Indonesian Aero News

[Ananda]

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/indonesia-doubles-orders-chinese-j10c

The talk of J-10 is continue increasing. After Allan Warnes tweet in his X, Military Watch also talking on Indonesia Defense Minister doubling the order.

The talk on this related to Indonesia stay back from Su-35 also increasing. Personally I'm still incline to believe it will not be CE version but B upgrade to CE version (call it BCE). My reasoning:

• B is right now in storage situation (at least that's what the rumours in Chinese media), and China actively offer them to export. Thus it is readily available.
• AL-31 is big factor, it is reported it will be operate from 2 Sulawesi AB where the infrastructure to support AL-31 already set up in Makasar for existing Flankers.
• B and C basically sharing similarn airframe, thus it is very doable to upgrade B current sensors to C/CE standard.

If the question why the need of J-10, is again related why the need of Flankers. All related to 'political' idea to diversifies defense assets toward different geopolitical spectrum (well that the official stands, unoffcially I already 'speculate' at post #3,669).

 

[koxinga]

Maybe the J-10 deal can help to satisfy the non-Western part of the geopolitical equation.

Geopolitically speaking, Russia is less and less powerful and relevant on the economic front and even military front, they are falling behind. Politically, there is also way too much baggage to get too involved with Russia now. If we are forward looking to 2030s/2040s, China is ascendant, while Russia will continue to descent. It also open the door for the Chinese 5th gen like J-35 in the future.

 

[Ananda]

Maybe the J-10 deal can help to satisfy the non-Western part of the geopolitical equation.

Definetely it will create some satisfaction in some part of local political factions that China & Russia defense brokerage coming from. Also It will give China some assurance that Indonesia defense build up is not aim entirely to them.

Politically, there is also way too much baggage to get too involved with Russia now.

Except for Prabowo 's camp getting involve with Russia is aim more for Energy Security, wherther Hydrocarbon or Nuclear ones.

 

[Ananda]

After decades only producing 70mm FFAR rockets, DI and it's local partner developing 70mm WAFAR (Wrap Around Fin Aerial Rocket). This make possible to make it more compact launcher. This is first step before making it laser guided rocket for SHORAD defense with one of focus against drones swarm.



Also LIG Nex 1 visit location that will be used by them and DI to build guidance systems and other missile sensor:



DI also put slide on BUMN (Indonesia SOE) meeting, one potential Helicopter that going to have project with them:


Guess the US project that being stagnant and droo is F-15EX.

Photos from Yudi S and Keris FB.

 

[Ananda]

circulating on enthusiast online forum already, picture of TNI-AU CH-4B Male Drones. Super Tucano in back ground, perhaps it is already in Malang AB.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

That S-70M description of product is probably directly taken from Sikorsky's sales brochure.

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circulating on enthusiast online forum already, picture of TNI-AU CH-4B Male Drones. Super Tucano in back ground, perhaps it is already in Malang AB.

I thought the Pesawat Nirawak Pria CH-4B were already delivered years ago, 6 pcs right? Weren't they stationed at Pontianak or Natuna?

 

[ComradeVortex]

thought the Pesawat Nirawak Pria CH-4B were already delivered years ago, 6 pcs right? Weren't they stationed at Pontianak or Natuna?

Funnily enough, this was posted today.

JATOSINT (@Jatosint) on X

Rare photos of Indonesian Air Force #TNIAU CH-4 UCAV flying low to/from Natuna Island @ChannelNewsAsia Insight (published on YT in April 2025) https://t.co/IaaqdCvZ7J

x.com

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

Funnily enough, this was posted today.

JATOSINT (@Jatosint) on X

Rare photos of Indonesian Air Force #TNIAU CH-4 UCAV flying low to/from Natuna Island @ChannelNewsAsia Insight (published on YT in April 2025) https://t.co/IaaqdCvZ7J

x.com

Ah yes, screenshots from "CNA Insight (published on YT in April 2025)".

It is actually funny that we bought those UAVs from china, and then we use them to guard North Natuna Sea.

 

[Ananda]

actually funny that we bought those UAVs from china, and then we use them to guard North Natuna Sea.

They are being move away from Natuna when enough Anka and Bayraktar already enter services.



This is the Gulf financing back up to get more Turkiye assets.

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This sole AW-101 due become more active recently. It's the sign more AW will come ?

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

They are being move away from Natuna when enough Anka and Bayraktar already enter services.

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This is the Gulf financing back up to get more Turkiye assets.

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This sole AW-101 due become more active recently. It's the sign more AW will come ?

Well, at least this is the sign that they know the press has forgotten about this scandal/corruption case.

If i'm not wrong, the plan in the past was ordering at least 3 EH-101 in VIP configuration, because these helicopters were from a cancelled order from India.
2013 Indian helicopter bribery scandal - Wikipedia

The EC725 is more affordable at US$40 million per unit, has lower training, maintenance and operational costs, and it would boost local employment because many components are made by IPTN in Bandung.
(According to the article below.)
https://jakartaglobe.id/news/air-force-slammed-choice-presidential-helicopter

But hey, looking to past, it is almost sure that more EH-101s will come.

 

[Ananda]

Leonardo's M-346, Baykar's Kizilelma complete first joint autonomous flight test - Türkiye Today

Leonardo's M-346 and Baykar's Kizilelma drone completed joint autonomous formation flights in Türkiye under the K-SWARM program

www.turkiyetoday.com

Is this why the reason Indonesia clossing in the deal for both M346FA and Kizilelma ?

 

[ComradeVortex]

Final payment has been made.

