Royal Australian Navy Discussions and Updates 2.0

[iambuzzard]

Batches, Vs for the first three, N for the next five and Q for the five after that.

Yes I believe we will end up with more than 11, these are really flexible, game changing ships.

Look not just at the cancelled corvettes from the 90s, look at the multirole combatants from the Rudd era white paper, 20 plus ships to replace PBs Mine hunters and hydro ships. Mogami is the type of ship we would have been looking to as a replacement for these had they been built.

These are modern day sloops.

With 32 VLS, 8 ASMs, a 127mm gun, and SeaRAM CIWS. Plus mine laying and anti submarine capabilities. Some sloops!!!! Seriously though, these are definitely game changers Volks. If we can learn to pump these out like the Japanese we'll be in a safer space.

 

[iambuzzard]

I wonder if the Mogami's will be delivered with SeaRAM?

If they are, will the RAM use the system on other platforms?

I suppose maybe they could be delivered without and the RAN could fit Phalanx.

Is it possible to fit both? Layer upon layer. Both systems have limited magazines, but can at least be reloaded at sea.

 

[JBRobbo]

Noosa (Sunshine Coast), Murrumbidgee (Wagga+), Tamar (Launceston), Fitzroy (Rockhampton), Barcoo (Geelong), Ross (Townsville), Murray (Albury-Wodonga, Mildura+), Pioneer (Mackay), Tweed (Gold Coast), Burnett (Wide-Bay), Hawkesbury (Central Coast) - all rivers that pass through our next biggest population centres that don't already have a ship named after them i.e. Adelaide (Torrens), Hobart (Derwent), Perth (Swan), Parramatta (Sydney), Hunter (Newcastle) etc.

 

[iambuzzard]

Noosa (Sunshine Coast), Murrumbidgee (Wagga+), Tamar (Launceston), Fitzroy (Rockhampton), Barcoo (Geelong), Ross (Townsville), Murray (Albury-Wodonga, Mildura+), Pioneer (Mackay), Tweed (Gold Coast), Burnett (Wide-Bay), Hawkesbury (Central Coast) - all rivers that pass through our next biggest population centres that don't already have a ship named after them i.e. Adelaide (Torrens), Hobart (Derwent), Perth (Swan), Parramatta (Sydney), Hunter (Newcastle) etc.

Good suggestions.

 

[Volkodav]

With 32 VLS, 8 ASMs, a 127mm gun, and SeaRAM CIWS. Plus mine laying and anti submarine capabilities. Some sloops!!!! Seriously though, these are definitely game changers Volks. If we can learn to pump these out like the Japanese we'll be in a safer space.

Look at what a sloop was in WWII, it was a slower, more flexible destroyer that could do mine sweeping. Frigates / Destroyer Escorts and before them, corvettes, were smaller, less capable, less flexible ships than sloops.

 

[AndyinOz]

The more I read the last few posts on this thread the more the idea of potentially using river names grows on me (getting ahead of ourselves of course since the decision has only just been made but for a little fun its interesting to think about) I think geopolitically it would be a nice nod to our Japanese partners since it appears they were willing to pull out all the stops to make it happen. I like the suggestion as others have said that some of our lesser thought of rivers might get a look in if we go that way one from each state and then perhaps also the more well known ones such as Torrens etc. HMAS Tweed has a bit of a ring to it I think considering where I hail from.

 

[spoz]

Duplicate

 

[spoz]

1884 with the Victorian torpedo boat HMVS Napean.

Here's some examples of names I'd like to see given to RAN ships

Captain Stanley Darling (HMAS Darling)
Captain Harry Leslie Howden (HMAS Howden)
Rear Admiral Galfrey George Ormond Gatacre (HMAS Gatacre)
Vice Admiral Sir Henry Mackay Burrell (HMAS Burrell)
Midshipman Robert Ian Davies (HMAS Davies)
Captain Allan Paterson Cousin (HMAS Cousin)
Rear Admiral William John Dovers (HMAS Dovers)
Third Officer Ruby Boye (HMAS Boye)
Vice Admiral Sir Wilfred Hastings Harrington (HMAS Harrington)
Lieutenant Commander Arthur Henry Callaway (HMAS Callaway)
Lieutenant Commander Kenneth Robert Hudspeth (HMAS Hudspeth)
Lieutenant Commander James Collier Buchanan (HMAS Buchanan)
Commodore John Malet Armstrong (HMAS Armstrong)
Rear Admiral John Saumarez Dumaresq (HMAS Dumaresq)

If anyone would like information about these people they should all have information about their careers and actions online. Otherwise I'd be happy to explain my reasoning for listing them.

No, just, no. And yes, I know the story of each of them; it’s why I proposed some of those names for locations in certain Navy facilities. But ships? No.

If it was me, which it isn’t, Culgoa, Barwon, Gascoyne, Shoalhaven, Lachlan, Warrego, Torrens, Derwent, Swan, Barcoo, Murchison, Condamine. Each of those has significant historical reasons to be repeated.

 

[spoz]

Noosa (Sunshine Coast), Murrumbidgee (Wagga+), Tamar (Launceston), Fitzroy (Rockhampton), Barcoo (Geelong), Ross (Townsville), Murray (Albury-Wodonga, Mildura+), Pioneer (Mackay), Tweed (Gold Coast), Burnett (Wide-Bay), Hawkesbury (Central Coast) - all rivers that pass through our next biggest population centres that don't already have a ship named after them i.e. Adelaide (Torrens), Hobart (Derwent), Perth (Swan), Parramatta (Sydney), Hunter (Newcastle) etc.

