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This is the bushfire thread so can you keep it free for that please.
Aussie Bushfires.
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A Facebook post I saw on a closed ex services site.
I took a screenshot of in case the post gets misplaced. Anyway a big BZ to the crew of the Far Saracen.
I took a screenshot of in case the post gets misplaced. Anyway a big BZ to the crew of the Far Saracen.
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
This attached link from an author in Australia appeared in Toronto's Globe & Mail. Sure sounds like this horrible fire season will have political consequences for the Australian PM and likely others as well. The author's line about climate change deniers needing to get their excuses ready for their grandchildren down the road is right-on. The huge Brazilian rain forest fires early this year, the increasing ferocity of the annual California wildfires, and the huge forest fires in Western Canada and now these fires in Australia might finally be registering with pollies ....well perhaps not one pollie until his golf course burns or is flooded out by rising seawater.
Opinion: Mourning a disappearing world as Australia burns
Opinion: Mourning a disappearing world as Australia burns
Or maybe the attached video is more to the point.
Eastern Australia has had a 4-7 year drought which has exacerbated the fire problems but the intensity of the fires?
Check it out.
Chris Dynon
Redlands18
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Mr Dynon makes some good points and then wrecks it all with his rant about a locked gate that would be fixed with a pair of Bolt Cutters in about 30 secs, i would be pretty sure the RFS have plenty of experience getting through locked gates and would carry the Tools req.
t68
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I think the rant about locked gates is mainly to do with access to other besides emergency service and or park management, by limiting access means that the trails can become overgrown and therefore limit how far the RFS or other agencies can get to the scene of the fire. access by the off-road community can keep trails open and free from overgrowth which mean easier access to emergency crews.
Todjaeger
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OTOH, those gates were locked for a reason, namely to prevent unauthorized access. I do not know how things are Oz, but in the US I strongly believe that if offroaders and other similar folks were not kept out by locked gates and other means, they would end up doing more harm than good. They might possibly help keep access/fire roads clear, maybe. However, there would certainly be more wear and tear on those access and fire roads, as well as trails through an area. Not to mention there would likely be more litter and rubbish, and quite likely more unauthorized campfires or bonfires. In point of fact I suspect that easier access would increase the likelihood of fires breaking out, either as a result of one (or more) idiots starting a fire to sit around at night as they drink and losing control of said fire, or through something like a smoldering cigarette butt getting discarded.
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Some info and photos about flying in the Bush fires.
Shocking Images Show What It Is Like To Fly In Skies Turned Red By Deadly Australian Bushfires
Shocking Images Show What It Is Like To Fly In Skies Turned Red By Deadly Australian Bushfires
Assie Bushfires - C130J Hercules
See the article posted below. These would make an excellent addition to the RAAF c130J fleet.
MAFFS :: Home
The USAF has 8 aircraft equipped with this system.
See the article posted below. These would make an excellent addition to the RAAF c130J fleet.
MAFFS :: Home
The USAF has 8 aircraft equipped with this system.
Plenty of images of defence helping out in the bushfires.
New Zealand sends troops to help fight Australian bushfires as £1 billion pledged to reconstruction efforts
Navy Begins Mass Evacuations In Victoria As New Fire Threat Looms
Singapore is moving two of its Chinooks down and we have loaded two NZ helicopters into C17 and flown them into Australia.
New Zealand sends troops to help fight Australian bushfires as £1 billion pledged to reconstruction efforts
Navy Begins Mass Evacuations In Victoria As New Fire Threat Looms
Singapore is moving two of its Chinooks down and we have loaded two NZ helicopters into C17 and flown them into Australia.
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Good luck and stay safe. Try and find a rum store to shelter in
Some photos of the devastation. Truly apocalyptic scenery. I can't help but wonder how much more of this we will see in coming years.
Огненный ад в Австралии: выжженная земля и трупы животных
Огненный ад в Австралии: выжженная земля и трупы животных
Redlands18
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Navy Daily
The “Mallacoota ferry” has been very busy, with another 280 evacuated including 66 RFS personnel.
The “Mallacoota ferry” has been very busy, with another 280 evacuated including 66 RFS personnel.
There are some terrible scenes but just be cautious with the maps, there’s a lot of both intended exaggeration and misinterpretation of the true situation.
I’ve linked further info re maps.
6 things to ask yourself before you share a bushfire map on social media
t68
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You have to remember bushfires are a normal part of the Australian environment, the last really big bushfires in 2013 NSW had over 100 fires burning. I’ve lived in the southern highlands south of Sydney for just over 20 years and this is the fifth major fire in that time.
The only real difference about these fires and years past is the influential call of climate change and the media. The severity of the fires I believe is contributed to either the El Niño/ La Niña weather patterns. While I’m all for reducing pollution where we can I’m not convinced in the whole climate change debate
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It's a fallacy that global warming is causing the fires. Bad management practices have definitely contributed to their severity and arson has been a causal factor. Climate change has also contributed to their severity because of the increasing mean air and ocean temperatures and the resulting changing weather patterns. In Australia and NZs case there will be increasing longer dry periods punctuated by short extreme wet events. This means more and longer droughts and a drier climate. The science is unequivocal about this and I back the science having worked with it.
In the future, the bushfire hazards can be mitigated for by far better management of the hazard through the use of firebreaks and the aboriginal people's traditional knowledge of bushfire management. They've been doing it for tens of thousands of years, so have both the institutional knowledge and expertise. Just because it isn't western doesn't make it any less valid.
t68
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Found this on ADF assistance to bushfire support
Operation Bushfire Assist 2019-2020 | Defence News
I have noticed over the last few days of greater Army presence in my local area and pleasing to see the old Mack 6x6 water tankers, brings back my time in RACT.
Sometimes I wish I never got out, but I have certainly got the spare tyre going on since I left along with a few more grey hairs
Operation Bushfire Assist 2019-2020 | Defence News
I have noticed over the last few days of greater Army presence in my local area and pleasing to see the old Mack 6x6 water tankers, brings back my time in RACT.
Sometimes I wish I never got out, but I have certainly got the spare tyre going on since I left along with a few more grey hairs
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Todjaeger
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Came across this story about what seems to be an active disinformation campaign regarding the causes for the bushfires in Australia. I have not yet come across other references to this taking place, but it does make me wonder (if the campaign is truly happening) who might be engaged in this and why.