Which is the World's Best Tank??

[mmalam]

There's no one tank that is best for every situation. Take Israel's Merkava for example. It's one of the heaviest tanks in the world because it's mostly used in urban enviroments. Theres no fear of it sinking or anything, and it's often used as a troop transport as well. It would be too heavy and slow for a country like Pakistan to use. Similar thing with the US Abrams, it's best enviroment is in the desert like Iraq, though(I think?) it was originally developed for use over open plains and woodlands. There are many places where despite its awesome firepower and mobility, it would not be the best tank for the job.

No , Deserts are not Abrams favourite place. Probably somewhere where there is some hard surface . Deserts is for lighter tanks.

 

[Bharat_R]

Destroyer, why are you changing info, first of all 72km/h is 55mph, go check Globalsecurity.com, www.bharat-rakshak.com, or Fas.org. The Arjun is faster, and more powerful then the Al-Khalid. Also India's T-90S is superior then the T-80UD/84/Al-Khalid. Also Heavy tanks are the way to go, but light tanks are good too. Provide a neutral on Pakistan's Tanks rounds, India's tungsten rounds are superior to China so I am assuming that our rounds are superior to yours. My point is Al-Khalid is a upgraded T-72, our upgraded T-72 would be better because Russia is claiming that they could get the tank at the same level of the T-90S. BTW Ameer Kiani I don't know what you're saying, everyone can say I hear, but I can say the Al-Khalid is a FAILURE. Think about it, why buy the T-80UDs, why? Please provide source? I can tell you that the T-80UD are much superior to the Al-Khalid.

Destroyer please look at the bottom of the Arjun page of Bharat-Rakshak, btw the page isn't update yet. Don't worry when it gets updated I shall post the entire page on this forum. There is no need of taking all the negative comments. You should note that as you go to the bottom of the page it bring up updated news.

Why can't Pakistan admit the Al-Khalid is a failure. Please answer the questions and provide proper sources. Also check Fas.org, and Global security on the Arjun. It's specs are far superior then any tanks that India, China, and Pakistan are getting or have.

 

[Bharat_R]

This is what should be read, all the negative news are fixed. About transporting Arjuns, trains have been upgraded to resolve this problem.

Features of the Arjun Mk.1 MBT

The integrated digital fire control system installed in the Arjun Mk.1 MBT consists of a laser rangefinder, ballistic computer, thermal imaging night sight, meterological sensor, stabilised panoramic sight for the tank commander, stand-by (articulated) sighting telescope, GPS and an electronic gate to ensure a first round hit probability. The third generation director type, fire control system with a 120mm gun electronically slaved to the sights, enables the gunner to locate, identify, track, range and engage moving targets while its moving. This gives a high first round hit probability. The gunner's main sight consists of a day sight, thermal sight, laser rangefinder and stabilised head common, to all three channels. The common sighting head mirror is stabilised in elevation and azimuth. The day sight has dual magnification while the thermal imager provides a night vision facility to the gunner and the commander to observe and engage targets under conditions of total darkness and smoke. The laser rangefinder is integral with the gunner's sight.

The panoramic sight enables the commander to effect an all-round surveillance on the battlefield without moving his eyes from the sight and without being disturbed by the motion of the turret. The field of view is stabilised with the help of a two-axis rate gyro mounted on the platform of the head mirror. The sight has dual magnification. The ballistic computer, computes the gun laying data based on information provided by a number of sensors mounted in the vehicle and on manual inputs and provides the signals corresponding to the tangent elevation and azimuth offset. To increase the accuracy of the firing, the fire control system has a coincidence window that allows firing of the main armament only when it reaches the desired position as dictated by the computer. The 120mm rifled gun will fire APFSDS (Armour Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot), HESH (High-Explosive Squash Head), HE (High-Explosive), HEAT (High-Explosive Anti-Tank) and smoke rounds. A special 120mm anti-helicopter round is under development as well. All 120mm rounds use a semi combustible cartridge case.