Hunter is the lead ship of the Hunter class.
Parramatta is an ANZAC

 

[iambuzzard]

Hunter is the lead ship of the Hunter class.
Parramatta is an ANZAC

We need to get the name of the lead ship right.

 

[JBRobbo]

Hunter is the lead ship of the Hunter class.
Parramatta is an ANZAC

Everyone knows this, what's your point? I figured Darwin, Melbourne & Perth will be the names of the future Hobart replacements so i didn't use Yarra.

 

[old faithful]

Names for Mogamis?
How about the "silvertail class?"
HMAS Eadie
HMAS Krillich
HMAS Menzies
HMAS Troboiavic
HMAS Stewart
HMAS Randall
HMAS Hill
HMAS Cleal
HMAS Lyons
HMAS Irvine
HMAS Fulton

 

[Sandson41]

1884 with the Victorian torpedo boat HMVS Napean.

Thanks. Didn't think about the colonial era. The only two I know much about are HMQS Gayundah and Paluma.
Have a funny feeling they won't name another ship Gayundah any time soon. Shame, really. The names apparently mean 'Thunder' and 'Lightning'.

I figured Darwin, Melbourne & Perth will be the names of the future Hobart replacements so i didn't use Yarra.

Anyone seriously want to bet on them NOT using Darwin, Melbourne and Perth for the SSNs?

 

[JBRobbo]

Thanks. Didn't think about the colonial era. The only two I know much about are HMQS Gayundah and Paluma.
Have a funny feeling they won't name another ship Gayundah any time soon. Shame, really. The names apparently mean 'Thunder' and 'Lightning'.


Anyone seriously want to bet on them NOT using Darwin, Melbourne and Perth for the SSNs?

who the fuck mentioned SSN's?

 

[iambuzzard]

Thanks. Didn't think about the colonial era. The only two I know much about are HMQS Gayundah and Paluma.
Have a funny feeling they won't name another ship Gayundah any time soon. Shame, really. The names apparently mean 'Thunder' and 'Lightning'.


Anyone seriously want to bet on them NOT using Darwin, Melbourne and Perth for the SSNs?

Thunder and Lightning. Great Thin Lizzy album!

 

[Pusser01]

My personal preference would be to see a class named after RAN heroes. I know the Collins class were so named, but there are many other names out there that could be recognised. Goldsworthy, Gosse, Mould, Syme, Rodgers & Bagot all George Cross winners. Taylor, Shipp, Emms, Bush, Rudd, Staples & Gillard were all nominated for the Victoria Cross but ultimately not awarded as such. Cheers.

 

[Sandson41]

who the fuck mentioned SSN's?

Me.

Because if they won't use capital cities for the Hunters, its surely because they're planning to use them for SSNs. Like other allies with SSNs (US, UK, France) they'll save the traditional big ship names (capital cities in our case) for those.

The future Hobart replacements could be called anything. I'm just betting they won't be named after state capitals.

 

[devo99]

No, just, no. And yes, I know the story of each of them; it’s why I proposed some of those names for locations in certain Navy facilities. But ships? No.

If it was me, which it isn’t, Culgoa, Barwon, Gascoyne, Shoalhaven, Lachlan, Warrego, Torrens, Derwent, Swan, Barcoo, Murchison, Condamine. Each of those has significant historical reasons to be repeated.

Is there a reason for the RAN's reluctance to use names of people for ships aside from the subs and a few other cases?
Is it a case of tall poppy syndrome? Surely it's not that it would devalue the honour of the Collins class names.

 

[Todjaeger]

Is there a reason for the RAN's reluctance to use names of people for ships aside from the subs and a few other cases?
Is it a case of tall poppy syndrome? Surely it's not that it would devalue the honour of the Collins class names.

TBH I would like the RAN to continue using/reusing ship's names and passing along the battle honours.

One significant danger in naming vessels after people is that doing so can and often does end up being done for political advantage, rather than something which really honours the service. IMO we have seen this a little bit in the RAN with the naming of HMAS Choules.

We also see this extensively if we look at the naming, or in some cases renaming, of ships in US service. If one looks at USN vessels commissioned during or immediately after WWII, we see extensive use of ships named after individuals who distinguished themselves in service, often having been awarded the Navy Cross or Medal of Honor, and after the named person had passed. For many of the distinguished service members from WWII, their awards were made posthumously.

Unfortunately though, it does seem as though a number of US warships are getting named after political figures, with auxiliary vessels getting named after political/social figures, like examples of the John Lewis-class AO which were getting named after US civil rights leaders.

Me being me, I would very much prefer that Australia avoid all of that mess.

 

[Todjaeger]

Cut steel for OPV 3(Pilbara) began in late 2020 and they had completed all units for 4 OPVs by mid 2024. Mighty slow…
But... New location, ‘new yard’, new building, small skilled workforce without the latest tech unfamiliar with the process of shipbuilding.
5 years on - night and day difference, in another 5 another massive leap forward.

…

I think you will agree that there is a significant increase in complexity in a vessel like a FFG vs. an OPV. Also the individual subsystems themselves are significantly more complex and likely have longer lead times for order and delivery. This is not just about the cutting and shaping of steel, but also properly fitting the relevant kit into the hull and compartments, and doing it in the best possible order.