The way things have been progressing, it seems a bit too early to say that.
2012 time line is set on the ship leaving for trials by 2010 i think, lets see what happens.
LCA naval might have to wait around considering the issues with the program.
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2012 time line is set on the ship leaving for trials by 2010 i think, lets see what happens.
LCA naval might have to wait around considering the issues with the program.
Meanwhile,
"The ex-Gorshkov will be launched soon. At the end of October the installation of engines and other heavy gear will start." Nice picture-
http://www.ng.ru/nvo/2008-10-22/100_avianosets.html
I wonder, besides for the AW, will it carry any AShMs?
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http://www.flightglobal.com/article...ts-russian-aircraft-carrier-price-demand.html
This is not going to be resolved before the next government (2009-2010 budget), meanwhile russia might have to spend from its own pocket (will they be willing to?).
hey guys,great news here ,fincantieri of italy is to build a 27500 ton fleet tamker for the indian navy.
here is the link and the article:
http://www.yourindustrynews.com/fincantieri+to+build+new+fleet+tanker+for+the+indian+navy_14194.html
Fincantieri to Build New Fleet Tanker for the Indian Navy
Thursday, Oct 30, 2008
On the occasion of the international exhibition Euronaval – the most important trade fair for the defence industries currently in progress in Paris-Le Bourget – Fincantieri has announced the company has gained an order to build a fleet tanker for the Indian Navy.
Following previous orders to Russian industries, this is the first order for a surface vessel for which India has chosen a foreign company, Fincantieri, which competed to win the order against leading international players, especially from Russia and Korea.
The vessel, which will be built at the shipyards in Liguria, for delivery at the end of 2010, will be 175 metres long, 25 wide and 19 high and will have a displacement at full load of 27,500 tonnes. The ship will be powered by two 10,000 kW diesel engines which will enable it to reach a maximum speed of 20 knots and its propulsion system will feature an adjustable blade propeller. There will also be a flight deck on board for medium-heavy helicopters (up to 10 tons).
The ship will accommodate up to 248 passengers – crew and supplementary personnel.
Equipped with double hatches, the vessel will be able to service four ships at the same time.
In accordance with the new Marpol regulations of the International Maritime Organization concerning the protection of the environment, this will be the first ship of this type to be built with a double hull thereby improving protection of the fuel tanks and avoiding the risk of pollution in case of collision or damage.
Fincantieri has already built the “Sagar Nidhi” for India, an oceanographic vessel for the National Institute of Ocean Technology (NIOT) in Madras which was delivered at the end of 2007. In addition, in 2004 the company drew up two contracts with Cochin shipyard regarding the design of the engine, technology transfer and the provision of complementary services for the construction of the Air Defence Ship (ADS); activities are also in the process of being finalized for the sharing of the functional design and details of the propulsion system. The assistance stage at the Indian shipyard is about to start up shortly.
In order to better service the Indian area, Fincantieri has set up a permanent, representative office in New Delhi.
Commenting on the order, Giuseppe Bono, Fincantieri C.E.O., said: “This further, important order confirms that the Indian market is strategic for our company, as it should be seen within the framework of a process of growing internationalization of our activities and a return to the military export market.”
In view of the experience Fincantieri has gained in the construction of this vessel type, both for the Italian Navy and for a number of foreign navies, the company has recently been admitted, together with another three yards, to the final stage of the tender for the high prestige British programme MARS (Military Afloat Reach and Sustainability), which involves the construction of six fleet replenishment tankers for the Royal Navy.
In view of such a significant order, and to consolidate its presence on the British market, Fincantieri has recently formed an alliance with NSL (Northwestern Shiprepairers and Shipbuilders Ltd), a British yard specialized in ship repair, conversion and military refit.
NSL has built some of the Royal Navy's finest vessels including HMS Ark Royal along with the first guided missile destroyer and a number of submarines, and is today a prime contractor to the Royal Fleet Auxiliary (RFA) Service.
here is the link and the article:
http://www.yourindustrynews.com/fincantieri+to+build+new+fleet+tanker+for+the+indian+navy_14194.html
Fincantieri to Build New Fleet Tanker for the Indian Navy
Thursday, Oct 30, 2008
On the occasion of the international exhibition Euronaval – the most important trade fair for the defence industries currently in progress in Paris-Le Bourget – Fincantieri has announced the company has gained an order to build a fleet tanker for the Indian Navy.
Following previous orders to Russian industries, this is the first order for a surface vessel for which India has chosen a foreign company, Fincantieri, which competed to win the order against leading international players, especially from Russia and Korea.
