Thanks understood14 is what is available for immediate acquisitions and rapid fielding.
Only 48 operational systems exist. Sweden had 24 in service, 24 in storage/reserve. Last year Sweden ordered an additional 24 new systems on a new chassis (Rheinmetall HX2 8x8). They are transferring 8 to Ukraine, selling 14 to the UK, retaining 24 in service & 2 in storage/reserve. Sweden's new systems acquisition is planned to be completed in 2025. If the UK ordered new weapons they could not expect to receive them for several years. The British Army had already been evaluating the system under the Mobile Fires Platform (MFP) program. This acquisition has been reported as only an interim solution pending the results of the MFP program.
14 systems give the British Army enough to field 2 batteries with 2 systems for training/reserve
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FormerDirtDart
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I would add IMO, that this next year of training and fielding units with the system will give the British Army a much greater nuanced knowledge of modern wheeled artillery systems. Better to inform the MFP program process one way or another.
Something that caught me by surprise - the CG back in UK service:
des.mod.uk
Didn't expect that system to be procured, be interesting to see how things go with it in service - the US appears to quite like it.
DE&S order Carl-Gustaf M4 weapons systems for British Army - Defence Equipment & Support
DE&S has procured a new multi-role weapon system to equip the British Army on operations.
des.mod.uk
Didn't expect that system to be procured, be interesting to see how things go with it in service - the US appears to quite like it.
By all accounts its an ideal weapons system even if it's aging. It mightn't be able to take out modern MBTs but it still can incapacitate them, knockout structures , knock holes in buildings, machine gun nests etc. The NZ Army has both it and Javelin.Something that caught me by surprise - the CG back in UK service:
DE&S order Carl-Gustaf M4 weapons systems for British Army - Defence Equipment & Support
DE&S has procured a new multi-role weapon system to equip the British Army on operations.
Didn't expect that system to be procured, be interesting to see how things go with it in service - the US appears to quite like it.
Redlands18
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Affectionately known as the Charlie Guts-ache in the Australian Army.
If my memory serves me correctly, the Australian Army ordered several hundred M-4 models a year or so back to replace earlier models. Its a bit like the C-130, just keep improving the basic model.
It's not your dad's CG for sure:
www.saab.com
Confined space rounds, lifted straight from the AT4 and a lot more besides. Also, 2.8 kg lighter, which is significant.
Putin will definitely be getting a Christmas card from SAAB.
Smart just got smarter – introducing the Carl-Gustaf M4
The modern battlefield presents a broader range of challenges than ever before. Dismounted conventional troops and Special Forces require extreme tactical flexibility to combat advanced threats in complex environments.
www.saab.com
Confined space rounds, lifted straight from the AT4 and a lot more besides. Also, 2.8 kg lighter, which is significant.
Putin will definitely be getting a Christmas card from SAAB.
Don't the Ukrainians have some? Ukraine's been an excellent proving ground.Something that caught me by surprise - the CG back in UK service:
DE&S order Carl-Gustaf M4 weapons systems for British Army - Defence Equipment & Support
DE&S has procured a new multi-role weapon system to equip the British Army on operations.
Didn't expect that system to be procured, be interesting to see how things go with it in service - the US appears to quite like it.
I think at this point Ukraine have at least two of everything ever made - they may have some '44 stock of Panzerfaust in service by now.
Sweden donated some M4's earlier - I'd imagine for house clearance/CQB work, they'd be great, pop a round into the upper story of a target building and then count the body parts afterwards.
Right now, if I were a major arms supplier and my government hadn't donated anything, I'd be sending some over and writing it off against tax. That "battle proven" sticker on the catalogue is just too tempting.
Well they are using Maxim water cooled machine guns circa Soviet 1930s - 40s, c/w armoured shield and mounted on a small trailer.
M4, the Ranger skeleton key. Guaranteed to open any door.
Don't you mean C4?
Panama the Rangers used the CG to open any door they liked.
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Here’s a follow on article on Rise of the Rocket Launcher with some lessons learned from the Ukraine war.
wavellroom.com
Rise of the Rocket Launcher 2: Lessons from Ukraine
The British Army should re-organise around a rocket division. For an updated analysis using observations from Ukraine, read here.
wavellroom.com
FormerDirtDart
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If you have a hour to spare, an interesting interview on the organizational experimentation being conducted by the British Army
FormerDirtDart
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SAS has been requested to be on standby for CT operations that would have typically been handled by Met armed officers
www.theguardian.com
Met police request support from army after officers down firearms
Officers in Greater London’s police force have put down weapons in protest at colleague’s murder charge
www.theguardian.com
Ah, SAS on CT in mainland Britain. Nothing going wrong there.SAS has been requested to be on standby for CT operations that would have typically been handled by Met armed officers
Met police request support from army after officers down firearms
Officers in Greater London’s police force have put down weapons in protest at colleague’s murder charge
Their brand is still good with juries so they're likely to be far safer than the average met office copper.
My favourite quote from the Gibraltar trial relating to the shooting of what turned out to be an unarmed IRA unit.
When asking the anonymous trooper why he'd shot the suspect 17 times, the trooper replied "I had a stoppage"
I do sympathise with the police here, they're asked to face impossible challenges and then thrown under the bus if anything goes wrong.
I don't know anything about the shooting and I've not seen any video footage so I've no idea what the circumstances are here, but police shootings are rare in the UK.
Sounds like the interview after the storming of the Iranian embassy, when the officer being interviewed was asked why they had killed all the terrorists bar one, he replied that they didn't know the survivor was a terrorist
Big_Zucchini
Well-Known Member
What do you do when you need soldiers but people are running away from the army?
To the outside observer - the UK, as well as other western nations, appear compromised from inside due to uncontrolled immigration, unchecked spreading of "hostile" ideologies, and the belief that security is "toxic". I've heard about plans to reinstate mandatory conscription. If true, that would be great. Military service for all is a great way to shape the young generation with values like discipline, responsibility, and teach them some practical skills - some of which might be applicable later on as part of their profession, essentially giving them free training.
What do you guys think? What approach will they take?
- Incentivize the hell out of it (long term, slow increases).
- Mandatory conscription.
- Nationalism.
To the outside observer - the UK, as well as other western nations, appear compromised from inside due to uncontrolled immigration, unchecked spreading of "hostile" ideologies, and the belief that security is "toxic". I've heard about plans to reinstate mandatory conscription. If true, that would be great. Military service for all is a great way to shape the young generation with values like discipline, responsibility, and teach them some practical skills - some of which might be applicable later on as part of their profession, essentially giving them free training.
What do you guys think? What approach will they take?
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Absolutely applies to Canada
I doubt any political party here would propose this albeit the idea has merit. There could be public support for some kind of national service and military service could be part of this if there was an extra incentive to select this option.
Although being discussed, in my opinion there's virtually no chance of conscription being introduced. The British armed forces have historically been volunteers, even in the First World War conscription wasn't introduced until 1916. The Armed Forces don't want it, and PM Rishi Sunak has already dismissed it. Any political party suggesting conscription would likely be crucified in the media and polls, and there would be the very real possibility of civil disobedience in the event of it being introduced.
Britons face call-up to armed forces if UK goes to war with Russia, army chief says
British men and women should be prepared for a “whole-of-nation undertaking” if Nato goes to war with Russia, warns the head of the British army
www.independent.co.uk
The British are likely to carry on trying to muddle through, re-orbating units to lower manning levels and substituting technology for manpower. Not sure there's much in the budget for additional financial incentives, but there are definite efforts already underway to improve the offer.