Bombings, Mass shootings & Domestic Security Issues in the US

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swerve

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I will try to provide a detailed reply when I'm home and in front of a computer, but for now please consider the following. Pearl Harbor was not thought impossible. Ideas about ship to ship naval strikes had been circulating in military circles for at least two decades, and the British carried out a smaller version of Pearl Harbor at Taranto. The Japanese built on and evolved a concept that was widely discussed and considered.

EDIT: To circle this back to the topic of the thread, military planning and ideas about possibilities for future conflicts rarely pop out of the vacuum. The US should, and in fact does, plan for real conflicts based on a variety of scenarios. Things thought impossible do sometimes occurr, but these are extremely rare outliers. There is room for a legitimate discussion on planning for low probability high impact outliers but this is not the thread for it.
Absolutely!

We know that the Japanese studied the successful RN attack on the Italian fleet at Taranto in 1940. Few ideas emerge whole, without a series of predecessors.
 

JohnWolf

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Well if you take the non US FVEY nations and Western Europe into account, we don't understand nor condone the US proclivity for gun violence within its borders, that leads to multiple shooting as a regular occurrences, especially in schools. How many school children have to die before the US government will curb the violence? Thousands? Tens of thousands? Hundreds of thousands? Millions?

To the rest of us it is symptomatic of a violent and barbaric society that doesn't care about its children and citizens.

The claims being used about second amendment rights and fear of the government are, to outsiders, just bullshit excuses because there are to many vested interests in not regulating firearms. How many of your citizens have died from the COVID-19 virus because of lack of leadership from POTUS and others? Last count I believe is 300,000. That's a huge amount of deaths with probably 80% of them preventable. A crime against humanity? Possibly, but the criminals won't be held to account will they, because your system is corrupt.

So where is your so called tyranny? Is it the government?

Or is it the groups who try to control the government and the people? You know religious groups, the NRA, PACs, lobbyists, Hollywood, businesses etc., anti govt groups? Or is it a figment of your imagination?

This brings me to my second point. A society that is supposed to be a democracy and living in freedom, must surely have a cankerous cancer within it, if its citizens live in fear of their own government and what it is capable of doing. Or is this just a conspiracy theory being put around by far right groups and religious conservatives? When you look at the much vaunted original founding pilgrims, who are memorialised every thanksgiving, it makes me wonder sometimes if the US is full of conspiracy theorists and fundamentalist oppressive religious groups. The original settlers on the Mayflower were an extremist religious sect that even Cromwell (he who executed Charles I), who was himself a zealous very conservative protestant, had the sect banned in England. So the US is basically founded on the teachings of a banned extremist religious sect. Maybe that explains its moral hangups and the christian extremism that appears to be taking over the government.

Yes I am being harsh but it's time to speak plainly. American exceptionalism was always a self created myth. The Americans are no more exceptional than any other peoples on this planet, and the way that they have treated their own people since the 18th Century is no advertisement for their good will to fellow humans, especially in the 20th Century and the 21st Century. You Americans preach human rights, well sort your own mess out first. In many ways, socially, you are still a backward nation compared to the other FVEY nations, Western Europe, Japan, South Korea and other non European nations.

The world doesn't revolve around the US. It never has. The US isn't the Gods gift to the world.

Sometimes I wish that my people had stuck to some of the old ways and the old Gods. Life was far simpler then. We just ate our enemies for combat rations. :rolleyes:
Wait just a minute.....

So, on review, I am confronted with a choice of taking a risk on getting banned already, or slinking away like some sort of coward?

Sorry, but I'll have to take a chance on the 1st one, because the above is clearly inflammatory and meant to elicite an emotional response, just as it would be if it had been said to a citizen of any other country other than the US.
Yes?
I'll try to deal with it coldly and factually.

It won't be easy, after being told off for being disrespectful to Edrogan I am being told that the USA is a barbaric society and does not care about it's children or citizens....
Really?
That isn't just vicious flame-baiting, it is factually incorrect and brutally unjust.

Just to get a break from the anti-Americanism, I have one question to ask;
Name a nation that has had the kind of power over the rest of the world that the US has had for the last 30 years, and abused it less.

Furthermore, I mentioned American Exceptionalism with an eye to using its debunking to make my point. I was NOT proppping it up.
And to that point; I was saying that we are not so different, and as such we should not beileve that no matter what else happens a Tyranny could never try to take over in this country. Note; future tense.
Not today.
Not next week.
Some point in the future. As those who are familiar with Glubb Pasha's essay on the Life of Empires will know, we may not have much time left before a serious upheaval hits us. So it is a matter of trying to look out for future generations, not an obessesion with current events.

