Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force Thread

swerve

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Yeh, the Izumos are Searam. So could be for those. I thought that those were already fitted with previous ordered stuff. But maybe not, and maybe the want to slowly increase their reload stockpile. With the Izumos, they may have reloads on ship like the Americans do.
The Mogamis, too. Look at pictures. A single SeaRam on top of the hangar, at the moment, though more weapons will be fitted later.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/海上自衛隊_護衛艦もがみ_FFM-1.3.jpg
 

Sandhi Yudha

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Japan first ordered the JSM in 2018 and has since placed several follow-on contracts with KONGSBERG, and this is the fourth follow-on procurement, which indicates that Japan is a satisfied customer.

This latest contract is valued at around $172,7 million.

 

koxinga

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Sugashima-class minesweeper JS Ukushima (MSC-686) caught fire off Fukuoka (10 Nov) apparently capsized.


Date time fotage shows she was listing to the starboard side


Fire appears to have raged out of control during the night.

 

koxinga

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Hope everybody got out OK
One missing, search is on-going. He was reported missing early on in the incident, and was working in the engine room.

 

Sandhi Yudha

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The Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force plans to acquire 23 MQ-9B SeaGuardians from General Atomics to fulfil its requirement of long-endurance unmanned aerial vehicles for intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance. That means less flighthours a year for the Lockheed P-3 and Kawasaki P-1, so they can keep them longer in the fleet.

 

spoz

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Interesting that it appears to have 3 SPG-62s. I would have thought that they would be planning for active missiles with initial target indication from the APAR, but apparently not so; or at least, not only those.
 

76mmGuns

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I still dont understand why the USN doesn't just build Japanese cruisers. They had a chance with the Maya class and now the Japanese have this. It uses mostly US hardware so besides language, it should be easy to build (relatively). They could even do what Australia might with the Mogami class frigates and build a couple in Japan first and then build the rest in the US, which should be around 20.
 

John Fedup

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I still dont understand why the USN doesn't just build Japanese cruisers. They had a chance with the Maya class and now the Japanese have this. It uses mostly US hardware so besides language, it should be easy to build (relatively). They could even do what Australia might with the Mogami class frigates and build a couple in Japan first and then build the rest in the US, which should be around 20.
US law requires domestic builds. WRT design, there is a NIH bias.
 

Musashi_kenshin

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FFM-7 has had its Mk41 VLS fitted. Originally they were to be fitted before commissioning from FFM-9 onwards, with the previous ships to get them after commissioning. Now it looks like FFM-7 and FFM-8 are being fitted with the VLS before going into service.
 

downunderblue

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US law requires domestic builds.
I'd suggest this may be under review. I wouldn't say repealing the law would be easy, but whatever he says goes. Aparently his direction to the new SECNAV (referenced within his SASC hearing) was simple- 'have you fixed it yet'?

 

John Fedup

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I'd suggest this may be under review. I wouldn't say repealing the law would be easy, but whatever he says goes. Aparently his direction to the new SECNAV (referenced within his SASC hearing) was simple- 'have you fixed it yet'?

Very hard to square such a decision with bringing jobs back to America! Might work for support ships (and ice breakers) but shooting ships, probably not.
 

koxinga

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Very hard to square such a decision with bringing jobs back to America! Might work for support ships (and ice breakers) but shooting ships, probably not.
Trump's statements is more inline with what HHI / Hanwha is doing, by investing in US naval shipbuilding and possibly building those foreign ships in the US rather than their home countries.

Whether that makes sense is questionable.

Japanese / Korean shipbuilders (and Chinese as well) follow the same formula. High degrees of vertical integration with their supply chain and competitive labour cost with economic of scales from a mix of commercial / government contracts. It is the narrative of US's attempts to replicate / move back entire supply chains from Asia.
 
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John Fedup

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Trump's statements is more inline with what HHI / Hanwha is doing, by investing in US naval shipbuilding and possibly building those foreign ships in the US rather than their home countries.

Whether that makes sense is questionable.

Japanese / Korean shipbuilders (and Chinese as well) follow the same formula. High degrees of vertical integration with their supply chain and competitive labour cost with economic of scales from a mix of commercial / government contracts. It is the narrative of US's attempts to replicate / move back entire supply chains from Asia.
Where is the skilled labour going to come from? Supply chain delays boil down to components not arriving on time because they can’t be manufactured quickly enough.
 

Musashi_kenshin

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Where is the skilled labour going to come from? Supply chain delays boil down to components not arriving on time because they can’t be manufactured quickly enough.
Infrastructure is equally important - maybe more so.

Japan can chuck out a conventionally-powered submarine in four years, a frigate or destroyer in three. I would be surprised if they do that by throwing people at the problem.

Contrast with the Royal Navy building the Type 26. The first few weren't even entirely built (prior to launch) under cover. Even accounting for a slow-down due to space out payments, it shouldn't be taking eight to nine years to build even a large frigate.
 
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