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12 PC-24 and 24 PC-21, however what be more intriguing is the possible notion of those PC-21 will be station at UAE as part of Flying School.

Now this company E-System Sollution EZ also working with Indonesian MinDef to provide agressor squadron using refurbished Mig 29 (under this company ownership). Could this PC-21 actually owned by them with TNI-AU as client, or they are operators under contract from TNI-AU as owner and main users.

One thing that seems more and more plausible. Mindef seems working on with this company to provide different training regime, then what TNI-AU current training infrastructure.

swerve said:

Even seeing it under a wing, in flight, isn't proof of integration. It could be a fit test before deciding whether to proceed with integration. It would show that both parties have a serious interest in integration, though, & I agree that seems to be the case here.

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Well that's why I gave similarities example with BAe offer for Hawk 200 on option for BVR Missile with Skyflash. In the 80's they market Skyflash as weapon options, shown the Skyflash in major airshow as part of Hawk 200 weapons portfolio. However that option not being use, as none of 3 users choose BVR option.

Just like Hawk 200 example, M346FA clearly also marketed with BVR option. It is back toward any potential or current users that want to exercise or modified that option. Still it is in my opinion Leonardo have stronger BVR stance then KAI with FA-50 Blk 20 BVR option with AIM-120. As so far US seems not provide yet the clearence, eventough KAI and Raytheon clearly already done work toward that.

Indonesia Defense Minister talk with his Australia counterparts on the plan on developing Morotai AB as joint international defence training area. The AB is an ex US AB developed in WW2.

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The image from enthusiats in X with ID Alphanovember. Put it here as could it be after all speculations in various potential procurent, in the end TNI-AU will have both of them as main fleet ? Rafale already with the talk of additional 18, while KF-21 Blk2 seems gaining momentum. Both will use Meteor as main BVR.

Could this talk of Su-35, J-10B/C and JF-17 become serious or only just talk ? Could Rafale and KF-21 can be TNI-AU main fleet in Western Indonesia, while Su-30/35 and J-10 in Eastern Indonesia ?

An Enthusiast id Fadli in Indonesian forum put this summary base on what already in inventory, in contract, and rumours already in serious engagement.

What being rumours are BUK-MB2K from Belarus and HQ-9 from China. The operators also different, with Trisula using Hisar and Siper going to be operate by Army, The Air Force operate Nasams and HQ9, while BUK being rumours either operate by Army or Marines.

NASAMS is the only ITAR missile in this portfolio planning. This not include ship based SAM that will be MBDA VL Mica, MBDA Aster, and Roketsan Siper.

Further batch for Rafale is in intense negotiation for finalisation. If this happen, this is mean 5th batch contract as:

1. First Batch contract for 6 Rafale F4,
2. Second Batch contract for 18 Rafale F4,
3. Third Batch contract for 18 Rafale F4,
4. Fourth Batch contracf for Armament supplies,
5. Fifth Batch contract (potentially between 12-18) for more Rafale F4.

#5th if being taken, potentialy it will make 60 Rafale F4, and by quantity and amount size will make the biggest fighter purchase in Indonesia since Soeharto fall. Last time big quantity procurement happen in the 90's for 40 Hawk 200/100.

All thing consider, including geopolitics and fiscal pressure, if this contract being taken, it will raise question on availability of fiscal to execute More Flankers, or J-10. As KF-21, by end of this month, Prabowo going to Seoul to talk on Economics and Investment cooperation. However it is also being rumours to finalise KF-21 question Indonesia looks to revive KF-21 contract with Block 2 acquisition on Indonesia involvement in the program.

More Flankers and J-10 is rumours aim on interim fighters for Eastern Indonesia Airspaces. The contracts for both Fighters is more low profille then Rafale and KF-21. Indicating in my opinion that they will come directly from Rusia and China active inventory. Something more low key as second hand assets this days are more politically sensitive.

