self-Defense Force's US-2 Becoming a Reality
On November 6, 2023, Reuters reported that the US-2 rescue amphibians operated by the Maritime Self-Defense Force are facing the end of production.
Reuters reported that, according to ShinMaywa Industries officials, the company has offered the Ministry of Defense 30 billion yen as the unit price for the acquisition of US-2 for FY2024 and 70 billion yen for FY2025. The main reasons for such a large increase in the price are said to be "the weak yen and the high cost of components.
 

ngatimozart

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The Demise of the Maritime Self-Defense Force's US-2 Becoming a Reality
On November 6, 2023, Reuters reported that the US-2 rescue amphibians operated by the Maritime Self-Defense Force are facing the end of production.
Reuters reported that, according to ShinMaywa Industries officials, the company has offered the Ministry of Defense 30 billion yen as the unit price for the acquisition of US-2 for FY2024 and 70 billion yen for FY2025. The main reasons for such a large increase in the price are said to be "the weak yen and the high cost of components.
Jeez that's US$200 million and US$470 million respectively. I presume that's the flyaway cost.
 

Salinger

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12 new FFM vessels will be procured over 5 years starting in 2024.
A total of 12 new FFMs, which are an improved version of the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force's Mogami-class destroyer FFM, are planned to be procured in just five years from 2024 (Reiwa 6) to 2028 (Reiwa 10). It turned out to be. The Defense Equipment Agency confirmed this to the author on November 2nd.
 

John Fedup

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Funding has been secured for two ASEV ships. The budget is 2.59 billion dollars and the ships will be delivered by 2028. They should be the first in the water with SPY7 radars from LM although the new Spanish frigate is a contender. Canada’s first SPY7 CSC, probably 2031. The ASEV ships are an alternative to Japan’s cancelled ashore missile defence project.

 

Ananda

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Another series of IJN carriers CG rendering. This time is Shokaku and Zuikaku. No doubt the pair make the best IJN carriers in the war. In sense their war reputation can be put in more or less similar scale as USN WW2 carriers of Enterprise and Saratoga.

Personally I do hope JMSDF will use their namesake for their next carriers class.
 

ASSAIL

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I couldn’t pass this by, it gives a real perspective re “armour” defences in naval ships of the first half of the 20th century
This 26” thick armour has been breached by a 16* shell!
 
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