Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? [Recent F-16 deal news, etc]

[P.A.F]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

one missile doesn't reveal all dude : . bvr depends on the subsystems and avionics of the plane as well. now the su-30 has got a backward seeking radar. has the jf-17? su-30MKI's radar has furture range then that of the jf-17 and range of radar improves BVR. the question is that will the PAF use sd-10 or their inferior H-2 & H-4 missiles?

 

[Oqaab]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

How many times I have to tell U that I m NOT comparing the avionic systems. Do U understand english BTW ?

Ive never said that the JF-17 is superior to Su-30MKI. But in BVR terms, JF-17 has superior weapon.

And JF-17s Grifo Radar is capable enough to launch SD-10 missiles. What were U trying to say ? If BARS radar has a tracking range of 150 km, that doesnt mean R-77 will become superior to SD-10. SD-10 can be launched before Su-30 launches its R-77.

 

[P.A.F]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

listen dude. i'm not wasting my time argueing anymore on this baseless non source provided topic :mad . the bottom line is that the BVR capibilities on the su-30MKI are far superior to that of the JF-17 :cop

 

[Revival_786]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

Now now... calm down fellow defencetalkiteers

I would seriously consider JF-17 with J-10 and Rafale. Maybe since we have a good relationship with the French and if we buy in large numbers we could get the Rafale for a cheap price :?

 

[P.A.F]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

i doubt we can get the rafales for cheap revival. france put a price on the mirage 2000-5's before and that price remained fixed and it was to expensive for the PAF at that time. i would prefer the JF-17 gripen and euro-fighter combo.

 

[corsair7772]

The Mirage 2000-5s were for a price tag of $4 billion and about 40 in number but with a reduced air to ground capability. Small potatoes eh?

Its hardly surprising that some people here still woo the eurofighter 2000 option, which is kinda like hoping that Bush converts to islam. It would be more reasonable to think tht the J-10 is inductable, although many officers in the PAF believe that the JF-17 alone with the proper stuff could handle all the top of the line problems.

 

[P.A.F]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

yeah corsair but it would be nice to have a HIGH-TECH WESTERN aircraft to fly alongside the JF-17 wouldn't it?

 

[lalith prasad]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

sorry to dissapoint you oqaab but india has the rvv-ae which is the best russian missile(an advanced variant of the r-77) this missile is almost as good as aim-120c ,india is also considering acquiring derby from israel and are developing the astra ,astra will be just as good as sd-10(speed m4+,max altitude 20kms,40g at sea level,range 80kms headon and 15kms tailchase with a solid fuel motor ,drdo claims range can be increased to 120kms with ramjet,warhead weight 15kgs missile weight 154kgs) latest reports state that israel will assist india in developing long range missiles and guidence systems,indian airchief is on a visit to israel.mbda has signed a deal to jointly develop with bdl(bharat dynamics limited)an entire family of missiles,by the way avionis are most important for a missile even if the missile is a bvr the superior the avionics the optimal utilisation of the missile .su30 can carry any missile besides french and israeli missiles.

 

[lalith prasad]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

by the way oqaab sd-10 utilises much of r77's components,india and russia are also developing the r172 missile. for confirmations of my opinion check

[Admin Edit: No "CHECKING" post the material here and LINK it to its appropriate place!]

 

[adsH]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

israel.mbda

isn't this british i thought MBDA was british

 

[Oqaab]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

listen dude. i'm not wasting my time argueing anymore on this baseless non source provided topic :mad . the bottom line is that the BVR capibilities on the su-30MKI are far superior to that of the JF-17 :cop

Even I am not interested in debating with people like U who do not care to do some research and post childish stuff. I m only proving what I said.

Here are the links,
http://sinodefence.com/airforce/weapon/sd10.asp
http://www.stormpages.com/jetfight/missile.htm

Read this if U are able to understand english.

Its ur turn to prove R-77 is superior to SD-10. I want links (which, I m sure, U dont have).

 

[P.A.F]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

Even I am not interested in debating with people like U who do not care to do some research and post childish stuff. I m only proving what I said.

what was so childish about my posts dude. i'm only telling you a fact of SU-30MKI's BVR capibilities being better then the JF-17's. your the one not doing the research and maybe your the one who doesn't understand english because most people in this thread tend to agree with me.

sorry to dissapoint you oqaab but india has the rvv-ae which is the best russian missile(an advanced variant of the r-77) this missile is almost as good as aim-120c ,india is also considering acquiring derby from israel and are developing the astra ,astra will be just as good as sd-10(speed m4+,max altitude 20kms,40g at sea level,range 80kms headon and 15kms tailchase with a solid fuel motor ,drdo claims range can be increased to 120kms with ramjet,warhead weight 15kgs missile weight 154kgs) latest reports state that israel will assist india in developing long range missiles and guidence systems,indian airchief is on a visit to israel.mbda has signed a deal to jointly develop with bdl(bharat dynamics limited)an entire family of missiles,by the way avionis are most important for a missile even if the missile is a bvr the superior the avionics the optimal utilisation of the missile .su30 can carry any missile besides french and israeli missiles.

now if you want to scream and screach over this topic then set up a new thread beacuse this doesn't belong here.
PEACE!!!!

 

[webmaster]

PAF it would be better if you could back your claims like oqaab has posted links and other info instead of just claiming it and frustrating oqaab.

 

[umair]

Actually PAF the R-77 AE is still under development.And one more thing this ain't no popularity contest get my drift?

 

[Oqaab]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

P.A.F,

As Webmaster has said,

PAF it would be better if you could back your claims like oqaab has posted links and other info instead of just claiming it and frustrating oqaab.

 

[Oqaab]

P.A.F, I m still waiting for links. Do U have any ? lol

 

[P.A.F]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

Its ur turn to prove R-77 is superior to SD-10. I want links (which, I m sure, U dont have).

read my posts carefully dude. i never said the r-77 is superior to the SD-10. i said that the SU-30MKI's OVERALL BVR capibilities are superior to the jf-17's.

 

[P.A.F]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

Actually PAF the R-77 AE is still under development.And one more thing this ain't no popularity contest get my drift?

actually i don't get your drift. and who said this is a popularity contest dude????

 

[webmaster]

Thats what he means, explain how they are superior? Get into the debate fully rather just posting one :nonsense line with a huge claim yet nothing to back it up.

 

[P.A.F]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

i can't find one at the moment but as soon as i get it i will post it for the people who really think that the jf-17's BVR capibilities are better then that of the su-30MKI's :rotfl.
for god shake. the SU-30 is a aircraft to be compared with the euro-fighter, rafale, gripen,f-16 and yet some people come along saying that the jf-17's bvr is superior to the su-30's : . man that makes me laugh