I think Dassault doesn't want to spend a lot of money to develop it with no customer.
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Yes, maybe the Aéronautique Navale financially supported the development of the Falcon 2000 Albatros.
I just found these pictures on Twitter.
Hopefully in the future Malaysia and the Philippines can join for even better T-50/FA-50 photos.
https://x.com/Jatosint/status/1934502105630589066
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Indonesian Aerial Ordenance manufacturers PT. Sari Bahari shown their Guided Bomb in last IndoDefence. This is the project they are working with Indonesia explosive materials producer PT. Dahana.
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The guidance kit being design to be compatible with their bomb products in which follow both Nato and Russia dimension standard PT Sari Bahari. I don't know yet whether this product will be accepted by TNI-AU, but their other products mostly already are.
Smart Bomb Buatan Industri Lokal Ini Siap Diuji TNI AU, Bisa Ditembak dari Jarak 70 Km
PT Sari Bahari perkenalkan Smart Bomb B250ST, inovasi pertahanan terbaru untuk TNI AU di Indo Defence 2025.
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The guidance kit being design to be compatible with their bomb products in which follow both Nato and Russia dimension standard PT Sari Bahari. I don't know yet whether this product will be accepted by TNI-AU, but their other products mostly already are.
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Photo credit to Detik.Com
This the largest cargo Drone/UAV that Indonesian company try to produce. I don't find solid info yet whether this is their own design or with partner. I suspect they are working with Chinese partner.
On paper this Drone can lift cargo up to 250 Kg, and beimg envisage to be use in remote post at Papua's mountain region. The cargo can be logistics or human on strecher.
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An X account id "somePLAosint" put this time table. Seems the time frame quite legit, eventough I also saw the talk from Dasault they want to double the production to expadiete time line.
Still so far this is seems in line with prediction. I'm highlighting Indonesia Rafale schedulle, and it put 2030 as TNI-AU offcially put for all 42 Rafale delivery.
This raise question again on the need of "interim" fighters. The problem with readiness of the Flankers and increasing obsolecenses of Hawk 200 parts availabilities, as I have mentioned before in this thread make TNI-AU basically relies mostly only with F-16.
The most logical way to gain interim fighters are more F-16. However availabilities of 2nd hand F-16 in market become MinDef reason to find others to fill the gap of Hawk 200 and Flankers readiness. Thus all back to either Ex Gulf Mirage 2000 or Surplus PLAF J-10 B/C.
Rumours say about TNI-AU pilots being sent to check J-10 talk not only checking to China but also to Pakistan. Whatever the choices are seems it is not adding new type, but replacing Hawk 200/100. The type supposedly waiting till be replaced by Rafale, but seems MinDef want to expadiete the schedule.
As F-16 Ozgur, if the program turn out can not be proceed due to problem securing US permit. Then interim Fighters seems going to be use as F-16 replacement too. This is why MinDef seriously looking at J-10, as seems surplus PLAF that's available in quantities they are looking at.
As question on using Chinese fighters against potential conflict with PLAF in SCS, well that's political calculation. Will Indonesia or even most ASEAN find arrangements in SCS?
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I wonder if ordering 12-18 FA-50s to replace at least one squadron of Hawks isn't considered. Those T-50/FA-50 are normally quickly delivered after the contract is signed, and are also low in procurement and operational costs.
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FA-50 is the consideration before in replacing Hawk 200. Previous TNI-AU chief already put it in media. However then they decided to go with Rafale in 2022.
FA-50 will not be that quick to come also. TNI-AU order additional 6 TA-50 at 2021 and schedulle to be deliver by 2024. However now being schedulle by second half to end of this year. So if we order 12-18 FA-50, and with FA/TA-50 now also gain more export order, I suspect it will.take 5-6 years to come. KAI also facing supply chain problem just like other Aircraft Producers.
Problem now, we don't know how far the problem with Hawk 200 servicability. It's an orphan type at this moment only Indonesia left that operate them. Other user (Malaysia and Oman) already retiring them. We also don't know how far TNI-AU real problem with Russian Supply Chain on servicing Flankers. Some say Prabowo's meeting in Russia also try to solve that.
