Royal Australian Navy Discussions and Updates 2.0

[iambuzzard]

Batches, Vs for the first three, N for the next five and Q for the five after that.

Yes I believe we will end up with more than 11, these are really flexible, game changing ships.

Look not just at the cancelled corvettes from the 90s, look at the multirole combatants from the Rudd era white paper, 20 plus ships to replace PBs Mine hunters and hydro ships. Mogami is the type of ship we would have been looking to as a replacement for these had they been built.

These are modern day sloops.

With 32 VLS, 8 ASMs, a 127mm gun, and SeaRAM CIWS. Plus mine laying and anti submarine capabilities. Some sloops!!!! Seriously though, these are definitely game changers Volks. If we can learn to pump these out like the Japanese we'll be in a safer space.

 

[iambuzzard]

I wonder if the Mogami's will be delivered with SeaRAM?

If they are, will the RAM use the system on other platforms?

I suppose maybe they could be delivered without and the RAN could fit Phalanx.

Is it possible to fit both? Layer upon layer. Both systems have limited magazines, but can at least be reloaded at sea.

 

[JBRobbo]

Noosa (Sunshine Coast), Murrumbidgee (Wagga+), Tamar (Launceston), Fitzroy (Rockhampton), Barcoo (Geelong), Ross (Townsville), Murray (Albury-Wodonga, Mildura+), Pioneer (Mackay), Tweed (Gold Coast), Burnett (Wide-Bay), Hawkesbury (Central Coast) - all rivers that pass through our next biggest population centres that don't already have a ship named after them i.e. Adelaide (Torrens), Hobart (Derwent), Perth (Swan), Parramatta (Sydney), Hunter (Newcastle) etc.

 

[iambuzzard]

Noosa (Sunshine Coast), Murrumbidgee (Wagga+), Tamar (Launceston), Fitzroy (Rockhampton), Barcoo (Geelong), Ross (Townsville), Murray (Albury-Wodonga, Mildura+), Pioneer (Mackay), Tweed (Gold Coast), Burnett (Wide-Bay), Hawkesbury (Central Coast) - all rivers that pass through our next biggest population centres that don't already have a ship named after them i.e. Adelaide (Torrens), Hobart (Derwent), Perth (Swan), Parramatta (Sydney), Hunter (Newcastle) etc.

Good suggestions.

 

[Volkodav]

With 32 VLS, 8 ASMs, a 127mm gun, and SeaRAM CIWS. Plus mine laying and anti submarine capabilities. Some sloops!!!! Seriously though, these are definitely game changers Volks. If we can learn to pump these out like the Japanese we'll be in a safer space.

Look at what a sloop was in WWII, it was a slower, more flexible destroyer that could do mine sweeping. Frigates / Destroyer Escorts and before them, corvettes, were smaller, less capable, less flexible ships than sloops.

 

[AndyinOz]

The more I read the last few posts on this thread the more the idea of potentially using river names grows on me (getting ahead of ourselves of course since the decision has only just been made but for a little fun its interesting to think about) I think geopolitically it would be a nice nod to our Japanese partners since it appears they were willing to pull out all the stops to make it happen. I like the suggestion as others have said that some of our lesser thought of rivers might get a look in if we go that way one from each state and then perhaps also the more well known ones such as Torrens etc. HMAS Tweed has a bit of a ring to it I think considering where I hail from.

 

[spoz]

Duplicate

 

[spoz]

1884 with the Victorian torpedo boat HMVS Napean.

Here's some examples of names I'd like to see given to RAN ships

Captain Stanley Darling (HMAS Darling)
Captain Harry Leslie Howden (HMAS Howden)
Rear Admiral Galfrey George Ormond Gatacre (HMAS Gatacre)
Vice Admiral Sir Henry Mackay Burrell (HMAS Burrell)
Midshipman Robert Ian Davies (HMAS Davies)
Captain Allan Paterson Cousin (HMAS Cousin)
Rear Admiral William John Dovers (HMAS Dovers)
Third Officer Ruby Boye (HMAS Boye)
Vice Admiral Sir Wilfred Hastings Harrington (HMAS Harrington)
Lieutenant Commander Arthur Henry Callaway (HMAS Callaway)
Lieutenant Commander Kenneth Robert Hudspeth (HMAS Hudspeth)
Lieutenant Commander James Collier Buchanan (HMAS Buchanan)
Commodore John Malet Armstrong (HMAS Armstrong)
Rear Admiral John Saumarez Dumaresq (HMAS Dumaresq)

If anyone would like information about these people they should all have information about their careers and actions online. Otherwise I'd be happy to explain my reasoning for listing them.

