Aircraft Prices

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Aussie Digger

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Re: Aircraft Prices.

The Raptor's about US $160 million a pop at present is it? It will be interesting to see what the flyaway cost of a mid production run F-22 Raptor will be. If it's released for sale and comes down to around US $100 million, I'll bet you'll find a few countries looking to procure a squadron or 2 of them... Even a Silver bullet force of 24 or so fighters would provide an air to air combat capability that is second to none... (Apart from the USAF that is).

I've read that fighters like the F-22 or F-35 JSF will probably be employed in smaller sized Squadrons than current generation fighters (NATO standard squadrons use 20 aircraft at present) and will probably employ around 14 fighters per squadron. A squadron or 2 might become affordable for the capability the F-22 would provide under those circumstances...
 

kashifshahzad

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:coffee I think the prices of these combat air crafts dosent matter but if one country wan to make its defence more solid then it have to buy those air crafts which can fulfill their needs.
Take an example to Israel its 50% budjet goes to defence caz of its strategic position in the area.And the Country like Switzerland woudnt like to buy these air crafts caz it has no enemy.So it on hte whole it depends upon the geostrategic position.
I think Lockheed F-117A Nighthawk and Northrop-Grumman B-2 Spirit are the best but the prices of these aircrafts are very soo let the countries decide which aircrafts they need and how much they reserves posess
 

boylde

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saraab said:
never thought a tomcat was that much expensive than an F16
The F16 is cheaper than the F14 because the F14 is a multirole Naval Fighter Bomber Twin engine and is specially designed for carrier operations While The F16 is A singal engine Air Interceptor or Bomber escort. The F16 also has been made in so many other countrys so that the Cost of program Devalopment is considerably less while the F14 only has a few Export Customers.
 

nz enthusiast

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Some of the pirces seem a litle bit in acccurate and you also got to remeber that alot of the fighters on that list are no longer made so if a country wants them they are going to have to pay to have the production lines re established.
 

Whiskyjack

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Re: Aircraft Prices.

Pathfinder-X said:
Just thought I should update this thread a little.
Hi Pathfinder,

I assume the price is US$?

Also can I ask the source? Is the price fly away per airframe, or does it include spares, equipment etc...?

Sorry for the questions, just my overly orderly mind at work! :)

Very frustrating to find prices per airframe now days, for instance I have seen the prices for a C-130J from us$60 mil to $90 mil.
 

SABRE

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Re: Aircraft Prices.

Pathfinder-X said:
Just thought I should update this thread a little.
Since when did Saudi Arabia had F-16C/D???? They are on the chart.
 

kashifshahzad

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I want to post one thing here read it carefully this can help you to guess the prices of the ACs in the year which you want to know.When you read in the articles that the price of XYZ aircraft was that then you surely want to know that what would the price in this year:

The aircraft prices are given for the year indicated. These are market prices, not production costs. To estimate an aircraft's price for the current year use about 4% annual inflation rate for the U.S. dollar or, for a better estimate, visit one of the financial sites dealing with the U.S. national economy to lookup inflation rates for a particular year. For example, the F-15 Eagle cost $42.875 million in 1991,or about the cost of two fully-equipped late-model Su-30s.
On the average you would see that, despite of computer-aided design, more efficient manufacturing methods, and less expensive materials, prices for combat aircraft of all types are going up at a high rate. This is especially true for Western aircraft and particularly for American combat aircraft. It's either the US aviation industry is too greedy or the US government is too rich.
 

aaaditya

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Re: Aircraft Prices.

kashifshahzad said:
I want to post one thing here read it carefully this can help you to guess the prices of the ACs in the year which you want to know.When you read in the articles that the price of XYZ aircraft was that then you surely want to know that what would the price in this year:

The aircraft prices are given for the year indicated. These are market prices, not production costs. To estimate an aircraft's price for the current year use about 4% annual inflation rate for the U.S. dollar or, for a better estimate, visit one of the financial sites dealing with the U.S. national economy to lookup inflation rates for a particular year. For example, the F-15 Eagle cost $42.875 million in 1991,or about the cost of two fully-equipped late-model Su-30s.
On the average you would see that, despite of computer-aided design, more efficient manufacturing methods, and less expensive materials, prices for combat aircraft of all types are going up at a high rate. This is especially true for Western aircraft and particularly for American combat aircraft. It's either the US aviation industry is too greedy or the US government is too rich.
inflation means the cost of raw materials,as the cost of raw materials go up the inflation also will go up as well as the cost of the product,similiarly if the cost of raw materials go down the prices of the finished product wil also go down. it has nothing to do just with the us governement but affects all manufacturers,for example take the mig21 ,10 years ago it costed just about 4-5 million dollars today the same aircraft if new built would cost 3 to 4 times more,for the cost of 1 f-15 today you can get 100 world war1 fighters(made of wood and fabric)the reason is the f-15 utilizes metal,composites,electronic all of which are more complex to develop and require more raw materials,that is the reason why the cost of modern day aircraft is so high,a couple of years from these raw materials will no longer be readily available or more complex manufacturing procedures will be developed thus increasing the cost of the aircrafts,this phenomenonaffects not only usa but all countries of the world.
 

