This just blows me away looking at some of the sequence of events on how India takes a ship this size and cuts it apart.
Brazilian Naval Strength
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You can still see her on Google Earth, just search for Alang shipyard.
I'm not a defense pro, but to my knowledge Brazil has 4 Tupi and 1 Tikuna (U209-1400)-It looks like all of them will be upgraded by Lockeed-Martin. I alse read somewhere that Brazil may be interested by other SSKs ? Does someone happens to have a hint about which type (Scorpene, Uxxx) ?
The Lockheed Martin upgrade to the Tupi/Tikuna class is for the Integrated Combat System only as a result of Brazil's purchase of the Mk-48 heavy weight torpedo.
As for a follow-on SSK, the Scorpene is the most probable choice.
As for a follow-on SSK, the Scorpene is the most probable choice.
contedicavour
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The French are extremely active in pushing for Scorpene SSK... also talking about help in building a local SSN...
By the way I just saw the pictures of the breaking up of the Minas Gerais in the Indian shipyard. Ouch what a sad view !! Couldn't the Brazilians have made it a museum ship ?
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By the way I just saw the pictures of the breaking up of the Minas Gerais in the Indian shipyard. Ouch what a sad view !! Couldn't the Brazilians have made it a museum ship ?
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This new Lockheed Martin Submarine Integated Combat System (SUBICS) is currently being installed on the Brazilian submarines as well as their shore training facility.
Lockheed Martin will provide systems engineering, sensors, software and electronics for the modernization of the SSK’s control, combat management, sonar and fire control and weapons launch systems.
The new, open-architecture/local area network SUBICS will provide the Brazilian Navy with improved computer processing capacity, component redundancy and reconfiguration capability whilst well positioned for future upgrades.
I believe this is the first open architecture/LAN type SUBICS on a type 209 SSK.
Word on the street is a Brazil-France defense deal should be signed soon.
The package is to include (4) Scorpene SSK to be constructed in Brazil with starts in 2009/2011/2013/2015. These Scorpenes should be ready in 2013/2015/2017/2019. There is an option for (2) more.
French assistance for the Brazilan SSN is to be included with the goal to have the SSN ready in 2020.
Brazil purchases (4) Scorpene SSK
The deal was closed on 23 Dec between Brazil and France for the purchase of (4) Scorpene SSK and construction of the SSN.
dragonfire
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Could you pls tell me if this would be the same variant already in construction in India - the scorpenes tht is - is it the same ? any ideas on the various suites and sonar packages etc
I have not seen any details yet on the Brazilian Scorpene variant. I do know that a new shipyard west of Rio will be built for construction of this class as well as the SSN.
dragonfire
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I read somewhere that the shipyard will be built by DCNS and post construction activities will become the base for the submarines built in the project, looks like brazil has a cracked a good complete deal and I believe tht post construction the cost of the nuc-sub will be the cheapest amongst all active nuc-subs
The new submarine shipyard will be built by a Brazilian construction company, I'm sure with heavy input by DCNS.
Once again the Brazilian SSN is merely an SSK hull with nuclear propulsion and NOT like the fleet SSN's in the USN, Royal Navy, French Navy and Russian Navy. It would not be correct to make comparisons with the Brazilian SSN to other SSNs.
dragonfire
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Ofcourse SD it in no way would compare to other currently deployed nuc-subs, but you must agree that a nuclear submarine however small or with an SSK hull (which by the way would probably be a little diff than the other scorpenes - i bet tht it would be slightly longer too) is definetely better than a conventionaly powered nuc-sub - of the top of hat - range, submereged period (am sure it will have an AIP) etc will give it more than just an edge over conventional subs
What is a "conventionaly (sic) powered nuc-sub"? Do you mean nuclear-armed? The discussion is about SSNs, i.e. nuclear-powered fleet submarines, not nuclear-armed submarines.
Please clarify what you mean by "definetely better than a conventionaly powered nuc-sub". (?)
Whether the relatively small French SSNs are "fleet SSNs" is another question in itself...
I.E how do you define what is a fleet SSN.
What's interesting despite French nuke knowledge (civil) they are youngest SSN operator having its first sub commissioned in 83 nearly a decade after China.
dragonfire
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My bad - i meant conventionaly powered sub i.e. diesel / electric or other propulsion which not nuclear
My msg again - However small or with irregular design (not the usual SSN designs) a nuclear powered submarine has definite advantages over a submarine which is not having nuclear propulsion, the primary advantage being the range of the sub rises substantialy and the period it can remain submereged is also hugely diff. This being the case the brazil nuc sub on the scorpene type hull will be definetely a model which is not at par with other regular SSNs but it would be a nuc - sub nevertheless and possibily be cheaper than the other regular SSNs and perhaps pave way for future classes in this category for smaller SSNs