Royal Netherlands Navy

[Sandhi Yudha]

The NS100 is indeed a large improvement over the Variant.



Thales' NS100 3D Naval Air and Surface surveillance radar (Credit: Thales Group)
Dutch MoD Orders Additional NS100, Scout Mk3 Radars
The Netherlands Defence Materiel Organisation and Thales signed a contract for the delivery of an NS100 radar, seven Scout Mk3 radars and an IFF system.
Nathan Gain 16 Jul 2020
Thales press release

The NS100 dual-axis multi-beam surveillance radar will replace the Variant radar currently deployed on HNLMS Johan de Witt, one of the Landing Platform Docks (LPD) in service in the Royal Netherlands Navy. The Sea Acceptance Tests are scheduled to take place in 2023.

A major reason for selecting the NS100, next to its unparalleled performance, is fleet-wise logistic advantages. The Royal Netherlands Navy already operates the latest generation of Thales 4D AESA radars on the majority of its vessels and, given the radar’s flexible architecture, it is easy to offer through–life introduction of new capabilities thereby future-proofing the radar. The NS100 on the Royal Netherlands Navy’s other LPD, HNLMS Rotterdam, will be updated, so that the radars on both LPDs will be identical.


Complete article at Dutch MoD orders additional NS100, Scout Mk3 radars - Naval News


VARIANT is a multipurpose, short/medium range 2D radar, simultaneously operating in the X and C-band for air and surface surveillance. It can track surface targets up to 70km and air targets up to 120km. Its principal role is as an automatic, fast reaction time radar sensor supplying targeting data to weapon systems. The system is completed by an integrated Low Probability of Intercept (LPI) surface surveillance radar (SCOUT).

The NS100 is a medium to long range 3D E-/F-band AESA radar (Hollandse Signaalapparaten/Thales brands it as a 4D surveillance radar) and although its clearly an improvement over the Variant, the Variant is still capable and good enough for most navies. Its for example superior compared to the MW08. So i wonder if HSA still offer it for export.

 

[ngatimozart]

A Royal Netherlands Navy NH90 NFH has crashed 7.5 miles off the coast of Aruba killing two crew, whilst two survived. No indications yet as to the cause of the accident.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=3824534370906402&id=145237522169457

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

A Royal Netherlands Navy NH90 NFH has crashed 7.5 miles off the coast of Aruba killing two crew, whilst two survived. No indications yet as to the cause of the accident.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=3824534370906402&id=145237522169457

Yes, sad news, just read it on Twee Nederlandse militairen verongelukt bij helikoptercrash Aruba

Luckily there are two survivors.

 

[walter]

yeah sad news,

R.i.P for the deceased,

Condoleanceregister LTZ 2 OC Christine Martens en LTZ 2 OC Erwin Warnies

Bij een crash met een NH90-maritieme gevechtshelikopter zijn 2 bemanningsleden om het leven gekomen. Het gaat om de 34-jarige vlieger Christine Martens en de 33-jarige tactische coördinator Erwin Warnies. Beiden militairen hebben de rang van luitenant ter zee der 2e klasse oudste categorie. De...

www.defensie.nl

 

[Toptob]

It seems that the Dutch NH-90 fleet has been grounded for now!

Vliegprogramma NH90-helikopters opgeschort

And this says they salvaged the black box.

Gecrashte helikopter bij Aruba was op grenspatrouille wegens coronavirus

 

[Toptob]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1285332076972187653

Two of the floats on the helicopter blew and the aircraft has sunk. Apparently it was in pretty deep water, so salvage has become an expensive idea.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1285561381006319617

ZrMs Groningen reached Willemstad with the survivors and the bodies of the deceased on board.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1285654493762387971

Defense safety inspectors and members of the marechaussee just left from Eindhoven on a KDC-10.

 

[walter]

DAMEN AND ROHDE & SCHWARZ HELP TO STRENGTHEN THE ROYAL NETHERLANDS NAVY’S MARITIME REPLENISHMENT CAPACITY

Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding signed a contract with Rohde & Schwarz for the delivery and installation of internal and external communication systems for the Royal Netherlands Navy’s Combat Support Ship, Den Helder.

