Australian Army Discussions and Updates

Takao

The Bunker Group
No doubt the HIMARS platform has much more potential and the announcement of the PRsM variants/proposed munitions has got everyone excited are we going for the gold standard again?
No.

HiMARS is about the minimum you need for the gold plated solution that will occur in the next 15 - 20 years. You'll see the posts above, I'm not convinced of the use of a land-based anti-ship missile. So ignoring that (adding that at the moment is gold plating a simple rocket launcher), you have something simple - a multiple launch rocket system.

Now, for something simple, a HiMARS is overkill. I mean, the BM-13 is plenty scary, let alone a Grad. We could just strap a bunch of unguided rockets to the top of a Hilux and crack on. Don't get me wrong, it sounds sarcastic, but for a short-range, tactical land fight, it's perfect. The GLMRS that HiMARS comes with is too much money for such a simple task, even with the nifty variants. What HiMARS brings that is important, and a simple strap on cannot replicate, is the PrSM. More importantly, it brings the PrSM growth plan.

Right now, Australia has no experience with long-range land strike. It's traditionally been provided by the bomber Sqn, but that's less a thing now due to survivability and cost. Navy is coming in to play, especially with Tomahawk, but still face a survivability question. Of course, in those same posts above you'll see that we suffer from a geographical problem, in that none of our likely targets are close. The answer is some form of very high speed, long range missile. Now, that could be ICBM or similar, that'd be almost perfect (excusing cost). But we have no experience with that.

PrSM starts that process. PrSM 1 gives the Land Force experience with 'big' missiles, long-range targeting, and shifts Army from it's 'M777 30km range is amazing' tactical mindset. 500 km range, simple seeker (and hence simple target set). Excellent. Note that the cheap options above all would need a second launcher to provide the 500 km effect - HiMARS can shoot both depending on mission. But still, 500 km is...not enough, although (critical to the point below), it can reach past our EEZ. PrSM 2 - 5 though, they extend range, speed and target set. Come PrSM 5, the Land Force will be capable of very long range, very high speed, cross-domain targeting. Which is impressive compared to now, and rivals anything the RAAF or RAN have/had.

Importantly though, in the 8 - 12 years it takes to build up to PrSM 5, a hypersonic missile can finish R&D, OT&E and come into service. Now you can have the first O5 in command of that unit having been a O4 Sub-unit commander of a PrSM 4/5 Bty and an O2 Tp commander of a PrSM 1/2 Tp. With all the targeting, tactics and 'stuff' around those command positions. That means a capability that can hit the ground running - a genuine cross-continental, hypersonic strike weapon capable of targeting across domains launching from Australia and capable of multiple modes of guidance - all done in a self-sufficient means. F-111's are awesome beasties - but this is orders of magnitude faster, more survivable and greater range.

So that's what HiMARS is. in the short term its a multi-mode rocket launcher (that all others need 2 launchers to do) and in the long term its a self-reliant, genuine capability that offers Australia a sovereign deterrence effect for the first time in our history. HiMARS is a bargin.

Strikemaster is cheaper less capable option but does it have a future with our Pacific partners?
No.

I haven't seen any genuine open source figures that claim it's cheaper, the targeting requirement is well beyond most of our neighbours, and it's a poor option as it cannot reach a nation's EEZ. The Pacific Patrol Boat is a less complex ship compared to an Armidale, but still some neighbours need ADF support (which is more than ok). How they could sustain a OTH missile capability is beyond me.

And it can't reach the edge of the EEZ.....
 

MARKMILES77

Well-Known Member
Great overview of the future Australian Army from Lt General Simon Stuart in a CoveTalk Interview.
Much that was already known but possibly a few things that weren't!

Few Highlights:

Four key intergrating tasks Army will focus on:
1.Multi-Domain Strike.
2.Intergrated Air and Missile Defence
3.Logistics
4.Special Operations

No longer will Battalion Task Groups or Brigades be the "Unit of Action".

We have elevated the Division as The Unit of Action.....
Large scale combat operations are what we are preparing for and to do that we need to be able to operate at the Division level.
In a large scale Pacific conflict which they are planning for.
2nd Division will be based in Australia for Homeland defence.
1st Division would be deployed throughout our immediate region and beyond, presumably mainly for Multi-Domain strike.
Forces Command will be responsible for:
1. Training and
2.Contigency planning to generate the 3rd Division and 4th Division.

Littoral Manoeuvre Group will grow to 3 Littoral Manoeuvre Battalions.

And perhaps letting the cat out of the bag, he says when talking about the 10th Brigade:
We are building the FIRST Himars Battalion.
Seems to imply there will be a second and would certainly go along with the potential order for 48 more Himars Launchers!

First AS-9s and/or Redbacks will start arriving at Army in 2026.

 

old faithful

The Bunker Group
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ADMk2

Just a bloke
Staff member
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Blackhawks number 16 and 17 have arrived in Australia. Apparently two more due before the end of the year.
Not sure why the remaining 21 will take till 2030 to all arrive?
Our place in the production queue. Which was lost when the Government stuffed around for 12 months or more with the NDS.

We have since negotiated early access to some of our aircraft, the rest will take longer. A lot of the “fruit” they are supposed to have will also take longer, something we’ll start to see arriving from 2026 onwards.
 
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