tonbo

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sadly , nowadays we have representatives thinking more with their wallets rather than their brains when it comes to what to equip their forces with ...

on another note , prices are largely negotiable when it comes to defense equipment , so we can only take what's listed as just a rough guide , since any disclosure of actual numbers may amount to an act of criminal breach of trust for the one who reveals such details , apart from authorized sources
 
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kashifshahzad

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Re: Aircraft Prices.

aaaditya said:
inflation means the cost of raw materials,as the cost of raw materials go up the inflation also will go up as well as the cost of the product,similiarly if the cost of raw materials go down the prices of the finished product wil also go down. it has nothing to do just with the us governement but affects all manufacturers,for example take the mig21 ,10 years ago it costed just about 4-5 million dollars today the same aircraft if new built would cost 3 to 4 times more,for the cost of 1 f-15 today you can get 100 world war1 fighters(made of wood and fabric)the reason is the f-15 utilizes metal,composites,electronic all of which are more complex to develop and require more raw materials,that is the reason why the cost of modern day aircraft is so high,a couple of years from these raw materials will no longer be readily available or more complex manufacturing procedures will be developed thus increasing the cost of the aircrafts,this phenomenonaffects not only usa but all countries of the world.
Aaaditya dont you think that the people now are more hungry for money they want to have more and more money in shorter period of time.The labour cost also increases time by time and the company also want to get more and more profits.I think the manufacturers of the AC get their profits in percentage vise when the price of the raw materials increases they also increase the cost of AC but the increase in the cost is much smaller then the rise in the prices of the ACs.This is a necessity for every country and the bigger players tag their AC with greater prices and the countries which have stable economies go for those planes
 

aaaditya

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Re: Aircraft Prices.

kashifshahzad said:
Aaaditya dont you think that the people now are more hungry for money they want to have more and more money in shorter period of time.The labour cost also increases time by time and the company also want to get more and more profits.I think the manufacturers of the AC get their profits in percentage vise when the price of the raw materials increases they also increase the cost of AC but the increase in the cost is much smaller then the rise in the prices of the ACs.This is a necessity for every country and the bigger players tag their AC with greater prices and the countries which have stable economies go for those planes
the labour costs are high because the cost of living is high,if a person could live a comfortable life for 1 dollar a day then the cost of living would not be high,but sadly this is not true,all basic consumer goods are expensive today than what they were about 10 years back,even materials used in defence applications are also costly like steel,titanium etc as compared to what they were 10 years ago,take for example fuel , 10 years ago it costed half adollar today it costs about a dollar,one of the main treasons for the increasing costs are that the resources of the world are depleting.also you have to take into consideration the manufacturing costs,the more complex the technology them more expensive is the manufacturing costs.
 

Air Marshal

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Re: Aircraft Prices.

Not others but i wants to know about the Prices of following PAF Aircrafts which also used currently by PAF.

- F-7 P/PG
- A-5 Fantan
- Mirage III/IV

If any info like unit price about others then also tell me.
 

Sea Toby

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The South Korean/Lockheed new T-50 Golden Eagle trainers run around $20 million US each (FY07). The US Senate has asked the USAF for a study to replace its ageing T-38 Talons, with the more capability and higher cost of the T-50 being favored over the Navy's T-45 Goshawk.
 

vijayshimla

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Aircraft Prices-RAFALE

News item states that cost including development,pre-production,production and integerated logistical support ( the total cost ?) of 294 Rafales to French Airforce is to be 33.273 Billion Euro- i.e. coming to practically 145 Million US Dollars (2003 ) price each- Not so cheap ?
 

swerve

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vijayshimla said:
News item states that cost including development,pre-production,production and integerated logistical support ( the total cost ?) of 294 Rafales to French Airforce is to be 33.273 Billion Euro- i.e. coming to practically 145 Million US Dollars (2003 ) price each- Not so cheap ?
As you say yourself, that's the price including development & other fixed costs. It also includes French taxes. If more are sold, the fixed costs stay fixed, so the unit price comes down. If only one Rafale had been built, it would have cost over $10 billion. :D That price is significant when you're deciding whether to develop a new aircraft (or anything else, for that matter), but not significant when you've already developed one & paid for the development, & you're looking to sell it. Then, what matters is production cost. To which, of course, will have to be added ancillary costs such as training.

For comparison, the F-22 unit cost is about $350 mn on the same basis. But current ex-factory price has been given at $119 mn. So, you can work it out: buying 4 times as many will roughly double the total cost, & so reduce the unit price by half.
 
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