The Royal Netherlands Navy’s (RNLN) new Combat Support Ship (CSS), Den Helder, to be built by Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding (DSNS), will strengthen the navy’s replenishment capacity at sea. Delivery of the ship is scheduled for the second quarter of 2024.

DSNS signed a contract with Rohde & Schwarz Benelux B.V. for the delivery and installation of a state-of-the-art integrated communications system for the RNLN’s CSS, Den Helder.

With the contract, the RNLN will receive a system based on proven technology and standardized to provide commonality across the Dutch naval fleet. For more than 20 years, the RNLN has been using Rohde & Schwarz communications systems on their vessels with high level reliability and performance during daily operations. This commonality offers not only crew familiarity, but also optimizes training, maintenance and many other processes.

Arjan Risseeuw, Project Director of the CSS at DSNS states: “Rohde & Schwarz have a good track record in delivering their equipment to Royal Netherlands Navy vessels. We have collaborated with them before, on the Joint Support Ship HNLMS Karel Doorman, for which the Defence Materiel Organisation acted as intermediary for the Rohde & Schwarz equipment it purchased. I am looking forward to working directly with Rohde & Schwarz on this project in order to provide the CSS with a good communication suite.”

Mischa van Santen, Sales Manager at Rohde & Schwarz Benelux states: “Rohde & Schwarz Benelux will act as the communications system integrator for DSNS. Our local engineering team at Utrecht will make sure that we deliver according schedule and budget as well as that the system is supported through life by our Dutch personnel. Rohde & Schwarz Benelux currently also executes work together with Damen Shipyards in Den Helder for the current refit programs of the RNLN support ship, HNLMS Pelikaan, as well as the Hydrographic vessels, HNLMS Snellius and HNLMS Luymes.”

For the CSS Rohde & Schwarz will supply a fully integrated communications system, including R&S M3SR software defined radios (R&S Series4100 HF and R&S Series4400 VHF/UHF).

 

[walter]

DAMEN CONTRACT WITH NEWTHEX OPENS DOOR TO DUTCH QUALITY SOLUTIONS FOR CSS

Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding has signed two contracts with the Dutch company Newthex for the supply of doors and a hatch to the Combat Support Ship (CSS) Sr. Ms. Den Helder of the Royal Navy (KM).

One contract concerns the supply of hydraulically operated skin doors, which can close the main entrances, walkways and shore connections. The other contract is for upward hinged elevator doors and a container hatch.

Newthex will deliver these goods in April 2021. The doors are tailor-made for the CSS. They are of high quality, water and gas tight and fire resistant.

Newthex has a strong focus on sustainability. Other features of the doors are their user-friendliness, ease of maintenance and high automation.

The company has worked with Damen on defence and security projects in the past. In addition, Newthex regularly collaborates with Damen Yachting to deliver its high-quality products to the luxury superyacht market.

Newthex is based in Sappermeer in Groningen. The company employs about 20 people and prides itself on offering dutch solutions. The production of the steel structures and the purchase of the associated hydraulic and electrical components take place entirely in the Netherlands.


Damen-contract met Newthex opent deur naar Nederlandse kwaliteitsoplossingen voor CSS

 

[oldsig127]

DAMEN AND ROHDE & SCHWARZ HELP TO STRENGTHEN THE ROYAL NETHERLANDS NAVY’S MARITIME REPLENISHMENT CAPACITY

Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding signed a contract with Rohde & Schwarz for the delivery and installation of internal and external communication systems for the Royal Netherlands Navy’s Combat Support Ship, Den Helder.

The Royal Netherlands Navy’s (RNLN) new Combat Support Ship (CSS), Den Helder, to be built by Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding (DSNS), will strengthen the navy’s replenishment capacity at sea. Delivery of the ship is scheduled for the second quarter of 2024.

DSNS signed a contract with Rohde & Schwarz Benelux B.V. for the delivery and installation of a state-of-the-art integrated communications system for the RNLN’s CSS, Den Helder.

With the contract, the RNLN will receive a system based on proven technology and standardized to provide commonality across the Dutch naval fleet. For more than 20 years, the RNLN has been using Rohde & Schwarz communications systems on their vessels with high level reliability and performance during daily operations. This commonality offers not only crew familiarity, but also optimizes training, maintenance and many other processes.

