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aaaditya

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you know it would be better if india went for the hdw214 class of submarine they seem to be miles ahead of the scorpene and also their offer is more attractive.:coffee
 

aaaditya

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well here is some interesting news(i believe it belongs here).

Arms-laden ship detained

Kolkata port authorities in touch with Indonesia




KOLKATA: : A cargo vessel carrying arms, ammunition and a large quantity of explosives headed for Indonesia has been detained by the Kolkata Port Trust authorities at the Kidderpore docks following a request from the local customs authorities.

The customs authorities had sought time to check on details concerning the delivery of the consignment before allowing MV Eugenia to leave the berthing docks, Anup Kumar Chanda, Chairman, Kolkata Port Trust, told The Hindu here on Sunday.

The matter has been referred to the customs authorities in New Delhi who will be seeking a confirmation regarding the delivery of the consignment from the Indonesian officials concerned. The vessel, registered in the Honduras, arrived at the Kidderpore docks last week and was to have set sail on Friday.

UNI reports:

Official sources said, ``the vessel has been carrying arms, ammunition and 20 tonnes of explosives. It's a huge consignment and a serious matter. Unless Indonesian authorities inform us that this consignment is meant for them, we cannot allow the vessel to leave the Kidderpore docks."

``The vessel was still unloading iron pipes brought from Romania and it may take a couple of more days to complete it,'' they added. Sources in the Kolkata Port Trust said the ship had been taking a long time to unload the iron pipes because only one crane was being used. The vessel also developed a hole on Saturday and the crewmembers were busy repairing it.

http://www.hindu.com/2005/09/05/stories/2005090505591500.htm

:coffee
so what do you guys think will the vessel be confisticated or released,this is the second such incident in the last 12 years ,last time it was a north korean vessel carrying surface to surface missile parts which was captured after a raid at haldia port and the vessel and the cargo were confisticated(they listed the cargo as sugar,which was found to be missile parts and blueprints hindden in a false compartment).:D
 

aaaditya

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sindhugosh is coming back with new teeth.

Indian sub completes tests in Russia's north
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[ TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 06, 2005 10:05:47 AM ]
MOSCOW: An Indian submarine that has been undergoing maintenance and upgrading work in Russia's north, has completed a series of tests in the White Sea naval test grounds, the Interfax news agency reported.

The Sindhugosh diesel-electric Kilo-class submarine was brought to Russia's Zvyozdochka shipyards for planned repairs in 2002 and is due to be turned over to the Indian navy in late October, Zvyozdochka's officials said late on Monday.

As part of the upgrading, the sub had been equipped with a new Club-S anti-ship missile unit, and had its hydro-acoustic equipment and combat control and navigation systems upgraded.

Two other Indian subs, Sindhuratna and Sindhuvir, had already been repaired at Zvyozdochka and another, Sindhuvijai, is next in line.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshowbnews/1221542.cms

well i believe sindhugosh was fitted with the indian ushus sonar which was found to be superior to the russian sonar.:coffee
 

aaaditya

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well the deal has been announced.



India orders 6 Franco-Spanish submarines

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[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Posted online: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 at 1919 hours IST[/font]


[font=Arial, sans-serif]Paris, September 6: India has ordered six submarines developed by a group of French and Spanish companies in a deal worth 2.4 billion euros, newspaper La Tribune reported on its web site on Tuesday.

order for Scorpene submarines will generate revenue of 1.2 billion euros for Armaris, a unit of French shipbuilder DCN and defence electronics group Thales, the paper said.

Officials at Thales were not immediately available for comment, but a DCN spokeswoman cautioned that "the Indian government had not notified Armaris of its approval".

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=54121&headline=India~orders~6~Franco-Spanish~submarines#compstory

finally , now i hope they take a quick decision regarding the second submarine line.:coffee
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aaaditya

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hey guys ins betwa has become the first indian warship to have an indigenously designed combat management system known as the emmca.

INS Betwa is India's first warship with combat data systems

SOMEWHERE IN THE ARABIAN SEA: Guided missile frigate, Betwa , has reserved a place for itself in the navy’s hall of fame by becoming the first Indian warship to have successfully integrated indigenous combat data systems with a wide variety of foreign/Indian weapons and sensors onboard.
Commissioned into the Navy last July, the steampowered frigate has combined Bharat Electronics Ltd-designed EMCCA (Equipment Modular for Command and Control Application) systems with its gunnery, anti-submarine weapons and sensors to synchronise the ship’s fighting capabilities.

Other naval ships have married European/Russian technology platforms with their weapons and sensors in a fashion that enables commanders to arrive at accurate engagement decisions during combat.

