When America’s Stealth Monopoly Ends, What's Next?

[shockwave11]

Shockwave just a heads up. I am a patriot of Russian fighters, and would love nothing more then to see a Russian fighter outperform the competition by a wide margin. However, I have to be honest here. The current Flankers are far behind even the SH, never mind the Raptor. You are indeed wrong, on many levels. Please try to learn from what others have posted in response, then try to argue your way out of a situation where you clearly don't have the knowledge to debate.

Might be you are patriot of Russian fighters but I'm not .But in fact chances are increasing that one day my own country have to face these Russian made Devils of Indian air force.I would prefer to fight against those F16/18 or gripin & Raffale instead of Flankers & typhoons.Flankers can remain in air for longer time with more fuel then any other fighter.Yes no doubt they are less advance then the F22.
But are not inferior to any other fighter else F22 & typhoon.IAF can prove this if a war broke between India & Pakistan. Pakistan is using F16s & AIM120s(made in USA).And China will also prove the same very soon against Taiwan as Taiwan is also using "made in USA" tag in their air force

let's see how the Taiwanese air force will tackle those totally obsolete and use less Flankers of PLAAF

 

[shockwave11]

Already addressed that. Forgotten?

RIF.

It says the warhead can destroy missiles, what kind of missiles? Tomahawk?

I'm really sorry i'm not understanding what do you wanna say.
Would you plz explain once again in detail

 

[Marc 1]

If a moderator suffers from mental retardation and starts posting nonsense comments then I cannot call it fun.Oh give me a break don't even bother talking to me about sarcastic sense of humor.:nutkick

<Yawn> Bye...

 

[shockwave11]

shockwave11 all the info i have posted above i have learnt from this site.
Members share their info,and i read and take note of what the Defence Analyst and Serving members have to say about particular platforms.

You are right i know little about beyond visual range.(but i do read about it)

Also i am not a senior member(i never said i was senior memberdid i) or a Defence Analyst im actually a BUILDER by trade, that has an intrest in defence related matters.My lettering on my name is Purple just like yours

NOW I ASK YOU......
Will the Su30 go up against a F-18EFG?/F-16 platform Vs Platform?
NO, it go to war with ground based radar/tracking systems, AWACS, jamming,basically the full capability that one can bring.(hope we can agree on this point?)

Alot of new members(me included when i first joined)think that its F-18EFG Vs SU-30MKI ect.Platform Vs Platform.How nieve i was:

As for your points above on radars,yes you can be aware of an Aircraft rough position, but you cannot have cueing for a fire solution.

Aussie Digger has explained it Very well,(as you would expect all senior forum member to do)Thanx Digger!!

With Any Aircraft emiting power from its radar/trackig/cuieng systems ,you can have Passive(very difficult to detect)emissions and Active(detectable)emissions.The JSF will have alot of Passive equipment installed,making it very hard to detect.



This logic dose not make sense to me

my reasoning why

The SU30 has a massive radar cross section(it will be detected first by F18 super bug ASEA)

The F18 super bug will have first shoot capability.

How can you honestley say that a SU30 tracking a LO or VLO aircraft will have the advantage in tracking/first shoot/kill capability?

You have totally dis regarded the ASEA Radar and LO features of the F-18EFG while for some reason thinking the BARS radar on the SU-30 will out preform the ASEA and LO features on the F-18:nutkick

I do not agree with your point of view sorry mate:

Plz don't mind buddy; by mistake i said "you said you are a expert" and i hope so you were asking "Su30 go up against a F-18EF/F-16 platform Vs Platform" yes i agree that radars and sensors of US especially designed by 'Raytheon' are superb

 

[OPSSG]

Don't feel you any shame, spewing such uninformed posts before an informed forum? May I suggest that you stop posting (until you read more). If you don't intend to do some reading in defence matters, please don't fill up DT threads with your nonsense and factual errors. :unknown

Please do a little reading and research before posting. From today onwards, please consider providing a link to every point you post, because you have a proven track record of getting your basic facts wrong. At the very least, please, please read other threads in this DT so that we do not have to tolerate your very poorly informed posts and correct them.

so are we talking about "STEALTH".... STEALTH" in my opinion its just a propaganda of US and all pro US firms .

What is stealth? Have you read anything on the topic? BTW, professionals in this area don't like to use the term 'stealth'. Please search for posts on Very Low observable (VLO) technology and at least get a basic idea of what it is.

... all the knowledge of all weapons and electronics more then anybody

The computer you are using to write your posts has a US designed CPU (most likely either Intel or AMD chip)... This western electronic leadership enables low cost development using COTS technology for military applications, a developmental model China is also trying to emulate. Please also read up on "dual use" technologies and the recent US-China agreement on this issue.