As for me, if both Rafale and KF-21 being execute, it is doubtfull at present global economic pressure, they can afford interim fighters. Hopw they just keep present Flanker and F-16 until early next decade when all Rafale and hopefully KF-21 can come.

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An Enthusiast id Fadli in Indonesian forum put this summary base on what already in inventory, in contract, and rumours already in serious engagement.

What being rumours are BUK-MB2K from Belarus and HQ-9 from China. The operators also different, with Trisula using Hisar and Siper going to be operate by Army, The Air Force operate Nasams and HQ9, while BUK being rumours either operate by Army or Marines.

NASAMS is the only ITAR missile in this portfolio planning. This not include ship based SAM that will be MBDA VL Mica, MBDA Aster, and Roketsan Siper.

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What a mess...

I don't understand why they have to source BUK from Belarus, why can't they just find a Chinese equivalent. Heck, replace Mistral with QW-3 too. At least with the Chinese, their industrial base can support a large order of missile.

Honestly I hope TNI is smart enough to see from the wars in Ukraine and Middle East that you need both volume and layers for AD.

Arji said:

Honestly I hope TNI is smart enough to see from the wars in Ukraine and Middle East that you need both volume and layers for AD.

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I think they see that, and MinDef try to build that. However the way that seems going on the procurement have combination of affordabilities and sources diversification.

Basically it will be Roketsan and MBDA sources on main idea, with Trisula system and Ship base system. However now seems some in MinDef believe Russia-Belarus and Chinese sources need also to be taken. Why ? Well in my opinion again 'politics' playing with business opportunities.


Looking on this they clearly try to source SSM with Cakir and Atmaca and SAM with Hisar and Sungur. Sungur basically Shoorad that can replace QW3 in the inventory. I think some guys in MinDef believe on stop gaps needed. So this BUK I don't think going to be source much, just like NASAMS.

Some revision that I need to make:

1. Trisula system (ADS-400) will be use by TNI-AU (Air Force) not TNI-AD (Army) as previously I put in previous post. Some conflicting rumours whether Trisula will use both Hisar and Siper, or only Hisar. To be remind ADS-400 is joint project between Turkiye Roketsan and Czech Excalibur Group, with local partner Republikorp.
2. Thus TNI-AU will operate Nasams, Trisula, and HQ-9, for Medium and Long range air defense.

So far eventough it is rumours the Marines also looking for BUK for their medium air defense, but seems so far only TNI-AD that shown serious interest TNI AD Ikuti Pelatihan Sistem Pertahanan Udara BUK di Belarusia - Indonesiadefense.com | Informasi Berita Terkini dan Terbaru Hari Ini Hankam Dan TNI %. Thus indication the Army will build layer air defence with their Shorad of Mistral and Starstreak and Medium Air Defense with BUK.

The multiple sources seems for MinDef again going to be hedge to Link ID:


In sense this is what MinDef hope for as Pakistan have their Link 17 or Egypt have their own RISC3 C5ISR system.


Both Pakistan and Egypt also use multiple sources assets. Seems something that Indonesia MinDef try to replicate with Link ID. Whether Link ID will perform well as data integration gate ways, that's the question.

Arji said:

What a mess...

I don't understand why they have to source BUK from Belarus, why can't they just find a Chinese equivalent. Heck, replace Mistral with QW-3 too. At least with the Chinese, their industrial base can support a large order of missile.

Honestly I hope TNI is smart enough to see from the wars in Ukraine and Middle East that you need both volume and layers for AD.

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Don't worry too much, this overview is made by a fanboy based on "rumours", which you can often find on Facebook or Twitter.

For decades TNI is a SHORAD armed forces. At least TNI-AU has the NASAMS II (with insufficient AIM-120 missiles) and at least TNI-AL has several frigates with VLS-cells (without MICA/ASTER missiles). So lets stay positive.



Something else, this is the AKM KI-50, a recently developed kamikaze UAV/drone. This video compared it with the Shahed -136 because of the similar delta wings, but it is much smaller and driven by an electric motor, which makes it harder to detect when in operation. The maximum range and endurance are quite short, around 20 km and 30-40 minutes.