Dubbed as ‘ The Tenacious Torrent’ , Betwa belongs to the Brahmaputra class of guided missile frigates. While Brahmaputra was the first warship to be equipped with the BEL combat data systems four years ago, it is Betwa that has validated the indigenous technology platform.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1223686.cms :coffee
 

aaaditya

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well seems indo-indonesian joint patrols have begun.

INDIA INDONESIA CO-ORDINATED PATROL BEGINS </FONT>[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]15:59 IST [/font]The fifth India Indonesia Co-ordinated Patrol got underway with the arrival of Indonesian Naval Ship KRI Teuku Umar, commanded by Major Irvansyah, at Port Blair on 01 Sep 05. Colonel Aswoto Saranang, the Commanding Officer Naval Base Sabang, was also embarked onboard the ship as Senior Officer. The Indonesian naval ship is a Parchim class corvette of German origin, an advanced patrol ship with antisubmarine warfare capabilities. The ship joined the Indonesian Naval Fleet in 1997 and is presently based at Jakarta.

The present patrol will last from 01 to 30 Sep 05. From the Indian side, four ships comprising guided missile corvette INS Kulish, Landing Ship Tank INS Mahish and two Fast Attack Crafts Tarassa and Tilanchong are taking part in the coordinated patrol. The objective of coordinated patrol is to enhance mutual understanding and inter-operability between the two navies and conduct joint patrol to prevent smuggling, piracy, drug trafficking, sea pollution and illegal fishing.

The first India-Indonesia Coordinated patrol commenced in September 2002 following an agreement between the two governments on cooperative activities in the field of defence. Since then, four joint patrols have been successfully executed along the International Boundary Line (IBL) between the two countries in accordance with mutually agreed guidelines and procedures.
 

aaaditya

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well seems that the russian willnow be setting up a maintainence facility in india.


Russia launches pilot project on military hardware maintenance in India


21:32|08/ 09/ 2005



NEW DELHI, September 8 (RIA Novosti) - The Russian-Indian joint venture Rosoborontekhservis India, seeking to provide technical maintenance for Russian vessels on service in Indian Navy, was unveiled Thursday in New Delhi.

Anatoly Nigreyev, the director of the newly formed concern, said the enterprise would be responsible for all kinds of technical maintenance and repairs and for supplying parts for Indian Naval vessels and submarines.

Military experts estimate that Russian-produced vessels account for 70% of the Indian Navy.

The new joint venture consists of seven enterprises of the Russian defense complex and Rosoboronexport, which has the largest share in the new company. The Indian Navy's repair market is estimated at $200 million annually.

http://en.rian.ru/business/20050908/41343380.html :coffee
 

aaaditya

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well here is another interesting article (indo-russia-china trilateral excercises)

Russians are coming amid talk of trilateral pact


NEW DELHI, SEPT 7: Top guns from the Russian armament industry are visiting India on September 8 for high-powered presentation to the Indian Navy and the ministry of defence.


This is the first time in the history of Indo-Russian defence cooperation that such a high-level delegation led by major-general Viacheslav Dzirkaln, deputy director FS MTS, is coming here. The visit coincides with news that Russia is making efforts for a Russian-Chinese-Indian military cooperation initiative.

According to reports in the Russian media, Russian defence minister Sergei Ivanov has made a proposal to India to hold major Russian-Chinese-Indian military exercises similar to the recent manoeuvers it had held with China last month. The 20-member Russian team shall present to the defence ministry and the Indian Navy on Friday, the framework under which the new joint venture, Rosoboronservice India Ltd, has been put together to resolve India’s long standing problems with regard to after sales service and maintenance of Soviet and Russian supplied naval assets.

here is the full article:

http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=101819 :coffee
 

Defcon 6

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aaaditya said:
well here is another interesting article (indo-russia-china trilateral excercises)

Russians are coming amid talk of trilateral pact


NEW DELHI, SEPT 7: Top guns from the Russian armament industry are visiting India on September 8 for high-powered presentation to the Indian Navy and the ministry of defence.


This is the first time in the history of Indo-Russian defence cooperation that such a high-level delegation led by major-general Viacheslav Dzirkaln, deputy director FS MTS, is coming here. The visit coincides with news that Russia is making efforts for a Russian-Chinese-Indian military cooperation initiative.

According to reports in the Russian media, Russian defence minister Sergei Ivanov has made a proposal to India to hold major Russian-Chinese-Indian military exercises similar to the recent manoeuvers it had held with China last month. The 20-member Russian team shall present to the defence ministry and the Indian Navy on Friday, the framework under which the new joint venture, Rosoboronservice India Ltd, has been put together to resolve India’s long standing problems with regard to after sales service and maintenance of Soviet and Russian supplied naval assets.

here is the full article:

http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=101819 :coffee
And the cold war is back with a vengance. I knew the Russians were up to something.
 