The Pilgrims? A symbol, nothing more. If it was more than that, people would be aware that the Pilgrims made an early attempt at Socialism, and half of them died before the experiment in communalism was abandoned. I suggest that if a tiny group that landed in 1620 is the yardstick by which a nation founded in 1776 and all Americans are being judged, then outsiders could be as poorly informed about Americans as Americans themseles are accused of being about others.

When Trump called for the travel bans in response to COVID, he was accused of being xenophobic and racist by the Left in this coutry, and I suppose everywhere else too. Nobody else was taking it very seriously here at that time. Indeed, as late as February 18, Obama was still trying to take credit for the Trump economy, that is where their focus was.
What exactly did Trump not do that killed people? The Governor of New York sent COVID patients into Nursing Homes instead of the Navy Hospital ship Trump sent to NYC. That is a demonstrable fact with many references to back it up. Trump also ramrodded projects that fabircated thousands of ventilators on demand and Warp Speed that got us this vaccine in record time.

BTW- I was quickly corrected when I geeked on Edrogan, but I see "Orange Man" and Cheeto-Man" here, and worse, for Trump.
That gets tiresome very quickly.

Lastly, can Right Wing be referred to without pejoratives like "Far" or "extremist"? We are not all as horrible as the media tries to make out. The truth is, the membership in the Flat Earth Society (at 7,500) is greater than the combined membership in the KKK and Nazi party.
We are not monsters, and we are tired of being spoken of, as to, as if we are.
And if that gets me kicked, then so be it.
 

Feanor

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Wait just a minute.....

So, on review, I am confronted with a choice of taking a risk on getting banned already, or slinking away like some sort of coward?

Sorry, but I'll have to take a chance on the 1st one, because the above is clearly inflammatory and meant to elicite an emotional response, just as it would be if it had been said to a citizen of any other country other than the US.
Yes?
The problem is not your personal political beliefs. Trust me I am much further from center than you. The problem is that you make arguments that are simply not factually true, and in the process you reveal a profound ignorance of the matters you attempt to use as evidence.

You made an extremely silly argument about gun ownership serving as a serious obstacle to a potential Chinese invasion of the US, and when refuted on it simply moved on to the next argument you had in favor of gun ownership, without even bothering to acknowledge how thoroughly silly your initial claim was. Thus you revealed that your real point was never the question of national defense but merely a pretext for advocating your views on gun ownership. You made a throwaway statement about Pearl Harbor that once again revealed a profound ignorance of the facts. There's a reason this forum tries to limit political discussion to topics only immediately and directly relevant to defense issues. If you leave politics alone and try to learn and make informed and intelligent posts, you won't find yourself backed into a corner by your own political statements, whether thinly veiled by a guise of talking about national defense or not.

As for the inflammatory nature of the above post, consider it within the context of your own claims. Again, if you leave politics alone, you won't be faced with things you clearly don't enjoy hearing.
 
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JohnWolf

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You made an extremely silly argument about gun ownership serving as a serious obstacle to a potential Chinese invasion of the US, and when refuted on it simply moved on to the next argument you had in favor of gun ownership, without even bothering to acknowledge how thoroughly silly your initial claim was. Thus you revealed that your real point was never the question of national defense but merely a pretext for advocating your views on gun ownership. You made a throwaway statement about Pearl Harbor that once again revealed a profound ignorance of the facts....
I will have to stop errasing my own posts then. I am ready to revisit each and every one of those points. In fact, a few minutes before I saw this post, I already began the process of getting back to that first point on the new thread you have started.
As for Pearl, that could be a thread in itself.
Sorry if my reluctance appeared to be flightiness. I hope you will be pleased to know that I have decided that valor is the better part of discretion and won't be backing down any more.

@JohnWolf

Robust discussion is encourage in this forum, however, when making a case you need to support it with facts. This is the main gist of the push back you are getting in addition to concern about a political bent to some of the discussion.

While I note you have chosen valour ...... tread carefully;
while robust, brave and factual discussions are encouraged. Rash and rude commentary will result in a ban.
 
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CB90

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One of the valuable things I find about international forums such as these is that it’s a good opportunity to see how other regions of the world tend to view America. Which is useful as it gets away from the more binary left vs right filtered versions of discussion that are often the only ones that get addressed within the US.