Arjan Risseeuw, Project Director of the CSS at DSNS states: “Rohde & Schwarz have a good track record in delivering their equipment to Royal Netherlands Navy vessels. We have collaborated with them before, on the Joint Support Ship HNLMS Karel Doorman, for which the Defence Materiel Organisation acted as intermediary for the Rohde & Schwarz equipment it purchased. I am looking forward to working directly with Rohde & Schwarz on this project in order to provide the CSS with a good communication suite.”

Mischa van Santen, Sales Manager at Rohde & Schwarz Benelux states: “Rohde & Schwarz Benelux will act as the communications system integrator for DSNS. Our local engineering team at Utrecht will make sure that we deliver according schedule and budget as well as that the system is supported through life by our Dutch personnel. Rohde & Schwarz Benelux currently also executes work together with Damen Shipyards in Den Helder for the current refit programs of the RNLN support ship, HNLMS Pelikaan, as well as the Hydrographic vessels, HNLMS Snellius and HNLMS Luymes.”

For the CSS Rohde & Schwarz will supply a fully integrated communications system, including R&S M3SR software defined radios (R&S Series4100 HF and R&S Series4400 VHF/UHF).

@walter, you might want to add some personal content to this and the next post. Also, the first is an unacknowledged cut and pastes without links to the original source. Frowned on here, and for solid reasons and might draw the attention of a moderator who has missed his goblet of blood

oldsig

@walter

oldsig's advice is excellent .... and should be heeded. Please refer to the rules ... Forum Rules

Alexsa

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

DAMEN AND ROHDE & SCHWARZ HELP TO STRENGTHEN THE ROYAL NETHERLANDS NAVY’S MARITIME REPLENISHMENT CAPACITY

Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding signed a contract with Rohde & Schwarz for the delivery and installation of internal and external communication systems for the Royal Netherlands Navy’s Combat Support Ship, Den Helder.

The Royal Netherlands Navy’s (RNLN) new Combat Support Ship (CSS), Den Helder, to be built by Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding (DSNS), will strengthen the navy’s replenishment capacity at sea. Delivery of the ship is scheduled for the second quarter of 2024.

DSNS signed a contract with Rohde & Schwarz Benelux B.V. for the delivery and installation of a state-of-the-art integrated communications system for the RNLN’s CSS, Den Helder.

With the contract, the RNLN will receive a system based on proven technology and standardized to provide commonality across the Dutch naval fleet. For more than 20 years, the RNLN has been using Rohde & Schwarz communications systems on their vessels with high level reliability and performance during daily operations. This commonality offers not only crew familiarity, but also optimizes training, maintenance and many other processes.

Arjan Risseeuw, Project Director of the CSS at DSNS states: “Rohde & Schwarz have a good track record in delivering their equipment to Royal Netherlands Navy vessels. We have collaborated with them before, on the Joint Support Ship HNLMS Karel Doorman, for which the Defence Materiel Organisation acted as intermediary for the Rohde & Schwarz equipment it purchased. I am looking forward to working directly with Rohde & Schwarz on this project in order to provide the CSS with a good communication suite.”

Mischa van Santen, Sales Manager at Rohde & Schwarz Benelux states: “Rohde & Schwarz Benelux will act as the communications system integrator for DSNS. Our local engineering team at Utrecht will make sure that we deliver according schedule and budget as well as that the system is supported through life by our Dutch personnel. Rohde & Schwarz Benelux currently also executes work together with Damen Shipyards in Den Helder for the current refit programs of the RNLN support ship, HNLMS Pelikaan, as well as the Hydrographic vessels, HNLMS Snellius and HNLMS Luymes.”

For the CSS Rohde & Schwarz will supply a fully integrated communications system, including R&S M3SR software defined radios (R&S Series4100 HF and R&S Series4400 VHF/UHF).

So in short, the Joint Support Ship ZrMs Karel Doorman A833 replaced both of the navy's replenishment oilers: HrMs Zuiderkruis (scrapped in February 2014) and HrMs Amsterdam (sold to Peru in December 2014), because it was cheaper to operate one large ship than two smaller replenishment ships.

But it seems the Dutch government find out that one ship is not enough, during maintenance the ship is inoperationable after all.