 

[Ananda]

[단독] 인도네시아, KF-21 조정 분담금 최종 납부 완료

KF-21 공동개발비 분쟁 마무리…48대 구매 협상에도 긍정적 영향 전망

www.bizhankook.com

That Bizhankook article also claim the 48 contract for KF-21 still in plan. However it Will be happen in 3 batches of 16. This seems in line with the rumors that I heard from finance guys in here. 1 batch potentially follow ROKAF Blk 1 production line, while the other 2 batches will follow ROKAF Blk 2 line. All back to financing agreement.

That Final payment of much reduce obligation seems make Indonesia will not have FAL (final assembly line) for KF-21. This the facilities that being prepared (photo above) now going to produce parts for KF-21, and send it KAI.

Rumours also say, potentially this facility will also be used for assembly line for MALE UAV. This could be DI own Elang Hitam (Black Eagle) that's still in development or TAI ANKA that supposedly some will be assemble in DI.

Talking about FAL, Facebook FB pages of Yudi S claim enlarge FAL for both N219 and N212i already finish physical build. This FAL will replace existing FAL that will be use as Major assembly line.

 

[Ananda]

That Final payment of much reduce obligation seems make Indonesia will not have FAL (final assembly line) for KF-21. This the facilities that being prepared (photo above) now going to produce parts for KF-21, and send it KAI.

Kemhan: Indonesia Tidak Produksi KF-21 Bersama, tapi Langsung Beli dari Korea Selatan

Kemhan tegaskan Indonesia tidak ikut produksi KF-21 Boramae, melainkan berencana membeli langsung dari Korsel.

nasional.kompas.com

No FAL on KF/IF-21 being acknowledge by MinDef. Thus now only buy final products but part of supply chain.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

Kemhan: Indonesia Tidak Produksi KF-21 Bersama, tapi Langsung Beli dari Korea Selatan

Kemhan tegaskan Indonesia tidak ikut produksi KF-21 Boramae, melainkan berencana membeli langsung dari Korsel.

nasional.kompas.com

No FAL on KF/IF-21 being acknowledge by MinDef. Thus now only buy final products but part of supply chain.

Becoming supplier of KF-21 parts isn't bad at all. Besides that, suddenly having full assembly lines for N219, NC212, CN235 and KF-21 would be maybe too much for IPTN.

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[단독] 인도네시아, KF-21 조정 분담금 최종 납부 완료

KF-21 공동개발비 분쟁 마무리…48대 구매 협상에도 긍정적 영향 전망

www.bizhankook.com

That Bizhankook article also claim the 48 contract for KF-21 still in plan. However it Will be happen in 3 batches of 16. This seems in line with the rumors that I heard from finance guys in here. 1 batch potentially follow ROKAF Blk 1 production line, while the other 2 batches will follow ROKAF Blk 2 line. All back to financing agreement.

That Final payment of much reduce obligation seems make Indonesia will not have FAL (final assembly line) for KF-21. This the facilities that being prepared (photo above) now going to produce parts for KF-21, and send it KAI.

Rumours also say, potentially this facility will also be used for assembly line for MALE UAV. This could be DI own Elang Hitam (Black Eagle) that's still in development or TAI ANKA that supposedly some will be assemble in DI.

Talking about FAL, Facebook FB pages of Yudi S claim enlarge FAL for both N219 and N212i already finish physical build. This FAL will replace existing FAL that will be use as Major assembly line.

At last some proof that the production of the N219 will start soon, hopefully this also means that IPTN will be able to build more than 2-3 fixed wing aeroplanes/year.

Btw, the four N219s for BAKAMLA, it's not yet a real contracted order, right?
PTDI Jual Empat Pesawat N219 ke Bakamla RI untuk Dukung Patroli Maritim Nasional - Soerakarta.id

 

[Ananda]

the four N219s for BAKAMLA, it's not yet a real contracted order, right?

I believe the firm order from government agencies are those 6 Army ones. For private sector is that 4 order from MAP the cargo and training company. At least that I see already on DI production log. Seems the production begin after this new FAL operating. The current FAL from my understanding concentrate to N212i and CN235.

 

[Ananda]

Becoming supplier of KF-21 parts isn't bad at all. Besides that, suddenly having full assembly lines for N219, NC212, CN235 and KF-21 would be maybe too much for IPTN.

한국형 전투기 KF-21 일부 부품, 인도네시아 현지 생산 추진한다-정치ㅣ한국일보

한국형 전투기 KF21이 인도네시아에 16대 수출될 예정이며 일부 기체를 인도네시아에서 현지 생산하는 방안이 추진된다. 이는 KF21의 동남아 수출 전략 거점 확보와 비용 절감, 안정적 수출 기반 마련에 기여할 전망이다. | 한국 정부는 KF-21 전투기의 첫 수출국으로 인도네시아를 선정하고 일부 부품을 인도네시아에서 생산하는 방안을 추진하고 있습니다.,인도네시아 국영 항공우주기업이 KF-21의 일부를 제작하고 국내에서 조립하는 방식이 논의되고 있으며, 3월 말 인도네시아 대통령 방한 시 수출 계약 협약이 체결될...

www.hankookilbo.com

Korean media already talk that the FAL will be at KAI facility, while DI will be parts of fuselage and wings. Will let hear from both DI and KAI on their division of labour parts. I believe it is now still negotiated as part of KF-21 order.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

Final payment has been made.

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The original plan was that Indonesia would pay 20% of the development costs, after all those negotiations, how much is it now?

 

[Ananda]

that Indonesia would pay 20% of the development costs, after all those negotiations, how much is it now?

7%, which is also determine why no FAL for IF-X. In sense Indonesia decided to procure KF-21 ROK version rather then build it is own IF-X version. Thus negate the need for seperate FAL.