No, just, no. And yes, I know the story of each of them; it’s why I proposed some of those names for locations in certain Navy facilities. But ships? No.

If it was me, which it isn’t, Culgoa, Barwon, Gascoyne, Shoalhaven, Lachlan, Warrego, Torrens, Derwent, Swan, Barcoo, Murchison, Condamine. Each of those has significant historical reasons to be repeated.

 

[spoz]

Noosa (Sunshine Coast), Murrumbidgee (Wagga+), Tamar (Launceston), Fitzroy (Rockhampton), Barcoo (Geelong), Ross (Townsville), Murray (Albury-Wodonga, Mildura+), Pioneer (Mackay), Tweed (Gold Coast), Burnett (Wide-Bay), Hawkesbury (Central Coast) - all rivers that pass through our next biggest population centres that don't already have a ship named after them i.e. Adelaide (Torrens), Hobart (Derwent), Perth (Swan), Parramatta (Sydney), Hunter (Newcastle) etc.

Hunter is the lead ship of the Hunter class.
Parramatta is an ANZAC

 

[iambuzzard]

Hunter is the lead ship of the Hunter class.
Parramatta is an ANZAC

We need to get the name of the lead ship right.

 

[JBRobbo]

Hunter is the lead ship of the Hunter class.
Parramatta is an ANZAC

Everyone knows this, what's your point? I figured Darwin, Melbourne & Perth will be the names of the future Hobart replacements so i didn't use Yarra.

 

[old faithful]

Names for Mogamis?
How about the "silvertail class?"
HMAS Eadie
HMAS Krillich
HMAS Menzies
HMAS Troboiavic
HMAS Stewart
HMAS Randall
HMAS Hill
HMAS Cleal
HMAS Lyons
HMAS Irvine
HMAS Fulton

 

[Sandson41]

1884 with the Victorian torpedo boat HMVS Napean.

Thanks. Didn't think about the colonial era. The only two I know much about are HMQS Gayundah and Paluma.
Have a funny feeling they won't name another ship Gayundah any time soon. Shame, really. The names apparently mean 'Thunder' and 'Lightning'.

I figured Darwin, Melbourne & Perth will be the names of the future Hobart replacements so i didn't use Yarra.

Anyone seriously want to bet on them NOT using Darwin, Melbourne and Perth for the SSNs?

 

[JBRobbo]

Thanks. Didn't think about the colonial era. The only two I know much about are HMQS Gayundah and Paluma.
Have a funny feeling they won't name another ship Gayundah any time soon. Shame, really. The names apparently mean 'Thunder' and 'Lightning'.


Anyone seriously want to bet on them NOT using Darwin, Melbourne and Perth for the SSNs?

who the fuck mentioned SSN's?

 

[iambuzzard]

Thanks. Didn't think about the colonial era. The only two I know much about are HMQS Gayundah and Paluma.
Have a funny feeling they won't name another ship Gayundah any time soon. Shame, really. The names apparently mean 'Thunder' and 'Lightning'.


Anyone seriously want to bet on them NOT using Darwin, Melbourne and Perth for the SSNs?

Thunder and Lightning. Great Thin Lizzy album!

 

[Pusser01]

My personal preference would be to see a class named after RAN heroes. I know the Collins class were so named, but there are many other names out there that could be recognised. Goldsworthy, Gosse, Mould, Syme, Rodgers & Bagot all George Cross winners. Taylor, Shipp, Emms, Bush, Rudd, Staples & Gillard were all nominated for the Victoria Cross but ultimately not awarded as such. Cheers.

 

[Sandson41]

who the fuck mentioned SSN's?

Me.

Because if they won't use capital cities for the Hunters, its surely because they're planning to use them for SSNs. Like other allies with SSNs (US, UK, France) they'll save the traditional big ship names (capital cities in our case) for those.

The future Hobart replacements could be called anything. I'm just betting they won't be named after state capitals.

 

[devo99]

No, just, no. And yes, I know the story of each of them; it’s why I proposed some of those names for locations in certain Navy facilities. But ships? No.

If it was me, which it isn’t, Culgoa, Barwon, Gascoyne, Shoalhaven, Lachlan, Warrego, Torrens, Derwent, Swan, Barcoo, Murchison, Condamine. Each of those has significant historical reasons to be repeated.

Is there a reason for the RAN's reluctance to use names of people for ships aside from the subs and a few other cases?
Is it a case of tall poppy syndrome? Surely it's not that it would devalue the honour of the Collins class names.