Do you have more information about this new Combat Support Ship? Has it the same size as A833, and what makes it "Combat" in stead of "Joint"? Has it even more advanced sensors and weaponsystem suited for "een hoger geweldsspectrum"?

 

[walter]

@walter, you might want to add some personal content to this and the next post. Also, the first is an unacknowledged cut and pastes without links to the original source. Frowned on here, and for solid reasons and might draw the attention of a moderator who has missed his goblet of blood

oldsig

@walter

oldsig's advice is excellent .... and should be heeded. Please refer to the rules ... Forum Rules

Alexsa

Sorry my friend must have forgot to put that in,

But here's the original link

Rohde & Schwarz to deliver communications system for CSS 'Den Helder' | DSNS

 

[walter]

So in short, the Joint Support Ship ZrMs Karel Doorman A833 replaced both of the navy's replenishment oilers: HrMs Zuiderkruis (scrapped in February 2014) and HrMs Amsterdam (sold to Peru in December 2014), because it was cheaper to operate one large ship than two smaller replenishment ships.

But it seems the Dutch government find out that one ship is not enough, during maintenance the ship is inoperationable after all.

Do you have more information about this new Combat Support Ship? Has it the same size as A833, and what makes it "Combat" in stead of "Joint"? Has it even more advanced sensors and weaponsystem suited for "een hoger geweldsspectrum"?

Nah,Sandhi,

No more advanced sensors or weapons.(compareble to the KD)

Think it has to do with the fact that this ship(The Den-Helder)will be more an oiler/replenisher for the fleet,KD is a more versatile ship,at least that's the idea i'm getting.

But we needed one more because the KD is also shared with Germany,so not allways availeble

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

Nah,Sandhi,

No more advanced sensors or weapons.(compareble to the KD)

Think it has to do with the fact that this ship(The Den-Helder)will be more an oiler/replenisher for the fleet,KD is a more versatile ship,at least that's the idea i'm getting.

But we needed one more because the KD is also shared with Germany,so not allways availeble

So what makes this Combat Support Ship so combat?

Looking to DSNS to build Combat Support Ship for the Royal Netherlands Navy
and

Combat support ship/ bevoorradingsschip Den Helder

Toekomstige Zr.Ms. Den Helder.

marineschepen.nl

is it a completely stripped off version of the original design, without NS100, Goalkeeper, RCWS, with just some machineguns (maybe). What a disgrace, its actually a normal replenishment ship with only extra space for containers and helicopters.

 

[walter]

here's a quote from that piece(marineschepen.nl)

"
Combat Support Ship of bevoorradingsschip
In de officiële stukken wordt gesproken over een Combat Support Ship, daar waar in het verleden veelal werd gesproken over een bevoorradingsschip. "

or translated in English:

"
Combat Support Ship or supply ship
The official documents refer to a Combat Support Ship, where in the past there was often talk of a supply ship."

Just a name,it is a supply ship plain and simple.

 

[walter]

Thales NS100 will be onboard,as for weapons,the original idea was to have a Goalkeeper,but since the Goalkeepers will be replaced on the new ASW

frigates,for now the supply ship ship will only get some machineguns(don't know what the replacement for the Goalkeeper will be yet)

 

[walter]

which country will be the 3rd country? replacement M-class program.

There's a lot of interest,it seems(and confirmed) in the new to be build replacement class for the M's.

Greece(but in talks with France,Belharra class),but still interested(plus there's no country in the world which has more Dutch ships,including The Netherlands(go figure)

Portugal is also mentioned,which is very happy with their M-class frigates(and the modernizatopn program of the 1st,2nd one is in Den Helder undergoing this program.

Norway,probably to replace the whole Fridtjof Nansen class,which could mean 4 or 5 new frigates.

There are also a couple"outsiders",Chili and Poland(but that's not serious for now)

During interviews (Januari and June)with the director of the DMO,vice-admiral De Waard confirmed that there was a formal letter from 1 of the 3 countries mentioned to join the program.(which will be confirmed within 6 months )

exciting times here in The Netherlands

Article is in Dutch.

Wat wordt het derde land dat zich aansluit bij de vervanging van M-fregatten?

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

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which country will be the 3rd country? replacement M-class program.