The vessel, which will be built at the shipyards in Liguria, for delivery at the end of 2010, will be 175 metres long, 25 wide and 19 high and will have a displacement at full load of 27,500 tonnes. The ship will be powered by two 10,000 kW diesel engines which will enable it to reach a maximum speed of 20 knots and its propulsion system will feature an adjustable blade propeller. There will also be a flight deck on board for medium-heavy helicopters (up to 10 tons).
The ship will accommodate up to 248 passengers – crew and supplementary personnel.
Equipped with double hatches, the vessel will be able to service four ships at the same time.
In accordance with the new Marpol regulations of the International Maritime Organization concerning the protection of the environment, this will be the first ship of this type to be built with a double hull thereby improving protection of the fuel tanks and avoiding the risk of pollution in case of collision or damage.
Fincantieri has already built the “Sagar Nidhi” for India, an oceanographic vessel for the National Institute of Ocean Technology (NIOT) in Madras which was delivered at the end of 2007. In addition, in 2004 the company drew up two contracts with Cochin shipyard regarding the design of the engine, technology transfer and the provision of complementary services for the construction of the Air Defence Ship (ADS); activities are also in the process of being finalized for the sharing of the functional design and details of the propulsion system. The assistance stage at the Indian shipyard is about to start up shortly.
In order to better service the Indian area, Fincantieri has set up a permanent, representative office in New Delhi.
Commenting on the order, Giuseppe Bono, Fincantieri C.E.O., said: “This further, important order confirms that the Indian market is strategic for our company, as it should be seen within the framework of a process of growing internationalization of our activities and a return to the military export market.”
In view of the experience Fincantieri has gained in the construction of this vessel type, both for the Italian Navy and for a number of foreign navies, the company has recently been admitted, together with another three yards, to the final stage of the tender for the high prestige British programme MARS (Military Afloat Reach and Sustainability), which involves the construction of six fleet replenishment tankers for the Royal Navy.
In view of such a significant order, and to consolidate its presence on the British market, Fincantieri has recently formed an alliance with NSL (Northwestern Shiprepairers and Shipbuilders Ltd), a British yard specialized in ship repair, conversion and military refit.
NSL has built some of the Royal Navy's finest vessels including HMS Ark Royal along with the first guided missile destroyer and a number of submarines, and is today a prime contractor to the Royal Fleet Auxiliary (RFA) Service.
hey guys,strange news here,the chinese naval chief is on a visit to india and is likely to visit the karwar naval base and the dabolim naval base.
here is the link and the article:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...e_on_first-ever_visit/articleshow/3660608.cms
NEW DELHI: In a first ever visit by a Chinese Navy chief to india , Admiral Wu Shengli will arrive in New Delhi on Saturday. He is slated to hold discussions with defence minister A K Antony and his Indian counterpart Admiral Sureesh Mehta to boost military confidence-building measures.
This comes at a time when India and China are jostling for the same strategic space in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR) to secure their energy and other needs. India, of course, does not want this "competition" to escalate into "conflict".
With China on course to acquire aircraft carriers, the one capability lacking in its otherwise potent naval force, its Navy chief is especially keen to get a first-hand look at India's operation of 'INS Viraat' and its Sea Harrier jump-jets.
"Apart from holding talks with Antony and Admiral Mehta during his visit from November 1 to 5, he will be visiting the Western Naval Command at Mumbai, the naval airbase at goa and the upcoming naval base at Karwar," said an official.
Indian and Chinese armed forces have been incrementally building up their military ties, which in December 2007 led to the first-ever joint counter-terrorism exercise between the two armies at Kunming, with the return exercise planned at Belgaum in India this December.
Apart from other concerns, India remains worried about strategic moves by China in maritime domain. In keeping with the "string of pearls" strategic construct, China is forging linkages with eastern Africa, Seychelles, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Myanmar and Cambodia, among others, in a bid to encircle India.
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here is the link and the article:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...e_on_first-ever_visit/articleshow/3660608.cms
NEW DELHI: In a first ever visit by a Chinese Navy chief to india , Admiral Wu Shengli will arrive in New Delhi on Saturday. He is slated to hold discussions with defence minister A K Antony and his Indian counterpart Admiral Sureesh Mehta to boost military confidence-building measures.
This comes at a time when India and China are jostling for the same strategic space in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR) to secure their energy and other needs. India, of course, does not want this "competition" to escalate into "conflict".
With China on course to acquire aircraft carriers, the one capability lacking in its otherwise potent naval force, its Navy chief is especially keen to get a first-hand look at India's operation of 'INS Viraat' and its Sea Harrier jump-jets.
"Apart from holding talks with Antony and Admiral Mehta during his visit from November 1 to 5, he will be visiting the Western Naval Command at Mumbai, the naval airbase at goa and the upcoming naval base at Karwar," said an official.
Indian and Chinese armed forces have been incrementally building up their military ties, which in December 2007 led to the first-ever joint counter-terrorism exercise between the two armies at Kunming, with the return exercise planned at Belgaum in India this December.