What part of this do you not understand? [Note: This is a rhetorical question. If you don't understand what the word 'rhetorical' means, please use a dictionary.]

Please read up on AESA radar technology, which is not COTS technology. There are also numerous posts on AESA in DT.

This technology is use only effective against those Afghanistan & Iraq like country.

Your above statement is factually wrong.

(i) The Taliban do not operate a military effective air force in Afghanistan. No VLO technology is needed to bomb them into the stone age. There is no need to use VLO platforms against the Taliban.

(ii) During OIF, some of Iraq's pilots flew to Iran (their enemy) to escape from the US led coalition air power. The Iraqi air force was never a match for the USAF in air to air combat, with or without VLO technology. The Iraqi air force under Saddam ran away rather than fight, so Robert Kaplan is correct to say that "it has been a long time since our [Air Force] has truly fought another... air force."

(iii) In fact, VLO technology becomes more important, in an operational context when the USAF needs to bomb more capable opponents (eg. like China, should war occur). Further, VLO technology is useful in penetrating SAM defended enemy airspace for air to ground missions and it's application is not limited to countries like Iraq. Therefore, VLO platforms are useful for air to ground missions in any enemy country with air defence radar and SAMs.

As you all fans of American technology are thinking yours tech is far more better Sukhois are big flinging goose and their weapons R73/77 /27 are using many decades old technology then Mr.expert you must know that Taiwan Using US tech is much worried about those obsolete Russian cum Chinese weapons

Please read the link on Smart Munitions and the AIM-120 (see the AIM 120_C7 brochure) provided on missiles and other developments.

BTW, ONLY the USAF has a VLO fighters and bombers in service. The US is the world leader in VLO technology and VLO has many facets (please read up - I'm not going to spoon feed you). Further, the west and in particular the US has cutting edge electronics technology, so it is natural to talk about developments this area. If we don't talk about the US in VLO technology, who are we going to talk about? Don't be ridiculous.

please don't say that Taiwanese are not worried at all my respectable expert sir

Yes, the Taiwanese are worried about the PLA. This is because they don't have VLO technology (not allowed to buy the F-35) and may not be allowed to buy more F-16s. If there is war, the Taiwanese air force plans to shoot down China's wonderful licensed manufactured Su-27s (or the J-11) and your J-10s with their US made F-16s.

Note: Most sophisticated F-16 users (like S. Korea and Singapore) will not even consider buying the Su-30. I know, you are going to point to Indonesia (who has F-16s and Su-30s), but they are not sophisticated F-16 users, especially if they can only keep 1x F-16 flying.

Basic Additional Reading for Dummies: As I said before in another thread, you need to read more on defence matters to engage in a more meaningful discussion. You can start by reading up on the evolution of the F-16 and the Air Campaign by Col. Warden, which deals with the concept of air superiority. Attaining air superiority is not simple in either concept or execution. Please also read Greg Goebel's idiot proof guides on the F-22 Raptor and F-35 (please read the links provided before you further embarrass yourself ).

 

[onslaught]

OK
OK ok "STEALTH" .In my opinion its just a propaganda of US and all pro US firms .This technology is use only effective against those Afghanistan & Iraq like country.US & NATO also want to attack Iran & Nkorea (they are also Developing nuclear weapons)but they can't we all know why.As you all fans of American technology are thinking yours tech is far more better Sukhois are big flinging goose and their weapons R73/77 /27 are using many decades old technology then Mr.expert
you must know that Taiwan Using US tech is much worried about those obsolete Russian cum Chinese weapons
please don't say that Taiwanese are not worried at all my respectable expert sir

If stealth technology is just propaganda, then why is the PAK FA even being developed in the first place? Why are there stealth projects popping up all over the world like MiG Skat, J-XX, MCA, nEUROn, Mitsubishi ATD-X... As for their usefulness, during the First Gulf War, Iraq had a massive air defense network that only F-117 could safely penetrate to bomb targets in Baghdad. Have you seen the footage of the AAA over Baghdad? That's what F-117's had to get through and they did it easily.
Of course Taiwan is worried. The American technology they have isn't the newest technology. That's why they've been practically begging the US for more advanced stuff.
No one is saying that Russian technology sucks because it doesn't. It's just that American technology has been proven in combat more than their Russian counterparts.

 

[Feanor]

OPSG I am indeed amazed by your patience and willingness to educate people. No sarcasm. I honestly wouldn't have spent the time to provide all that info knowing that he isn't even going to look at it. And by the way, thank you. I'm enjoying reading a lot of it myself.