Just to remind what is that make of ADS-400 Trisula system. Hisar-U that what's call now by Roketsan as Siper Mk1, while Hisar-O which now mostly marketed by Rokersan as https://www.roketsan.com.tr/products/hisar-air-defence-missiles their Mid-Range Anti Air system. Equivalent with NAASAMS, VL MICA, BARAK or K-SAM.

Few days old., but put it here recently after examine recent rumours development. It is been speculate that the meeting between the two president (as mentioned at post #3,584) will finalise Indonesia involvement in the program.

Base on this Korean media and rumours in here, Indonesia still commited to 48 KF-21 if the negotiations meet. Rumours on negotiation imvolve 16 going come directly from KAI facility, and 32 will be assemble by DI on their Final Assembly Line that already being prepared.

However the investment for that FAL in DI are progressing very slowly and seems not getting enough priority. Thus if Indonesia continue in the program, there's also potential that the DI involvement more on parts supply chain and not entirely FAL.

Talking about assembly line:

Found this at FB, from local history channel shown Sea Plane assembly facility that Netherland Indies military set up around a Century ago. Now except for N219, NC212i and CN235, most other DI work also mostly doing assembly.

Another Korea media that claim got official information from ROK official. It is confirm according to this that 16 KF-21 order from Indonesia as first export. Some talk as Indonesia is junior partner on the program, the TNI-AU version will be similar with what ROKAF. Not the plan export version that being said going to be marketed by KAI later on.

Is there any details on the difference between the ROKAF version and the export one?

From Korean Forums, all I can gather is some talk from KAI official on reducing US components for Export version. This to reduce potential US export license permision. Including option for non US missiles and armament. In such that US major components left will be Engine.

Indonesia MinDef before talk to get KF-21 Blk2, as they want the multirole version rather the Air Defence version of Blk 1. Blk 2 being talk going to be in production by end 2027-2028. Either way, the order I'm quite sure will be South Korea moves to speed up KF-21 Block 2, maritime helicopter acquisitions put at ROKAF production batches, in order to save time. As KAI has not produce Export version yet, only begin to market this as customer need options.

Ananda said:

From Korean Forums, all I can gather is some talk from KAI official on reducing US components for Export version. This to reduce potential US export license permision. Including option for non US missiles and armament. In such that US major components left will be Engine.

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If there's no significant difference in capability, you'd think that TNI-AU and the government would much prefer the variant with less US component in it. But I guess they don't want to wait that long.

Arji said:

If there's no significant difference in capability, you'd think that TNI-AU and the government would much prefer the variant with less US component in it. But I guess they don't want to wait that long.

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Personally I also think that before, but considering they are hoping to get this first batch of 16 by 2028 (again rumours on negotiation), I still believe it has to be on same production batches with what ROKAF order.

Anyway TNI-AU already have ITAR free fighters from Euro suppliers (Rafale). I know the lobby for Su-35 and J-10 getting traction to suplement Flankers in eastern Indonesia. Considering the current fiscal pressure, I have doubt on that, as Russia and China usually need higher cost financing.

Two Rafale C-F4 for TNI-AU, were leaving Dasault facility on Bordeaux to French AB at Istress. This ussualy mean both of them are in preparation to be send to Indonesia.

Circulating online from Swiderek and Goose Willy FB, on TNI-AU Rafale B-F4 # T-0304. This will be the fourth Rafale B. Thus with already two Rafale C being prepared, then this fourth Rafale B can make the third Fighter to be send to Indonesia as 2nd flight of Batch 1.

From Keris FB


TNI-AU second A400M npw using Canada airspace on the route to Indonesia. The war really mess up the routes back. First the second PPA and KRI Canopus (Hydrographic Vessels) has to use longer Africa route, now the second A400M has to use North America route.


Video when the plane leaving Airbus Military facility on Sevile. From FB id Indra Jaya. From the flag shown it will use Spain-Canada-Japan-Indonesia route.