There's a lot of interest,it seems(and confirmed) in the new to be build replacement class for the M's.

Greece(but in talks with France,Belharra class),but still interested(plus there's no country in the world which has more Dutch ships,including The Netherlands(go figure)

Portugal is also mentioned,which is very happy with their M-class frigates(and the modernizatopn program of the 1st,2nd one is in Den Helder undergoing this program.

Norway,probably to replace the whole Fridtjof Nansen class,which could mean 4 or 5 new frigates.

There are also a couple"outsiders",Chili and Poland(but that's not serious for now)

During interviews (Januari and June)with the director of the DMO,vice-admiral De Waard confirmed that there was a formal letter from 1 of the 3 countries mentioned to join the program.(which will be confirmed within 6 months )

exciting times here in The Netherlands

Article is in Dutch.

Wat wordt het derde land dat zich aansluit bij de vervanging van M-fregatten?

Thanks for sharing.
Personally i think that Norwegia is the 'strongest candidate', they have the budget and the timing of the availability of the M-Klasse replacement is just perfect. Although the current frigates use american sensors and CMS, the chance is bigger that they are the third country, then Portugal and Greece, these countries are not in a great financial condition. Even Chilli makes a bigger chance.

Poland just doesnt belong on the list. Not only because of political reasons, but they can not even finish their own corvette/frigate program properly.

Do you think there is a candidate outside South-America and Europe?


One more thing:
"Gezien de grote financiële tekorten in Griekenland is het erg onwaarschijnlijk dat Griekenland de hele vloot gaat vervangen met Franse Belharra's. De eerste twee kosten maar liefst 3 miljard euro."

€3.000.000.000 for just two frigates!? Thats just insane!
Thats twice a FREMM and much more expensive than an Álvaro de Bázan.
Even Norge will think twice about that.

 

[walter]

Well Sandhi,

Here are my thoughts

Personally i think it's Norway aswell,because the other 2 countries don't have the funds(Greece wants to pay/spread of the 3Billion price tag of the Belaharra's in 10 years)

And i agree that price is just ridicoulous.

Chili bought the modernized Adelaides didn't they?so they are happy right now.

Portugal wants new ships,also to do with the increase of their EEZ(claim put in at the UN,after the ok,it will be 44 times bigger then the country itself.)

Now they have 2 M's and 3 MEKO's,but want(when EEZ claim gets confirmed)6 new Patrol Vessels(started that back up in 2019)

a supply ship and maybe even a LPD of some sorts,but as said not enough budget.(and need these ships to patrol/defend their EEZ)

So all in all Norway will be(probably)the most obvious candidate(they have the budget)

 

[swerve]

The Chilean navy hopes to get some home built (albeit with imported weapons, sensors, etc., & maybe licence-built) frigates to replace current ones, but not for several years. Currently eight secondhand frigates of four classes, commissioned by their first owners 1988-1997, two of them ex RNLN. All but the two latest acquisitions have been modernised, e.g. the Type 23s are being fitted with TRS-4D radars, Sea Ceptor missiles, CMS-330 combat systems & modernised Sonar 2087. I think the first is back in service.

USD3 billion for two Belharras is hard to believe. It's supposed to be a cheaper supplement to FREMM for France, & exportable to navies that can't afford bigger & fancier ships. At that price it hould be cheaper to buy FREMMs.

 

[kato]

USD3 billion for two Belharras is hard to believe. It's supposed to be a cheaper supplement to FREMM for France, & exportable to navies that can't afford bigger & fancier ships. At that price it hould be cheaper to buy FREMMs.

The price for France is 760 million Euro per ship. The price estimated for Greece back in 2019 was about the same.

The current figure that variably is "2.5 billon", "2.8 billion" or "3.0 billion" comes from unnamed MoD sources of Greek newspaper Kathimerini, and tends to be ... let's say intentionally propagated by proponents of MMSC for Greece.

Reading between the lines over the long term at Kathimerini, the deal for that price might include not just the two Belharra ships, but a five-year lease on two FREMMs until delivery, 10+ years of on-site maintenance support, possibly ToT to build further Belharra at Greek yards, as well as interest on financing through a long-lead state credit by France (conditions of that being what's considered a problem in negotiations).