Defcon 6

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kashifshahzad said:
SEE THIS FIRST

Service
U.S. Air Force
U.S. Marine Corps
U.S. Navy
U.K. Royal Navy

Variants
Conventional Takeoff and Landing (CTOL)
Short Takeoff and Vertical Landing (STOVL)
Carrier-based (CV)

Unit CostFY94$
$28M
$35M
$38M

Inventory Objectives
U.S. Air Force 2,036 aircraft (CTOL)
U.S. Marine Corps642 aircraft (STOVL)
U.K. Royal Navy60 aircraft (STOVL)
U.S. Navy300 aircraft (CV)

Now mate what do you say how much you will get out of 60 :p:

The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter won't be offered for export.
 

tatra

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Defcon 6 said:
The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter won't be offered for export.
Oh really? I hope you mean "not for export to India" because else my government - which is paying a nice sum into F-35 development - will be really really pissed off.
 

gf0012-aust

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tatra said:
Oh really? I hope you mean "not for export to India" because else my government - which is paying a nice sum into F-35 development - will be really really pissed off.
I think there will be about eight countries asking for refunds - as well as redefining their orbats....

Lets see, the United Kingdom, Italy, the Netherlands, Turkey, Canada, Australia, Denmark, Norway are existing Tier1, 2 and 3 partners and now Singapore is sitting in the wings as a future buyer pending 20012-2015.

Nope definitely not for export. ;)
 

aaaditya

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gf0012-aust said:
I think there will be about eight countries asking for refunds - as well as redefining their orbats....

Lets see, the United Kingdom, Italy, the Netherlands, Turkey, Canada, Australia, Denmark, Norway are existing Tier1, 2 and 3 partners and now Singapore is sitting in the wings as a future buyer pending 20012-2015.

Nope definitely not for export. ;)
can any other country join the jsf project at this stage now(let's say make monetary investments in the project or the associated systems.)
does usa need to acquire permission of all the participating countries if they want to offer some susbsystems(like the aesa,avionics and the engine) of the jsf on say f-16's being sold to a non member of the jsf club.:coffee
 

aaaditya

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finally the scorpene deal has been signed,it's been confirmed by the french president.(saw it in ndtv news)


France confirms India's submarine purchase

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[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Posted online: Monday, September 12, 2005 at 1805 hours IST[/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Updated: Monday, September 12, 2005 at 1807 hours IST[/font]

[font=Arial, sans-serif]Paris, September 12: India is to purchase six Scorpene submarines developed by a group of French and Spanish companies and 43 planes from European aircraft maker Airbus, French President Jacques Chirac said on Monday.[/font]


Chirac confirmed the purchases during a visit by Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to Paris.

"I am happy that the Prime Minister is today confirming India's decision concerning the purchase of 6 Scorpene submarines and 43 Airbus planes," Chirac said. French defence electronics group Thales said its part of the submarine deal is worth close to 600 million euros ($739.4 million).
Thales said in a statement that the Indian government had chosen Armaris, a joint venture between Thales and French shipbuilder DCN, as prime contractor for the technology transfer programme for the submarines, which will be built in India.


The submarine deal, initially estimated to be worth about $1.8 billion, is the latest in a series of defence purchases by New Delhi which is on a modernising spree of its ageing, largely Russian-origin military equipment.

It comes on the back of $5.7 billion worth of arms purchases by New Delhi last year, which took it past Saudi Arabia and China to become the developing world's leading buyer, according to a US Congress study.

The French submarine deal involves the manufacture of six Scorpene SSK-class submarines at a naval dockyard in Mumbai. The new submarines will replace ageing vessels in the Indian navy's fleet of 16 diesel submarines.

Singh said last week he had cleared the purchase of 43 aircraft from European plane maker Airbus for state-run Indian Airlines to replace its ageing fleet. The value of this contract would be in the region of $2.2 billion, he said. Airbus is 80 per cent owned by the European Aeronautic Defence And Space Co (EADS) and 20 per cent by BAE Systems.

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=54519
http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/sep/12def.htm?q=tp&file=.htm

http://www.ndtv.com/topstories/showtopstory.asp?slug=India%2C+France+strategic+partners%3A+Singh&id=17741&category=National :coffee
 

ajay_ijn

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well finally seems the brahmos has been inducted in the navy(the kashin class vessels would be able to carry 8 of them).
also they will be provided guidance by the israeli uav's
This gr8 news, i was really waiting to see when brahmos will be inducted.