Either way, they (MinDef and TNI-AU) J-10 consideration I suspect because they want to consider another source of Supply chain, outside Russia and Western one. Thus all backs to Politics, Budget and Technicall issue.
FA-50 will not be that quick to come also. TNI-AU order additional 6 TA-50 at 2021 and schedulle to be deliver by 2024. However now being schedulle by second half to end of this year. So if we order 12-18 FA-50, and with FA/TA-50 now also gain more export order, I suspect it will.take 5-6 years to come. KAI also facing supply chain problem just like other Aircraft Producers.
Problem now, we don't know how far the problem with Hawk 200 servicability. It's an orphan type at this moment only Indonesia left that operate them. Other user (Malaysia and Oman) already retiring them. We also don't know how far TNI-AU real problem with Russian Supply Chain on servicing Flankers. Some say Prabowo's meeting in Russia also try to solve that.
Either way, they (MinDef and TNI-AU) J-10 consideration I suspect because they want to consider another source of Supply chain, outside Russia and Western one. Thus all backs to Politics, Budget and Technicall issue.
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Here a Twitter post showing us some EC725 Caracals in action during last week's exercise in Bangka Belitung Islands. From which i understand all these EC725s (5 pieces if i'm not wrong) were delivered in CSAR-configuration with FLIR-sensor under the nose. In 2022 at lease three EC725s were still equipped with it, but last week all of them were removed. I don't know the reason, but i expect these expensive and sensitive sensors are removed and stored to prolong their usage/extend their service life.
https://x.com/Jatosint/status/1939656535728431518
https://x.com/Jatosint/status/1939656535728431518
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Walk in history line a bit. Keris FB put this photo taken from RNZAF Bristol Freighter that took off from Cililitan (now Halim) AB in 1961. Shown rows of IL-28 and TU-16. Just got suspicion that AURI (TNI AU that time) deliberately put Tu-16 and Il-28 in open so the RNZAF people can take photo of them.
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I think your date of 1991 is a little astray as the Bristol Freighter left RNZAF service in 1975
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I was already thinking....that looks very "classic" for a 1991 photo.
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They (Indonesian MinDef) already comitted to KRW 600 bio or 7% of development costs, and ROK DAPA already agree on the Indonesia shares in KFX program be reduce to that number from 20%. So on cost sharing agreement case is closed so far.
What still potentially can goes awry is the big price on the program. Indonesia commitment to assembly 48-50 IFX/IF-21. DI and KAI already signed MoU to work out and setting up assembly line in Bandung. This is that I said long time ago more potential problem. This is also that some in MinDef being lobby by Dasault to change assembly line for more Rafael rather then IF-21. Cost sharing agreement potentialy will be less dramatic then setting up production line for IF-21. That's where big money commitment comming on. Cost sharing will be relatively peanuts compare to this.
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Photo on first Indonesian Pilot take command of KF-21
What still potentially can goes awry is the big price on the program. Indonesia commitment to assembly 48-50 IFX/IF-21. DI and KAI already signed MoU to work out and setting up assembly line in Bandung. This is that I said long time ago more potential problem. This is also that some in MinDef being lobby by Dasault to change assembly line for more Rafael rather then IF-21. Cost sharing agreement potentialy will be less dramatic then setting up production line for IF-21. That's where big money commitment comming on. Cost sharing will be relatively peanuts compare to this.
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Photo on first Indonesian Pilot take command of KF-21
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Photos of F-16 flight from Pekanbaru AB doing exercise at Banda Aceh AB. What I want to illustrate is the difference between an A class AB and B class AB within TNI-AU definition.
Pekanbaru AB is an A class AB, means the AB home for at least a squadron with supporting infrastructure including usually the technical sq that supports the type. Pekanbaru AB is one of A class type AB.
Banda Aceh AB on other hand is typical B class type AB. Thus they have facilities to support operation including Fighters, but only temporary. Thus they are usually have facilities like this fighters berth/hanggar to support the flights operation up to months (info from online rumours), but can't support for heavy maintenance and logistics.