The 120mm rifled gun is made of ESR steel and is fitted with a thermal sleeve and a fume extractor. The thermal sleeve prevents irregular temperature distribution on to the tube due to the weather influences. A new high energy propellant is used in the 120mm rifled gun to give a higher muzzle velocity and therefore greater penetration characteristics. A 7.62mm machine gun is coaxial with the main armament and a 12.7mm AA machine gun is fitted for anti-aircraft defence. Production Arjun MBTs will also have a new composite laminate armour called Kanchan. This will be produced by Mishra Dhatu Nigam Limited (MDNL). The tank also has a NBC (Nuclear-Biological-Chemical) system that is designed & built by BARC and a night vision device built by IRDE. To further enhance combat survivability, the tank has an auto-fire detection & suppression system. Ammunition is also stowed in water tight containers to reduce the risk of fire.


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[Destroyer]

Hey bhaRAT Rakshak or whatever ur name is , i didn't change info man I know the Arjun is a failure I don't need to pull some underhanded trick to prove that. That info has been copy and pasted staright from www.bharat-rakshak.com.

 

[Bharat_R]

HAHA... Nice way to end a discussion it looks like I proved my point the Al-Khalid is a failure but the Army doesn't want to prove it so it produces it, buys the T-80U, and then there were news of Pakistan trying to purchase more. The fact is if India purchases a 1000 T-90S you lose, or if India purchases 1000 Arjuns its bad luck to you guys too. BTW many project went like Arjun, the M1A2 went like that, so is F-22 (which is now a failure because only 3-4 dozen will be purchased, the Typhoon doesn't seem like its going as planned. Right now the ARJUN isn't a failure, why? Did we scrap it like the Trishul? Nope, and also note that BDL (an Indian company) is producing 35km SAM which are just like the Trishul but better. This discussions seems dead to me, cause your rebuddals don't seem to prove your claims.

 

[webmaster]

Bharat, understood that your from india that does not give you any right to post disinformation about pakistan because it is india's enemy. Give due respect and credit where it due!

Keep the discussion to tanks and military stuff, don't make it a personal fight!

 

[Bharat_R]

I ain't doing that, and my nationality doesn't really matter. The point is the Arjun isn't dead, and this tank along with the T-90S is superior to the T-80U and Al-Khalid. I am not offending anyone, I am just spreading the truth.

 

[webmaster]

Truth won't come out until both tanks show themselves on the battle field and that won't happen until india attacks pakistan and we all know india would not.

You are in extreme denial state, which is not good. Your nationality matters, that is why you think what you are saying is the truth and ignoring anything that other people are saying. So it all comes down to anything from india is better and anything from pakistan is bad. That is pretty close minded my friend. Hope you realize that.

 

[Bharat_R]

Denial state, do you know what you are saying. Listen up, all the source, Neutral source, are against your claim and not mines. What I am saying is completely true because all the source support what I am saying. You calling the Arjun is a failure is baseless because that was in 1998, today is 2003, many developments have been made from that year. Right now the Arjun is a very capable tank, and all these neutral sources will back this up. Also note that making a Heavy tank is far more difficult then a Light tank, so India will produce 134 Arjun Mk1, and then there is a big possibility of getting more Arjun Mk2 fitted with French engines.

You need to understand this Webmaster, that what a normal person like we say can be made up, I provide my sources therefore my claims are valid unlike you guys. This doesn't even require thinking, just look at the specs and that's it. You need to understand that the Al-Khalid depends on speed like the T-series of Russia, and also note that the T-90S and Arjun are faster. So what does this mean? Also both tanks have better Armour especially the Arjun which is similiar to the M1A2, so here again the same applies. Overall India's tank inventory is superior unless Pakistan gets M1A2, which they were about to get. I am not making fun of Pakistna's Armed Forces, but right now it isn't that great. Forget about comparing Pakistan's Armed Forces to India, that's a little too ambitious even if we're a 2nd rate military, but you should compare with Iran. Start a thread, Pakistan vs Iran. I garuntee you that this nation is superior, like I said I proved that India is superior. You can go pop up into global security, and see my claim is completely valid.