Cruise Missile Guidance given by a UAV!!!!

its is the first time i am hearing, gf is it seriously possible?

http://www.forceindia.net/cover2.asp
In future, all five of the navy's Kashin II-class DDGs will be upgraded to carry the BrahMos in a similar configuration. The missiles on board will be capable of both maritime strike and land attack. Efforts are now underway to integrate the BrahMos' navigation and guidance systems with high-speed data links that will be able to receive course-correction and terminal guidance cues from the navy's Heron II unmanned aerial vehicles and maritime patrol/ASW aircraft launched from shore-based air bases and equipped with SAR payloads, as well as from the ship-borne Kamov Ka-31 airborne early warning helicopter. Currently, as part of on-going efforts to achieve a fair degree of proficiency in network-centric warfare, the IN's three Project 15-class DDGs, three Project 1135.6-class guided-missile frigates and the aircraft carrier INS Viraat are equipped with high-speed data links through which tactical control of the IN's Israel Aircraft Industries/MALAT-built Searcher Mk2 and Heron II UAVs (up to a range of 300km) is exercised while at sea for real-time maritime reconnaissance
 

aaaditya

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well here is an interesting news on the scorpene (it is a thales press release):

[font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Success for Thales in India on Scorpene submarine programme[/font]
[font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Neuilly-sur-Seine, France, 12 Sep 2005 [/font]
[font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]The Indian government has chosen Armaris, a joint venture between Thales and DCN, as prime contractor for the technology transfer programme under which six conventionally propelled Scorpène submarines will be built in India.

For Thales, the contract is worth nearly € 600 million.

As well as assuming prime contracting responsibilities through Armaris and providing assistance to the Indian shipbuilder Mazagon Dock Limited, Thales will supply key subsystems for the submarines' six SUBTICS(r) integrated combat systems, including underwater sensors, communications and optronics, and electronic warfare equipment.

The Thales Group welcomes the Indian government's decision, which signals a strengthening of the long-standing cooperation that has existed between India and France.

Denis Ranque, Thales Chairman and CEO added, "I am particularly proud of this success in India, brought about by the Armaris branch. This is the second submarine programme, after Malaysia, to which Thales contributes both technological and commercial expertise, thanks to the excellence of its international network."

Thales in India
Thales has been active in India for more than 50 years. The Group enjoys a strong cooperative relationship with the Indian armed forces and has provided equipment, systems and support for numerous platforms in service with the country's land, air and naval forces. Thales also has a strong presence in civil aviation (particularly as an equipment supplier for the Airbus airliners in service with Air India and Indian Airlines), and in the air navigation sector. Thales electronic fare collection systems have also been selected for the Delhi and Calcutta metros. As part of its multidomestic strategy, Thales recently expanded its local presence in India, setting up a new company in New Delhi in 2003. The new company, Thales International India, offers a range of IT and support services for local civil and military programmes.

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http://www.thalesgroup.com/press/press_releases/1_9099_236_11801.html :coffee
 

aaaditya

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well here is another interesting news article.



US offers eight P-3C Orion surveillance aircraft to IndiaBANGALORE, SEP 14 (PTI)

The US has offered to sell eight P-3C Orion naval reconnaissance aircraft to India and New Delhi is examining the proposal, Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Arun Prakash said today.

The US has offered to modernise eight old P-3C Orion planes and supply to India, he told reporters here.

"We are examining that offer," the Naval Chief said.

Admiral Prakash said India needs some maritime reconnaissance aircraft as "we lost a few and some have retired." "So, we are looking out for a replacement. This (the US offer) is one of the candidates." Russia has also offered to sell naval reconnaissance aircraft to India, said the Naval chief who earlier inaugurated the 46th annual conference of the Indian Society of Aerospace Medicine here.

Pakistan has recently taken delivery of eight P-3C Orion patrol aircraft from the US. The planes, worth up to USD 970 million, were provided free of cost.

Orions, manufactured by US defence firm Lockheed Martin, are long-range maritime patrol aircraft with an endurance of 18 hours, reports said.

On the Scorpene submarines deal with France, the Naval chief said once India starts producing submarines, "our force level will be adequate to meet any threat." He said India will build six submarines at Mazgaon dock in Mumbai under license from the French.

"From the date the contract is signed which should be very shortly, the first submarine should be out in five or six years," Admiral Prakash said.

"After the first production of six submarines is over, we will design and produce our own submarines," he said. "We are required to have certain force level of submarines which were slowly running down because they were getting old and being decommissioned," he added Admiral Prakash said China is helping Pakistan to build a commercial port but it's not a cause for concern for New Delhi "at this moment." Asked if he anticipated "much more than that" (Chinese going beyond helping Pakistan in port building), he said "We are watching. We will see what happens in the future. We are prepared for any future developments. At this moment, there is no cause for concern or alarm to us." The Naval Chief said he was unaware of any move by Beijing to set up a naval intelligence unit in Pakistan or a naval base in that country.

http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=322836 :coffee
 
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