Good god, why do you have to inject such pithy commentary - I realise that you like skating along the edges to avoid Mod attention, but gimme a break
Chinese parts in CISCO boxes were the very reason why various countries started pulling chinese made CISCO gear from national centres 2-3 years ago.
The chinese didn't need Huawei to look inside sites and traffic of interest, they only needed CISCO - hence why CISCO gear started getting dropped from various "users"
as for looking etc... all the people screaming at the hypocrisy of the americans and who try to draw some tangential line between US and Chinese surveillance philosophies seem to not understand that the issue about Huawei is principally around the fact that Huawei wants to set up infrastructure whereas CISCO will always just be a box flogger.
It's about them owning the bearers - not the routers.
for crying out loud, at least pretend to make the effort to understand the issue than coming in with the predictable idealogical rant
No disrespect buddy, but its commonly known that Governments keep taps on virtually everything.
As a IT guy myself i can understand everything you have said and most of it i can agree to as this is simply truth.
On the flip side you are both right and wrong, as both posters do have a point.
In this case Both Cisco and Huawei have extensive connections to both civilian and governmental networks.
And both have "dirt" under their finger nails.
This does not make Cisco bad and neither does it make Huawei bad.
But it does say everything about local authorities and policy making factors.
For example the US requires vendors (If asked and without asking lmao) to provide access to their systems and data, and most routers and networks switches have been configured and developed in exactly that way.
Because on virtually every system there is a "back" way in.
So its a given that when you buy Cisco or a Huawei hardware that someone will be able to watch/see/listen.
Which applies to virtually any system out there regardless if its a smartphone, a laptop or a pc or a router/switch for that matter.
And imo the US is just as lame as China both are spying and monitoring data while pointing fingers... just like the rest of the world.
Nothing new there...
Now here i have a interesting question for you:
Why would a (US Build) Cisco router be subject to a law that enables the NSA (Or any US agency) to bypass its security and monitor traffic while this router is also being sold overseas thus giving agencies the ability to tune in to non US people.
And why would a Chinese build system not being allowed to follow the same protocol?
You have to realize that it does not matter if your chip set comes from Asia, EU or US...it will have a hidden access point, it will be exploitable and it will be hacked.
And as long policy makers in the Washington make laws and regulations that enables US agencies to monitor the world, then you can be sure that others will do the same. (And vice versa)
or did you forgot this:
"The Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (Calea) passed in 1994 forces all US manufacturers to produce equipment compliant with that law.
That same law says that "agencies" must have unrestricted access.
The Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) is a United States wiretapping law passed in 1994, during the presidency of Bill Clinton (Pub. L. No. 103-414, 108 Stat. 4279, codified at 47 USC 1001-1010).
CALEA's purpose is to enhance the ability of law enforcement and intelligence agencies to conduct electronic surveillance by requiring that telecommunications carriers and manufacturers of telecommunications equipment modify and design their equipment, facilities, and services to ensure that they have built-in surveillance capabilities, allowing federal agencies to monitor all telephone, broadband internet, and VoIP traffic in real-time.
So the US government fears that Huawei products are bugged with BD's and vulnerabilities while by law US manufactured systems are bugged by law...
way to go...lol
That being said, last but not least China is known for its massive amounts of Cyber attacks upon western systems and for its industrial/military espionage but on the flip side the US and the rest are doing exactly the same. And both trying to find ways to make it more stealthy and more effective both offensive and defensive.
And given that Huawei and Cisco are both market leaders in their respective area you will see both having more and more connections to military and espionage related issues. Same goes for giants like: MS, Google, Yahoo, Facebook, Twitter and so on....
Cisco has been open to the NSA dating back from win 95 with its first build in internet as the router direct traffic to the cdn's and thus enabling tapping in realtime.
And with the NSA security compliance and the new encryption standards US agencies can tap anyone at anytime.
On top of that Huawei is having some vulnerabilities but NO confirmed back-doors (except those required by local/international law)
While Cisco on the other hand has multiple ways in.
Granted i would pick any Cisco over Huawei product.
as for looking etc... all the people screaming at the hypocrisy of the Americans and who try to draw some tangential line between US and Chinese surveillance philosophies seem to not understand that the issue about Huawei is principally around the fact that Huawei wants to set up infrastructure whereas CISCO will always just be a box flogger.
Whats the difference Cisco delivering routers to direct traffic to cdn's? which are monitored? thus setting up a infrastructure?
Or Huawei which uses microchips to connect smartphones and such? and basically doing the same.
You have to understand that the BIGGEST issue is just plain the many vulnerabilities in H-Products and fear.
What if the Chinese government builds backdoors into H-Chips? this fear is based upon a few clueless US politicians while their own Cisco is so bugged you could use it to tune it to Saturday live...
That being said actions are being taken by both Cisco and the US government to calm this fear, and so will Huawei do the same with their Chinese policy makers.
And in the meantime when you or me or anyone else for that matter says something during a call using a smartphone someone will have it on record somewhere.
Same goes for the Cisco router... if they want they can check back virtually every dirty site i might have visited
and they probably listen in when i have dirty talks with my wife over skype...lmao.
Anyway Huawei is used in so many systems and Cisco (And other US brands) are equally used in a wide variety of systems that it would be virtually impossible to rule everything out.
I mean come on this whole espionage thing, the whole PRISM thing... you got to admit... its a bit much.
So we can draw one conclusion here: Regardless where your system comes from or who the vendor is there will be always a vulnerability and there will be always a agency being able to tap in at will. Some by law or some by having a BD build in and some because they found a way in
But that has nothing to do with the products itself as both have proven them selfs to be market leaders in what they do.
So i do understand your points, but being a bit more open minded would not hurt your post.
Again no disrespect or trolling.flaming intended buddy.