@alex..you are clearly supporter of present Indonesian Admin..thus taking all their explenation on 'Bela Negara'. This is not the forum to debate Indonesian Political situation thus I will not going there. There's no denial that I'm not supporter for current admin, however i'm still try to debates on the essense of their policy.
You are not reading Bela Negara correctly. It's not simply a 'course' just like P4 in Soeharto era (yes I remember P4 and all courses you are talking since I took it. You took it in High School, I took them until my University, so most likely I'm older then you ).
So don't try to tell me I'm miss leading anything. This thread is talking on conscription. When I told in this thread, that Bela Negara is part of conscription, since the end game of this project is to create 'trained voluenters' (that already indoctrinated first in Bela Negara concept). The courses you are talking is only part of wholle projects. You talked as if bela negara only courses..but you are avoiding the Military Training parts.
Again watch the end game this project aimed. The minister publicly stated he wants the civilian that enter the projects, to be trained militarily as part of trained reservist. That's Conscription catagory, no matter how the administration tweeked it. And you attack me not on the issue but telling me caused I don't get project..you don't know me..and clearly you are getting personal.
You clearly attacking people who did not agree with your beloved adminstration, no matter how silly their project like Bela Negara is.
You want to debate more on Indonesian Politics..then debate more on Indonesian Thread or make seperate thread on that. However don't sugar coating bela negara is not part of conscription, caused the end game is creating reservist, which is part of conscription catagory.
@ngati and admin team, sorry if bit derailled this thread. However I've to answered Alex post. Already told him, if he wants to debate more on Bela Negara..he can debate it on Indonesian Thread or he can create his own thread on the matter.
I put Bela Negara as part of example of conscription, since any project that end game creating Military Trained Reservist is part of Conscription, no matter how their sugar coating it.