 

[SkolZkiy]

If stealth technology is just propaganda, then why is the PAK FA even being developed in the first place? Why are there stealth projects popping up all over the world like MiG Skat, J-XX, MCA, nEUROn, Mitsubishi ATD-X... As for their usefulness, during the First Gulf War, Iraq had a massive air defense network that only F-117 could safely penetrate to bomb targets in Baghdad. Have you seen the footage of the AAA over Baghdad? That's what F-117's had to get through and they did it easily.
Of course Taiwan is worried. The American technology they have isn't the newest technology. That's why they've been practically begging the US for more advanced stuff.
No one is saying that Russian technology sucks because it doesn't. It's just that American technology has been proven in combat more than their Russian counterparts.

How do you know that Stealth is the main feature of PAK-FA? F-22, F-35 are done with the main charecteristic of being almost invisible for a enemy before they reach the radius of AIM-120C\D. due to stealth Lockheed paid in some other parts. In Russia nobody will put stealth as the main feature - other traditions.

 

[shockwave11]

Don't feel you any shame, spewing such uninformed posts before an informed forum? May I suggest that you stop posting (until you read more). If you don't intend to do some reading in defence matters, please don't fill up DT threads with your nonsense and factual errors. :unknown

Please do a little reading and research before posting. From today onwards, please consider providing a link to every point you post, because you have a proven track record of getting your basic facts wrong. At the very least, please, please read other threads in this DT so that we do not have to tolerate your very poorly informed posts and correct them.



What is stealth? Have you read anything on the topic? BTW, professionals in this area don't like to use the term 'stealth'. Please search for posts on Low observable (VLO) technology and at least get a basic idea of what it is.



The computer you are using to write your posts has a US designed CPU (most likely either Intel or AMD chip)... This western electronic leadership enables low cost development using COTS technology for military applications, a developmental model China is also trying to emulate. Please also read up on "dual use" technologies and the recent US-China agreement on this issue.

What part of this do you not understand? [Note: This is a rhetorical question. If you don't understand what the word 'rhetorical' means, please use a dictionary.]

Please read up on AESA radar technology, which is not COTS technology. There are also numerous posts on AESA in DT.



Your above statement is factually wrong.

(i) The Taliban do not operate a military effective air force in Afghanistan. No VLO technology is needed to bomb them into the stone age. There is no need to use VLO platforms against the Taliban.

(ii) During OIF, some of Iraq's pilots flew to Iran (their enemy) to escape from the US led coalition air power. The Iraqi air force was never a match for the USAF in air to air combat, with or without VLO technology. The Iraqi air force under Saddam ran away rather than fight, so Robert Kaplan is correct to say that "it has been a long time since our [Air Force] has truly fought another... air force."

(iii) In fact, VLO technology becomes more important, in an operational context when the USAF needs to bomb more capable opponents (eg. like China, should war occur). Further, VLO technology is useful in penetrating SAM defended enemy airspace for air to ground missions and it's application is not limited to countries like Iraq. Therefore, VLO platforms are useful for air to ground missions in any enemy country with air defence radar and SAMs.



Please read the link on Smart Munitions and the AIM-120 (see the AIM 120_C7 brochure) provided on missiles and other developments.

BTW, ONLY the USAF has a VLO fighters and bombers in service. The US is the world leader in VLO technology and VLO has many facets (please read up - I'm not going to spoon feed you). Further, the west and in particular the US has cutting edge electronics technology, so it is natural to talk about developments this area. If we don't talk about the US in VLO technology, who are we going to talk about? Don't be ridiculous.



Yes, the Taiwanese are worried about the PLA. This is because they don't have VLO technology (not allowed to buy the F-35) and may not be allowed to buy more F-16s. If there is war, the Taiwanese air force plans to shoot down China's wonderful licensed manufactured Su-27s (or the J-11) and your J-10s with their US made F-16s.

Note: Most sophisticated F-16 users (like S. Korea and Singapore) will not even consider buying the Su-30. I know, you are going to point to Indonesia (who has F-16s and Su-30s), but they are not sophisticated F-16 users, especially if they can only keep 1x F-16 flying.

Basic Additional Reading for Dummies: As I said before in another thread, you need to read more on defence matters to engage in a more meaningful discussion. You can start by reading up on the evolution of the F-16 and the Air Campaign by Col. Warden, which deals with the concept of air superiority. Attaining air superiority is not simple in either concept or execution. Please also read Greg Goebel's idiot proof guides on the F-22 Raptor and F-35 (please read the links provided before you further embarrass yourself ).