Apart from other concerns, India remains worried about strategic moves by China in maritime domain. In keeping with the "string of pearls" strategic construct, China is forging linkages with eastern Africa, Seychelles, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Myanmar and Cambodia, among others, in a bid to encircle India.
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WRONG!
NSL did not build Ark Royal (Swan Hunter did), although I will give NSLs predcessors credit in building Type 42s and Nuclear Subs-but that was a long time ago (infact their last sub was an Upholder, now with the CF's, about 15 years ago).
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I got a gut feeling that this ship will end up in the Russian Pac.Fleet, and India will be compensated with other Russian weapons/favorable contracts. India will have to keep her older CV sailoring on for extra few years before a new one is built. BTW, does Thailand really needs her carrier/Royal Yacht? With all the turmoil there I'm surprised that India hasn't offered to buy it!
i know the Kitty Hawk for India has been repeatedly been shot down, but what about the Tarawa?
- it's not a super carrier so less security and balance of power issues
- it's more 'right size' for india (crew complement of less than 1000 vs 5600+ for the KH)
- it has amphibious capabilities
- excellent disaster relief facilities
- it's longer than the Viraat (ex-Hermes)
- it's 20 years newer than the Viraat
- it's being decomissioned in a few months
- it's not a super carrier so less security and balance of power issues
- it's more 'right size' for india (crew complement of less than 1000 vs 5600+ for the KH)
- it has amphibious capabilities
- excellent disaster relief facilities
- it's longer than the Viraat (ex-Hermes)
- it's 20 years newer than the Viraat
- it's being decomissioned in a few months
I seriously doubt the Russian gov. has the money to procure, refurbish, deploy, arm, train pilots for, and use for that ship. Not to mention India has already 1) Signed the Fulcrum contracts. 2) Agreed to purchase the additional aircraft under option. It really doesn't look likely.
I think that should be a really acceptable way for both parties involved. India gets the money (+fine) back Russia gets the carrier.
From the looks of it, the gorshkov will be the last second hand carrier, or one manufactured outside india.
US is not offering these systems to IN, even if they did I dont think the navy will get any more funds for any such purchase programs.
The indian navy is looking at development of a Mistral type of platform.
The USA does not "offer" systems. Countries have to send a "request". We will never know if any transfers can occur unless a "request" is made.
Further to this, "requests" are generally "classified" to begin. Once in the approval process within the US government, they are generally made public.
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Cammell Laird (NSL) built two aircraft carriers called HMS Ark Royal, one in the late 1930's, and one in the 1950's.
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But the formal process you describe can be - and often is - initiated by the USA. A "request" can be - and very frequently (mostly?) is - in response to an offer, accompanied by very heavy marketing, from a US firm, which will previously have ascertained that there is no objection in principle to it selling the goods. If I, as head of the air force of US ally or neutral country X, let it be known that I have a requirement for n fighters, do you honestly think there will not be approaches from LM & Boeing salesmen (with the approval of the relevant US authorities) very soon afterwards?
Well it did not state which Ark Royal, and as Ark Royal V was completed 50 yeas ago, then how is it an indication of the quality of the yards work when the workforce will have changed?
All the well then, does not seem to be any chance of that happening.(IN sending a request).
The IN has a Austin Class(ex-USS Trenton), which seemed to have procured for throw away prices, chances of going for a similar one seem to be more realistic.
http://www.indiaenews.com/india/20070714/60707.htm
You are correct that US contractors must have a US Government commercial licensing permission prior to marketing major defense equipment (MDE) to a specified country overseas. In the case of MDE, such as fighter aircraft, these can only be sold abroad via the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) system which only responds to a letter of request (LOR), which in the case you describe would be a formal request for proposal or RFP by country X. As in all FMS, all purchases are via the US Government (Department of Defense) and not the contractor. No doubt that contractors will be all over the Country X in marketing, but in the USA case, there are guidelines they must follow. Bottom line is the request process must be formally initiated by country X, there is never any "offer".
This a yet another FMS process, however in this case is probably considered under "excess defense articles" (EDA). There is no price for sale of the ship, just costs for transfer and administration. EDA is formally requested by any eligible country and must have US Presidential approval prior to the transfer.
I think you've missed the point. There are two distinct processes here:
1) the formal request-offer process.
2) the marketing process.
How many times do you think 1) follows 2)? Very often, I think.
Saying there is never any "offer" may be true, but only for a limited, technical, meaning of the word "offer". In normal usage, the informal proposals firms make before a formal request is issued would certainly be considered offers. The USA (considered both as a collectivity, & the government considered as one entity) is entirely passive in the model you describe, only reacting after a potential customer has initiated contact, but you cannot believe that is what actually happens.
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