The point being, it’s useful to get an outside perspective. And when multiple people from multiple regions/countries/cultures are saying the same thing...
 

ngatimozart

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Wait just a minute.....

So, on review, I am confronted with a choice of taking a risk on getting banned already, or slinking away like some sort of coward?

Sorry, but I'll have to take a chance on the 1st one, because the above is clearly inflammatory and meant to elicite an emotional response, just as it would be if it had been said to a citizen of any other country other than the US.
Yes?
I'll try to deal with it coldly and factually.

It won't be easy, after being told off for being disrespectful to Edrogan I am being told that the USA is a barbaric society and does not care about it's children or citizens....
Really?
That isn't just vicious flame-baiting, it is factually incorrect and brutally unjust.

Just to get a break from the anti-Americanism, I have one question to ask;
Name a nation that has had the kind of power over the rest of the world that the US has had for the last 30 years, and abused it less.

Furthermore, I mentioned American Exceptionalism with an eye to using its debunking to make my point. I was NOT proppping it up.
And to that point; I was saying that we are not so different, and as such we should not beileve that no matter what else happens a Tyranny could never try to take over in this country. Note; future tense.
Not today.
Not next week.
Some point in the future. As those who are familiar with Glubb Pasha's essay on the Life of Empires will know, we may not have much time left before a serious upheaval hits us. So it is a matter of trying to look out for future generations, not an obessesion with current events.

The Pilgrims? A symbol, nothing more. If it was more than that, people would be aware that the Pilgrims made an early attempt at Socialism, and half of them died before the experiment in communalism was abandoned. I suggest that if a tiny group that landed in 1620 is the yardstick by which a nation founded in 1776 and all Americans are being judged, then outsiders could be as poorly informed about Americans as Americans themseles are accused of being about others.

When Trump called for the travel bans in response to COVID, he was accused of being xenophobic and racist by the Left in this coutry, and I suppose everywhere else too. Nobody else was taking it very seriously here at that time. Indeed, as late as February 18, Obama was still trying to take credit for the Trump economy, that is where their focus was.
What exactly did Trump not do that killed people? The Governor of New York sent COVID patients into Nursing Homes instead of the Navy Hospital ship Trump sent to NYC. That is a demonstrable fact with many references to back it up. Trump also ramrodded projects that fabircated thousands of ventilators on demand and Warp Speed that got us this vaccine in record time.

BTW- I was quickly corrected when I geeked on Edrogan, but I see "Orange Man" and Cheeto-Man" here, and worse, for Trump.
That gets tiresome very quickly.

Lastly, can Right Wing be referred to without pejoratives like "Far" or "extremist"? We are not all as horrible as the media tries to make out. The truth is, the membership in the Flat Earth Society (at 7,500) is greater than the combined membership in the KKK and Nazi party.
We are not monsters, and we are tired of being spoken of, as to, as if we are.
And if that gets me kicked, then so be it.
Like I said it was time for plain speaking. @Feanor has spoken to the main reasons for my post, but I will add my own. Yes I wrote it deliberately that way to get you to realise what the rest of the world really thinks. You may take offence, but remember this, NZ and Australia have been close friends and partners with the US for 80 years. Sometimes we need to tell each other the unvarnished truth. Kiwis and Aussies are pretty straight shooters and we tell it as it is. We aren't really overly concerned about hurt feelings, with our attitude being take a concrete pill and harden up.

It's part of living in this part of the world, especially in Australia where everything in the animal kingdom wants to kill you: 9 out of the 10 most venomous snakes in the world, salt water crocs that make gators look like minnows, spiders that put tarantulas to shame, man eating dropbears, great white sharks, jelly fish that kill in minutes etc. In NZ we are a paradise in comparison because we have nothing on land that wants to kill you, but we have great white sharks and sea snakes endemic to the north of us. We also live in the Great Southern Ocean and so life here hasn't always been easy. My own people were great warriors who fought incessant tribal wars until the mid 19th Century. We were cannibals and were fierce practioners of the arts of war. Life in Australia has never been easy either once out of the built up areas. That's who we are. We say what we think, especially to friends.
 

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Boogaloo-backed protests on 17 & 20 Jan

One of the valuable things I find about international forums such as these is that it’s a good opportunity to see how other regions of the world tend to view America. Which is useful as it gets away from the more binary left vs right filtered versions of discussion that are often the only ones that get addressed within the US.