I can understand why are you shouting .Its natural for ignorant people like you ,cool down man. You said "please don't fill up DT threads with your nonsense and factual errors" may be because you have a habit of reading posts like
"yes US and NATO &F16/18,AIM120/7 are best even those F4s are better then those flankers .....nobody can stop us from making those Asian and African countries our colonies once again. after all we are far superior then them" :vamp
May i also have permission to say to you all "please don't fill up DT threads with nonsense ideas & Thoughts Like......PAK-FA will be hardly comparable to all those F16/18/35s & typhoons" or only the senior members has that type of rights

And a very basic information for all hornet lovers .F/A-18 Super hornet is not a Air superiority fighter but instead it is a strike fighter it is a no match for those MIGs & Flankers.Please don't believe me It may me my "nonsense and factual errors" better chq this link.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/...t/2007/03/14/1173722557984.html?page=fullpage

Yeah The F-15 is no doubt equivalent to those flankers in fact some sense
better. And I think F-15 don't have those LOs or VLOs .........& you are so much worried about LO/VLO I think you don't know that F-15 was the main Air superiority fighter of USAF untill before intro of F-22 in 2006 AND it is Still the main fighter of Japan,SKorea,Saudi cant they purchase yours favorite F-18 having LO especial when they are preparing to counter Flankers AND the euro fighter typhoon also don't have that LO the main Air superiority fighter of many European countries

 

[shockwave11]

Don't feel you any shame, spewing such uninformed posts before an informed forum? May I suggest that you stop posting (until you read more). If you don't intend to do some reading in defence matters, please don't fill up DT threads with your nonsense and factual errors. :unknown

Please do a little reading and research before posting. From today onwards, please consider providing a link to every point you post, because you have a proven track record of getting your basic facts wrong. At the very least, please, please read other threads in this DT so that we do not have to tolerate your very poorly informed posts and correct them.



What is stealth? Have you read anything on the topic? BTW, professionals in this area don't like to use the term 'stealth'. Please search for posts on Low observable (VLO) technology and at least get a basic idea of what it is.



The computer you are using to write your posts has a US designed CPU (most likely either Intel or AMD chip)... This western electronic leadership enables low cost development using COTS technology for military applications, a developmental model China is also trying to emulate. Please also read up on "dual use" technologies and the recent US-China agreement on this issue.

What part of this do you not understand? [Note: This is a rhetorical question. If you don't understand what the word 'rhetorical' means, please use a dictionary.]

Please read up on AESA radar technology, which is not COTS technology. There are also numerous posts on AESA in DT.



Your above statement is factually wrong.

(i) The Taliban do not operate a military effective air force in Afghanistan. No VLO technology is needed to bomb them into the stone age. There is no need to use VLO platforms against the Taliban.

(ii) During OIF, some of Iraq's pilots flew to Iran (their enemy) to escape from the US led coalition air power. The Iraqi air force was never a match for the USAF in air to air combat, with or without VLO technology. The Iraqi air force under Saddam ran away rather than fight, so Robert Kaplan is correct to say that "it has been a long time since our [Air Force] has truly fought another... air force."

(iii) In fact, VLO technology becomes more important, in an operational context when the USAF needs to bomb more capable opponents (eg. like China, should war occur). Further, VLO technology is useful in penetrating SAM defended enemy airspace for air to ground missions and it's application is not limited to countries like Iraq. Therefore, VLO platforms are useful for air to ground missions in any enemy country with air defence radar and SAMs.



Please read the link on Smart Munitions and the AIM-120 (see the AIM 120_C7 brochure) provided on missiles and other developments.

BTW, ONLY the USAF has a VLO fighters and bombers in service. The US is the world leader in VLO technology and VLO has many facets (please read up - I'm not going to spoon feed you). Further, the west and in particular the US has cutting edge electronics technology, so it is natural to talk about developments this area. If we don't talk about the US in VLO technology, who are we going to talk about? Don't be ridiculous.



Yes, the Taiwanese are worried about the PLA. This is because they don't have VLO technology (not allowed to buy the F-35) and may not be allowed to buy more F-16s. If there is war, the Taiwanese air force plans to shoot down China's wonderful licensed manufactured Su-27s (or the J-11) and your J-10s with their US made F-16s.

Note: Most sophisticated F-16 users (like S. Korea and Singapore) will not even consider buying the Su-30. I know, you are going to point to Indonesia (who has F-16s and Su-30s), but they are not sophisticated F-16 users, especially if they can only keep 1x F-16 flying.