 

[webmaster]

Neutral sources? So any source you post is neutral even though it has indian elements init and any source someone else posts is just plane biase and wrong?

 

[Bharat_R]

Globalsecurity and Fas.org is neutral, so its good enough; this means my claim is completely valid. If you don't believe about the converting Km/h to mph then go to www.howstuffwork.com .... other then that all the sources provided are Western, and the source saying the T-80 - T-99 are all designed to battle a T-72, so this means Al-Khalid was designed to do the same. This can be found on Sino-Defence.com

 

[Mujahid]

There's no one tank that is best for every situation. Take Israel's Merkava for example. It's one of the heaviest tanks in the world because it's mostly used in urban enviroments. Theres no fear of it sinking or anything, and it's often used as a troop transport as well. It would be too heavy and slow for a country like Pakistan to use. Similar thing with the US Abrams, it's best enviroment is in the desert like Iraq, though(I think?) it was originally developed for use over open plains and woodlands. There are many places where despite its awesome firepower and mobility, it would not be the best tank for the job.

I agree with you man,

But the abrams didnt work so well in the desert. You can get a report by some military material assesment department or whatever it is called but the point is that the report said that the abram werent ideal for desert combat. too many tanks had problems.

I think the merkava tank is not good versus other tanks. Its maybe good versus t-59 or t-75 or whatever but its not good versus al-khalid because its a slow and a very heavy tank so it would be out manuveured by the al khalid.



Wasalam,

Mujahid :cop

 

[Oqaab]

The Al-Khalid is more capable then Upgraded T-72s. It carries french auto-tracking system, auto-loaders, it has the ability to fire in motion and the TD-6 engines (1200 hp) powers the tank due to which its speed is 70 km/hr .

 

[Mujahid]

There's no one tank that is best for every situation. Take Israel's Merkava for example. It's one of the heaviest tanks in the world because it's mostly used in urban enviroments. Theres no fear of it sinking or anything, and it's often used as a troop transport as well. It would be too heavy and slow for a country like Pakistan to use. Similar thing with the US Abrams, it's best enviroment is in the desert like Iraq, though(I think?) it was originally developed for use over open plains and woodlands. There are many places where despite its awesome firepower and mobility, it would not be the best tank for the job.

I agree with you man,

But the abrams didnt work so well in the desert. You can get a report by some military material assesment department or whatever it is called but the point is that the report said that the abram werent ideal for desert combat. too many tanks had problems.

I think the merkava tank is not good versus other tanks. Its maybe good versus t-59 or t-75 or whatever but its not good versus al-khalid because its a slow and a very heavy tank so it would be out manuveured by the al khalid.



Wasalam,

Mujahid :cop

Al-Khalid rules


Wasalam,

Mujahid :cop

 

[AnonymousDoe]

The type 98G have new turret armor configuration. With "dazzler", its more advanced than any other defence. The main gun is 125mm, and can fire a laser guided missile. Abram's armor is about 1200mm, and the penetration of a missile is about 1500mm, you do the math. :cop

 

[AnonymousDoe]

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[AnonymousDoe]

Bharat_R
India army will lose to the Pakistan army, because the only thing India engineers can invent are ****** [Mod Edit: Please stick to the topic..Thank You.]

 

[corsair7772]

i aint votin 4 abrams cuz any1 can make a good tank if they spen a lot on it . i vote 4 tanks that give more and take less

 

[Awang se]

Is this a defence forum or another front in the Indo-Pak conflict? Please, keep it neutral will ya.

Anyway, Merkava 4 seems an impressive choice for me. not that i say i'm a strong supporter of Israel. personally i hate Israel since i'm the Muslim. but i cannot denied the fact that merkava is slightly superior (in firepower and protection) from any other tank exist today despite my personal feeling.

 

[corsair7772]

Isnt the merkava basically a ripp off of the Abrams?
Im not being critical here just curious.