The point being, it’s useful to get an outside perspective. And when multiple people from multiple regions/countries/cultures are saying the same thing...
Military.com: National Guard DC presence will swell to 26,000 for Biden inauguration

1. The Americans have an internal security issue that is related to a failure in national education. IMHO, the right to bear arms is not a right to be engaged in an armed insurrection. National Guardsmen mobilized to the District of Columbia are authorized to carry deadly weapons while posted in and around the Capitol, the National Guard Bureau confirmed to Military Times. This reports states that 26,000 National Guard personnel being deployed for 20 Jan 2021; when I am much more concerned with the planned protests on 17 Jan 2021, which has more potential for violence.

2. The above iconic picture (by @erinschaff on 13 Jan 2021) of troops taking a rest break from guarding the capital against the upcoming 17 Jan 2021 (Sun) armed rallies by members of the violent far-right and libertarian boogaloo movement, has an important civil war reference. Incidentally, the plaque on the right wall commemorates Union troops that were quartered there to defend against the last insurrection. The more things change, in America, the more things stay the same. Members of this American boogaloo movement are hoping for a nationwide “armed march” on Capitol Hill and all 50 state capitols.
(a) Though it’s not totally clear how many people are expected to participate in the boogaloo boys backed protests, the 17 Jan 2021 (Sun) events appear to be the next major organizing effort by extremist groups. An iconic boogaloo boy that has been arrested, is Steven Carrillo. Carrillo is a 32-year-old US Air Force sergeant from California, that was charged with the murder of two officers during the George Floyd protests, one in Oakland and another in Santa Cruz.​
(b) Libertarian extremists known as the boogaloo boys are now linked with at least 2 murders. Before being arrested, Steven Carrillo wrote in his own blood the terms "boog" and "I became unreasonable" on a car. Both terms are commonly used by the movement. Members of the boogaloo movement don't necessarily have a really cohesive ideology that brings them all together. They kind of run the gamut of the far right. So many of them are libertarians who are really steeped in gun culture. Others are white supremacists and are overtly racist. So there is a lot of ideological variation among the members of this movement.​
(c) “Many of Us will return on January 19, 2021, carrying Our weapons, in support of Our nation's resolve, to which [sic] the world will never forget!!!" one QAnon supporter wrote on Parler, a right-leaning social media platform that was taken offline on 11 Jan 2021 when Amazon stopped hosting it. "We will come in numbers that no standing army or police agency can match.”​
(d) It is interesting that more than 1,000 political scientists have come to the same consider logical conclusion; that what Trump did is not only morally wrong but illegal (and he should be removed from office). Instead of agreeing with experts, we find that “there is a whole ecosystem, like an alternate reality, that many of these groups migrate to,” said Jonathan Greenblatt, the CEO of the Anti-Defamation League.​
3. 5 people died in Wednesday's violence, including a Capitol police officer. And Krishnamoorthi is just one of several lawmakers who worry about what might be coming next. Looking at the fact check response timings on 6 Jan 2021 (Wed), most civilians are pretty shocked at the lead time to effective deployment.
  • 12:40 p.m.: The first protesters arrive at the Capitol, where Congress is meeting in joint session to certify Joe Biden’s election.
  • 1.p.m.: Trump begins to wrap up his speech at the “Save America” rally at the Ellipse, a park near the White House. He tells rallygoers the presidential election was “stolen” by Democrats and the “fake news media.”
  • 1:26 p.m.: Capitol Police order the evacuation of the Capitol complex.
  • 1:34 p.m.: In a phone call with Secretary of the Army McCarthy, Bowser requests an “unspecified number of additional forces,” according to the Pentagon timeline.
  • 1:49 p.m.: Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund, in a phone call with the commanding general of the D.C. National Guard, Maj. Gen. William Walker, requests immediate assistance, and tells him to prepare to bring in the guard.
  • About 2 p.m.: Rioters breach the Capitol. In an interview with the Washington Post published on Jan. 10, Sund says, “If we would have had the National Guard we could have held them at bay longer, until more officers from our partner agencies could arrive.”
  • 2:10 p.m.: Sund says Irving calls him back with formal approval. But as the Washington Post noted, “Sund finally had approval to call the National Guard. But that would prove to be just the beginning of a bureaucratic nightmare to get soldiers on the scene.”
  • 5:02 p.m.:154 members of the D.C. National Guard leave the D.C. Armory.
  • 5:40 p.m.: The first National Guard personnel arrive at the Capitol. By then, most of the violence had ended.
  • 6 p.m.: A citywide curfew goes into effect.
  • 6:01 p.m.: Trump tweets, “These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!”
 