Below the B type come C type class AB, which basically only can support for only days or usually being used as training facilities. From what I gather a C type AB commander is at Lt Col level, B type commander is at Col level, and A type AB either one star or two star Air Marshall level.
This classification is important enough cause it shows how TNI-AU handle logistics. TNI-AU did not have high level of standardisation of types, and thus the logistics center on each A type class AB that become nod of supports to each types.
This pictures shown recent visit from Dassault team checking on the progress of Rafale facilities that being build in Pekanbaru AB. This is new facilities as Rafale is new types. Thus become nod of TNI-AU logistics and support of Rafale.
Thus from what I gather the fast jets AB will be, Pekanbaru AB will home (first two batch) of Rafale, Pontianak AB home of Hawk 200 until Rafale third batch replace them, Madiun AB home for F-16 and TA-50 and Makasar AB home to Flankers. While Malang AB home to Super Tucano and C-130H. Other A type AB will home to transports/tankers, helicopters, Trainers, UAV, and other supports planes like MPA, EW and hopefully AEW&C later on.
Medan AB, Biak and Kupang AB being just upgrade to A type from previous B type. Rumour will be home to interims fighters which still can be Mirage 2K or J-10C or even both. What's not clear yet where the F-15EX will be home, some say it will be in Medan AB, some rumours talk it will take previous F-16 den in Pekanbaru AB as Rafale being build new home in that AB.
All this just shown the approach of TNI-AU on handling logistics in supporting their multiple types of Fighters and other Aircrafts.
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So, with other words, SkU 12 and SkU 16 will become both Rafale squadrons, with SkU 12 Hawk moving to Supadio (SkU 1) and SkU 16 F-16s probably to Polonia. SkU 3 and 14 stay F-16 squadrons for now. Isn't it?
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About the sq number I'm not certain whether some will transfer to as Rafale Sq or they create new sq. Do remember TNI-AU still have some sq numbers that now dormant and need to rectivate. At this moment seems from TNI-AU source and media, the movement of fighters that so far being clear enough. All Hawks going to Pontianak and all F-16 going to Madiun
However what Medan going to be home to, seems depends on what interim fighters will be. Before the rumours were Medan will become home to ex Qatar Mirage 2000. Now if they decide to goes with J-10C as interim fighters, then it is J-10C that will be home in Medan. Now there're talks that some ex USAF F-16 will also become available soon, so who knows where this interim fighters will be.
However what Medan going to be home to, seems depends on what interim fighters will be. Before the rumours were Medan will become home to ex Qatar Mirage 2000. Now if they decide to goes with J-10C as interim fighters, then it is J-10C that will be home in Medan. Now there're talks that some ex USAF F-16 will also become available soon, so who knows where this interim fighters will be.
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L'Indonésie pourrait acheter jusqu'à 24 Rafale supplémentaires
Exclusif. Alors que le président indonésien Prabowo Subianto sera l'invité d'honneur de la France pour le 14 juillet, Jakarta souhaiterait désormais acquérir 24 Rafale.
If this is true intention, then this is means in my opinion the money for 24 F-15EX being move to additional 24 Rafale. Which is good for TNI-AU logistics. If they still move also with KF/IF-21 license agreement, then it is going to be replacement for F-16 later on.
Perhaps from all chaotic procurement process some standarisation will come out eventually. Who knows.
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We know the acquisition of US Fighters this days also related to potential trade bargain Indonesia tried to bargain with Trump team. The La Tribune article and local media talks make me suspect that Prabowos administration bargain of more Oil and Gas plus Boeing Airliners purchases for US. While at same time they potentially switching Fighters procurement from Boeing to more Rafale.
Rumours before talk on Dasault going to cut someone else deals for more Rafale. I suspect before the cost will be to KAI, but seems more potentialy to Boeing. While Boeing then compensate with more Max and Dreamliners orders. In sense Boeing commercials got more order in the cost to Boeing Military.
Well it still can change, but one thing for sure, additional Rafale going to costs some other competitor projects with MinDef.