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F-35 - International Participation

Discussion in 'Air Force & Aviation' started by OPSSG, Apr 13, 2012.

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  1. DaveS124

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    So far the reports suggest in-servce from mid-20s, but we won't known until the policy paper is released within the next few weeks.
    Have seen a Tokyo report that new F-35 order of 100 could be for 60 As and 40 Bs, but, again, we have to wait for the policy paper.
    My guess? From about 2025.
    Ski-jump, JPALS (or GLIS plus azimuth combo if former not yet mature), ALIS, thermal non-skid on two spots. They'd be the big ticket items. Worth noting that the B refit for CAVOUR is 74 million euros, but they don't have to fit a ski-jump.
    Nope.
    Beijing has already told Tokyo they "must not" do this. Months ago. Suck it up, I say.......
    Seoul government said a few months ago they were looking at it, but no news since. Informed opinion elsewhre has it that it might be do-able, but deck evolutions would, by necessity, be very, very tight.
    A very good question which I have no possible answer!
    Singapore's possibility, too, although their defence people are, as per usual, in full delphic silence about all this,.

    Oh yes..... don't forget Turkey, which is splitting it former all-A order to an A/B mix, with the latter to embark in their Juan Carlos I LHD ANADOLU, seen in the attached pic being built at the Sedef-Navantia yard in Istanbul. Due for launch next year. Severa, credible reports from Turkey state that no matter the LHD tasking - amphibious, sea control, ASW, et al - there will be at least six Bs in the ship. Five ranged aft on the roof, one downstairs for TLC. reports earlier this year state that a second LHD is very likely, as they want one to be available at all times.[/QUOTE]
     

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    The F-35B is a significantly bigger Aircraft then the Harrier so your probably going to need a bigger Ship then the typical Harrier Carrier of 15-20,000t and maybe that's why the F-35B operators seem to be jumping up a size or 3(UKs case). The Hyuga's and the Dokdo may be to small to be effective F-35B Vessels. Singapore makes a lot of sense as they could disperse their Sqns and use Freeways to operate their Aircraft from.
     
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    Don't forget in the far future perhaps the Spanish will be interested to replace their Harriers with F-35Bs. After all they designed (with what was known then) JCI to take F-35Bs. Israel 'has been' interested in the F-35B but today seems NOT interested.
     
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    your news is really good.
     
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    G'day @puja121 Welcome to the forum. We look forward to your participation. Can you please take the time to read the rules.
     
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    Thanks for the detailed reply.

    Singapore F35B could have traction
    CAVOUR - 74 Million Euros well spent
    Japan - very very Interesting.
    Turkey - Test bed of viability for the Juan Carlos 1 Club.
    Turkey second ship......have not read but would make sense.
    Beijing-...losing friends but buying influence................unsettling.

    Regards S
     
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    Spain is interesting.
    If they where cashed up I no doubt they would of got in early with the F35 B.
    I wonder if Spain will look at some 2nd hand US marine Harriers as they become surplus to inventory as the F35B enters US service.

    Regards S
     
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    The F-35B is a significantly bigger Aircraft then the Harrier so your probably going to need a bigger Ship then the typical Harrier Carrier of 15-20,000t and maybe that's why the F-35B operators seem to be jumping up a size or 3(UKs case). The Hyuga's and the Dokdo may be to small to be effective F-35B Vessels. Singapore makes a lot of sense as they could disperse their Sqns and use Freeways to operate their Aircraft from.[/QUOTE]


    True bigger has its benefits.
    The F35B is certainly much heavier than the old Harrier but its foot print is not that dramaticly differant. About a metre longer and wider
    The Beam of the USS Wasp LHD is about the same as the Canberra Class with the later's lift arrangement being the noticeable difference, along with the ski jump.
    Both ships are bigger than the Invincible class and have a larger and better designed hangar.
    Agree with you that Singapore could be a potential user.

    Regards S .
     
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    One interesting one is Italy is supposedly not fitting a Ski Ramp to its new LHD(Trieste?)
     
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    IfvSpain were cashed up when Príncipe de Asturias was withdrawn they were originally going to build another carrier, the purpose of JC1 was to keep the concurrent training up whilst the replacement carrier was in extendard maintenance, JC1 was never intended to be the main focus for fixed wing maritime aviation it just ended up that way due to funding.

    I have seen rendering of the new carrier and looks like a mini me to JC1 just minus a couple of decks
     
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    JCI has four functions IIRC - stated in their brochure - one of which is 'aviation centric'.
     
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    The name the second Turkish LHD was announced a few months ago. She's to commission as TRAKYA.

    Fun video by the Turkish regarding the LHD/F-35B combo in amphibious ops.



    The Spanish navy's air branch chief gave a long interview earlier this year, where he said their requirement was for 20-30 F-35Bs, with 60-80 F-35As for the air force. The navy would also like a second LHD. The government has put a hold on all new projects - this is government-wide, not just the military - until 2025. However, if the government demands that the air force "buy European" and replace their Hornets with Typhoons instead of F-35As, then any plans to buy Bs will founder. So, we can only wait until '25 and see how it pans out.
     
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    Why is this argey-bargey about LHDs/F-35Bs not knocked to the appropriate thread? I was banned for just answering a question from someone else (not realizing there is a specific LHD/F-35B for Oz thread at the time - but as the sign says 'Ignorance is no excuse'). <sigh> :) And I would agree with my general knowledge garnered from 'those in the know' that there are minimal changes required internally but it will always depend on what those changes may be and for what purpose etc. As mentioned by the Wigs of Big in a Senate hearing 'off the top of their heads' when Abbott was PM the LHDs require better radar/landing aids/deck treatments - all doable of course. While the overall cost seems to be always inflated with the cost of the F-35Bs and their lifetime support. BUT I am typing too much and I'll have to STOP! :)
     
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    Well spotted and BZ Spaz and so to all posters, especially Aussies, RAN related posts back to the RAN thread or the Mods will get extra cranky.
     
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    Japan confirms F-35Bs for Izumo ships [05 Dec 2018]

     
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    Makes sense. They can also operate them off offshore islands and other localities using austere facilities.
     
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    Will be interesting to see what China has to say as they have already opposed the intail statement regarding Japans intention
     
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    ngatimozart Super Moderator Staff Member Verified Defense Pro

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    Spleen venting I reckon with heaps of self righteous indignation and that's just the opening stanza.
     
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    The PLAN are building some LHD's
    Maybe they could acquire some F35B's as well
    :);):p:rolleyes:o_O

    S
     
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    in principle, every country in the world with V/STOL light carriers have no alternative to the F-35B, at this point in time.