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It is ironic and tragic as an outsider. Often this country is accused the world over for interference and meddling in the internal affairs of sovereign nations. Waging illegal wars and setting up regime changes. In that sense, what is unfolding today in the US is highly ironic. One could argue that this is a bitter taste of own medicine. Deep division and stupendous hate among the masses. Conspiracy theories rife. Those that used to walk tall and point fingers are today humbled and eager to reset. Who would have even thought just 5 years ago that the USA out of all nations would be facing such a horrendous rebellion? Unthinkable.

Having said that, it is very tragic in the same instance. A country with amazing feats and potential is today suffering due to its own actions.

Some would argue that Trump is responsible for such utter demise. I would argue to the contrary. Trump was simply a manifestation of what was long overdue. The elements of Bible thumpers and gun lovers were always waiting for their moment to shine. The really bad news is that this is not a one off. Trump is just a very insignificant blip of something vastly more sinister in years to come. This was a taste of things to come. The shackles have been unleashed and the genie is out of the bottle. The extreme right wing feels emboldened like never before. The US has a BIG problem with its far right extremists. A very sizeable portion of its population. Solving this problem won't be easy. The Republicans who are torn for the moment are going to cash this moment despite electoral loss.
 
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Terran

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Extremes of both left and right are a BIG problem. The events at the capital were horrible yet put back in context from May 8th 2020 till December 23rd 2020 the US was in an almost continuous set of protests and Riots. With billions in damage, 25 killed, hundreds injured and thousands arrested. The Riot in the capital building by contrast was fairly short. As opposed to the almost month long siege that took place in Portland. To single out the right extreme and this event is disingenuous.
 
Extremes of both left and right are a BIG problem. The events at the capital were horrible yet put back in context from May 8th 2020 till December 23rd 2020 the US was in an almost continuous set of protests and Riots. With billions in damage, 25 killed, hundreds injured and thousands arrested. The Riot in the capital building by contrast was fairly short. As opposed to the almost month long siege that took place in Portland. To single out the right extreme and this event is disingenuous.
No doubt. Extreme on any side of the spectrum is dangerous. Although right wing extremism has time and time again proven it is the bigger danger. The last 5 years are a testimony of this fact. By your own admission the divide is extreme between various factions. That is the most worrisome part without even pointing fingers to any side.
 

Terran

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The bigger danger? Again I think that’s not entirely accurate. I am not saying the Extreme left is more dangerous. We have seen both “sides” act out with large and numerous small scale disruptive destructive and violent actions.
To claim the right is more dangerous I think is more pointing fingers. Our media in The last few decades has openly shown an established bias to the left of the spectrum and as such automatically favors reporting of violence of the Right. So we have to first expand our reference zone to earlier periods to get a more honest view doing so yes we have huge actions of the Right extreme like Oklahoma City yet we also have violent actions and protests as well as groups like the Weather Underground. We also have actions of the left that are more disruptive than directly violent. Case in point the Aspen Co gas lines attack. Leaving thousands without gas heating in the middle of Winter.
Additionally even actions like the Capital building attack often are a mixed bag. Though the majority of those who participated appear to be of the Right. Atleast one individual affiliated with the BLM movement was arrested for partaking in the capital building riot..
So again I say Extreme wings no matter the supposed side are the issue.
 

John Fedup

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I would argue the right is more dangerous simply because many are ex military and thus have better kill skills. They also tend to be more heavily armed.
 

Terran

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Plenty of left in the Military, and being less skilled but armed is more dangerous if anything. I mean we have seen cases where armed leftists militias gathered and had negligent discharges into crowds. They are often more likely to start a problem that way. Case in point.
 

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This is an interesting discussion but please be careful about the political aspects because as posters are aware the Moderators have a very allergic reaction to politics.
 

