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Just a video on K-9 and it's export derivatives. Put it in this thread as this 155mm ROK Self Propelled gun increasingly become international.
In Norway, the K2 "won" the technical evaluation and was the preferred solution by most in the army. It was technically somewhat superior, and cheaper. However both met the minimal technical requirements, and for political reasons the Leo was chosen.Why didnt the K2 sold a single unit outside of Poland?
Why basically every country decided to buy from KNDS or GD?
Pzh 2000, Caesar and M109G Fire kjemper om å blir Norges nye artilleri - Tu.noWhat other guns were evaluated? Pzh2000? Archer?
OpinionI want to discuss the "K2 phenomenon".
The south korean "K2" MBT was basically unknown in the west and reached peak popularity after Poland announced they wanted to procure a total of 1000 ( 820 + 180 ) Black Panthers.
Journalists, analists, and many other predicted that " The K2 will be the successor of the Leopard 2 in many countries, especially in Europe".
Basically, a lot of people predicted the "death" of the Leo2 and an avalanche of orders for the korean tank.
Tech, price, delivery times, the possibility of g2g deals with south korea... The K2 had really the opportunity of booming in the European market.
But...Was it actually a flop?
These are the winners of European MBT procurement deals in the last 24 months:
Poland: M1 Abrams , K2 Black Panther
Germany: Leopard 2
Norway: Leopard 2
Czech Republic: Leopard 2
Hungary: Leopard 2
Slovakia: Leopard 2
Italy: Leopard 2
Romania: M1 Abrams
Leopard 2 was selected by 6/8 countries, M1 Abrams by 2/8 countries while K2 only by 1/8 ( Poland ) even if it participated in evaluating in Norway and was proposed to Romania, Slovakia and Czech Republic.
Hungarian Leopard 2s were ordere before the war but deliveries are still ongoing and started only in 2021.
Why didnt the K2 sold a single unit outside of Poland?
Why basically every country decided to buy from KNDS or GD?
I think it’s a bit more complicated than that in areas and much more simple in others.Your views are basically alligned with mine... K2 is a good product but european countries have chosen politically ( which is a really good thing IMHO ) and consequently the Leopard was selected 75% of the times.
This is, however, a huge blow to the K2.
The polish deal is surely extremely important and the numbers, even if they are cut by half, are still huge. By did Poland really have any other choice?
I'll explain myself:
Poland needed a brand-new tank, they are already buying used M1 abrams ( in various versions ) from the US but they needed local production.
So the choice was really between 3 options: the Leopard 2, the K2 and to develop a new tank.
Poland is one of the most eurosceptic and nationalist country in the EU. The current government is engaged in a political war against the rest of the Union and the EU institutions, because as you know after the pandemics the EU started a fast and unheard-of integration process that the poles are not willing to follow.
The Leopard 2, being german, was clearly not a possible choice for the current nationalist-polish government.
Poland however dont have a big enough economy to sustain the development of a new MBT... their GDP is only the 6th of the EU and just 1/8 of the german one.
So here goes also the third choice... developing a new MBT was simply impossible.
The K2, as you see... really had no competitors.
Every other country in europe preferred to buy a european-made tank or to lease US tanks, but no one selected the K2 despite the korean tank being offered to basically every army.
I've read a couple of articles and actually the title is more than clickbait.Romania is apparently still up for grabs.
The Abrams - and K2 - procurement in Poland is financed primarily through massive loans from the respective governments (in South Korea covering 70% of the procurement volume!). The rest is partially financed through the Armed Forces Support Fund, an instrument created by PiS to remove parliamentary oversight over expenditures - which took out loans from banks primarily in the USA.The decision to get M-1s was probably driven by a combination of political and operational factors.
I suspect regular exposure to the U.S. 2nd Cav Rgt helped in their vehicle choice.The Government of the Republic of Bulgaria has requested to buy one hundred eighty-three (183) Stryker Family of Vehicles. The proposed sale would consist of: ninety (90) XM1296 Infantry Carrier Vehicles – Dragoon (ICVD); seventeen (17) M1126 Infantry Carrier Vehicles (ICV); nine (9) M1132 Engineer Squad Vehicles (ESV); thirty-three (33) M1130 Command Vehicles (CV); twenty-four (24) M1133 Medical Evacuation Vehicles (MEV); ten (10) M1135 Nuclear, Biological, Chemical Reconnaissance Vehicles (NBCRV); five (5) Heavy Expanded Mobility Tactical Truck (HEMTT) Light Equipment Transports (LET); five (5) Modular Catastrophic Recovery Systems (MCRS); two (2) M1120A4 HEMTT Load Handling Systems; five (5) M984A4 Wrecker HEMTTs; and one hundred seven (107) M240 Coaxial 7.62mm machine guns. Also included is support service equipment; M-153A4 Common Remote Operated Weapons Stations (CROWS); Forward Repair Systems (FRS); M2A1 .50 caliber machine guns; M6 smoke grenade launchers and associated spares; Harris radios; AN/VAS-5 Driver’s Vision Enhancer (DVE); DVE-Wide; communications equipment; RS6 (LW30) Remote Weapon Systems; TACFLIR 280 HDEP systems; Ranger R20SS Radar; ROVER6Si transceivers; spare parts; Basic Issue Items (BII), Components of End Items (COEI), Additional Authorized List (AAL); Special Tools and Test Equipment (STTE); technical manuals; OCONUS Deprocessing Service; OCONUS contractor provided training and Field Service Representatives (FSR); component assembly in-country; and other related elements of logistics and program support. The estimated total cost is $1.5 billion.
Not the countries, but instead a possible joint venture of companies from those countries.Italy, Germany, Spain, Sweden and Belgium ( plus other smaller EU-states ) are going to present an offer to the EU-Commission to get funds from the 2023 EDF-call to start the development of the new Tank family.
KNDS is simply a holding company (based in the Netherlands) that is co-owned equally by the former shareholders of Wegmann & Co GmbH KG and Giat Industries (i.e. 50% the Bode family and 50% the French state), and that itself owns both KMW and Nexter as separate business entities. Additionally the French state holds a single "golden share" of Nexter, i.e. at 50%+1 retains a controlling share of it.Also... France doesn't really own a national ground-focused industry anymore.
Nexter was finally absorbed by the new KNDS earlier this year...