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1. The final full week of Donald Trump's presidency ended with America in disarray. Today, America is a country fearful about the threats surrounding Inauguration Day in a capital city that has become a fortress; unsettled by new details of the harm that rioters could have inflicted on lawmakers during the 6 Jan 2021 insurrection. Washington Mayor Muriel Bowser urged Americans to avoid the city during Biden's inauguration. Speaking at a news conference, Bowser, a Democrat, stressed that she was concerned about more violent actors potentially coming to the city in the run-up to the inauguration, saying:

"If I'm scared of anything, it's for our democracy, because we have very extreme factions in our country that are armed and dangerous."​

2. IMO, the more capable the extremist group, the more dangerous they are. IMHO, extremist idiots with poor trigger discipline are a greater danger to their own fellow extremist than to:
(a) the Biden admin (from 20 Jan 2021 onwards);​
(b) the current state government run by Governor Jay Inslee; and​
(c) the citywide curfew declared by Muriel Bowser as the Mayor of Washington.​

3. The right wing groups have a PR problem that I have no sympathy for. The left wing groups have a PR problem that I also have no sympathy for. If you look at U.S. history broadly, you see quite a few “rebellions” in which armed groups proclaimed themselves the true and legitimate source of governance – “self-created” bodies, as their opponents denounced them.

4. Early American history is rife with such revolts: events like the Whiskey Rebellion of the 1790s, or the Dorr Rebellion of the 1840s. And, of course, the most violent and widespread rebellion of all, Southern secession. In that sense, perhaps, it was appropriate that many of the 6 Jan 2021 invaders in the Capitol were carrying Confederate flags; given the specific meaning tied to that flag on secession:

Stedman *1: Part of Donald Trump’s strategy since 2016 was to cast doubt on our electoral legitimacy. This strategy was amplified during the pandemic when so much of the country implemented early voting and vote by mail, which Trump and his acolytes relentlessly criticized as fraudulent methods. His strategy was aided and abetted by Fox News and its commentators, as well as by various social media personalities and websites.​
Wednesday was the culmination of that strategy. The electoral count was the last possible chance for Trump to keep power. The strategy was shamefully supported by senators like Josh Hawley of Missouri and Ted Cruz of Texas, as well as key members of the Republican House leadership. This all ratcheted up the stakes of yesterday’s electoral count, and Trump’s supporters were there yesterday to pressure Republicans to bend to the President’s will, and failing that to prevent the count from taking place.​
Sklansky *2: There is a strong and straightforward argument for treating Trump’s words and conduct over the past several weeks, and especially on Wednesday, as grounds for impeachment. The standard for impeachment is “high crimes and misdemeanors,” which is a term meaning, essentially, abuse of power. And it is hard to think of a clearer violation of office, or a more dangerous abdication of duty, than refusing to acknowledge the result of an election voting you out of office, encouraging your supporters to prevent the lawful transfer of power and congratulating them for their violent efforts to do just that.​

5. Not sure if the Americans can find a cure but it’s their own problem to solve. How it is solved is a domestic political choice. However this problem is to be solved, it will not be by Trump or with his input. Trump’s political capital has cratered. A Pew Research Center poll showed that 54% of Americans want to see Trump removed from office and 68% said they don't want to see him continue to be a major national political figure in the years to come. His overall approval rating fell to 29%, the lowest it has ebbed during his presidency.

6. Combined or at war with each other, these left and right wing groups or nut-jobs present an internal security problem that is becoming more mainstream in America. Only the stupid cannot recognise the obvious:
America is a country diminished by stupidity and internal armed dissent.​

*1 Stephen Stedman, senior fellow at FSI
*2 David Sklansky, Stanley Morrison Professor Law; faculty co-director of the Stanford Criminal Justice Center
 
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CheeZe

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the current state government run by Governor Jay Inslee
Not sure what specific threats to Washington State you're referring to and why you're singling out WA. As a resident of the greater Seattle area, I do know that Olympia's security is being beefed up due to reports that all 50 State Capitols and Washington, D.C. are being targeted on Inauguration Day. GOP lawmakers were complaining about the fences and visitor restrictions placed in Olympia for security reasons.

With most of the Puget Sound area being majority Democratic or liberal voters, I would expect armed groups to come from northern, southern, and eastern WA which are more GOP-leaning.
 

CheeZe

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To my understanding, that's been moved into the broader threat of more domestic violence directed at leading Democratic Party figures. There are currently reports of armed protestors already positioned outside the Michigan State Capitol. This is the state where the FBI previously arrested individuals plotting to kidnap Governor Gretchen Whitmer (D) for her mandatory masking order and shutdown of businesses where people congregate.

Armed Protesters Arrive At Michigan Capitol | MSNBC - YouTube
 
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