Basic Additional Reading for Dummies: As I said before in another thread, you need to read more on defence matters to engage in a more meaningful discussion. You can start by reading up on the evolution of the F-16 and the Air Campaign by Col. Warden, which deals with the concept of air superiority. Attaining air superiority is not simple in either concept or execution. Please also read Greg Goebel's idiot proof guides on the F-22 Raptor and F-35 (please read the links provided before you further embarrass yourself ).

And i think you you are also concerned about SU-30
lets search DID(defenseindustrydaily.com)
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/india-russia-in-negotiations-re-nextgeneration-fighter-03133/
this is the where you can learn a lot

 

[OPSSG]

OPSSG I am indeed amazed by your patience and willingness to educate people.

Thank you for your encouragement to post information. Mind you, I only posted after a few fellow forum members have tried and failed to get shockwave11 to listen.

I honestly wouldn't have spent the time to provide all that info knowing that he isn't even going to look at it. And by the way, thank you. I'm enjoying reading a lot of it myself.

You are right.

shockwave11 did not even look at the links and lacks the ability to understand the links provided. It is impossible to have an informed discussion with him on VLO technology, given his current attitude. Like his posts here, in the Defending Singapore Island thread, he informs me, "China is not the devil". This is typical of his over the top writing style that is hard to understand, lacking in substance and facts, as shown below:

"yes US and NATO &F16/18,AIM120/7 are best even those F4s are better then those flankers .....nobody can stop us from making those Asian and African countries our colonies once again. after all we are far superior then them"

May i also have permission to say to you all "please don't fill up DT threads with nonsense ideas & Thoughts Like......PAK-FA will be hardly comparable to all those F16/18/35s & typhoons" or only the senior members has that type of rights

shockwave11 also wrongly attributes things to me that I did not write. Further, he assumes that I know less than him on the topic of modern fighters (see posts #228 to #234 in the RSAF thread) or the relevant technology. He is trying to derail this thread on 'new technologies after the stealth monopoly ends' because his poor ego is hurt.

I'll stop responding to shockwave11, as ignorance is bliss. He seems to be from China (given his poor command of the English language and his nationalistic anti-Taiwan BS) but he states in his profile that he is from New Delhi, is an electronic engineer interested in radar and sensors.

Yeah The F-15 is no doubt equivalent to those flankers in fact some sense better. And I think F-15 don't have those LOs or VLOs .........& you are so much worried about LO/VLO I think you don't know that F-15 was the main Air superiority fighter of USAF until before intro of F-22 in 2006 AND it is still the main fighter of Japan,S. Korea, Saudi they cant purchase yours favorite F-18 having LO especial when they are preparing to counter Flankers AND the euro fighter typhoon also don't have that LO the main Air superiority fighter of many European countries

Haha. shockwave11 is good at making assumptions. nfloorl:

BTW, I don't feel the urge to correct his posts further. Can someone else please respond to his posts?

 

[localhost127]

In Russia nobody will put stealth as the main feature - other traditions.

so, what are these 'other traditions' that Russia puts first in design, and why do they disregard all forms of modern combat and future combat scenarios and planning? do you know something their engineers do not?

 

[the road runner]

I can understand why are you shouting .Its natural for ignorant people like you ,cool down man. You said "please don't fill up DT threads with your nonsense and factual errors" may be because you have a habit of reading posts like
"yes US and NATO &F16/18,AIM120/7 are best even those F4s are better then those flankers .....nobody can stop us from making those Asian and African countries our colonies once again. after all we are far superior then them" :vamp
May i also have permission to say to you all "please don't fill up DT threads with nonsense ideas & Thoughts Like......PAK-FA will be hardly comparable to all those F16/18/35s & typhoons" or only the senior members has that type of rights

And a very basic information for all hornet lovers .F/A-18 Super hornet is not a Air superiority fighter but instead it is a strike fighter it is a no match for those MIGs & Flankers.Please don't believe me It may me my "nonsense and factual errors" better chq this link.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/...t/2007/03/14/1173722557984.html?page=fullpage

Yeah The F-15 is no doubt equivalent to those flankers in fact some sense
better. And I think F-15 don't have those LOs or VLOs .........& you are so much worried about LO/VLO I think you don't know that F-15 was the main Air superiority fighter of USAF untill before intro of F-22 in 2006 AND it is Still the main fighter of Japan,SKorea,Saudi cant they purchase yours favorite F-18 having LO especial when they are preparing to counter Flankers AND the euro fighter typhoon also don't have that LO the main Air superiority fighter of many European countries

OPSSG nice try but he is all yours:

Shockwave11,it seems to me your a childish person who will not or cannot accept being wrong.Listen and learn will be my last words of advice and dont come back and say im being rude or shouting.

I would stop spreading properganda about aircraft you fail to read up on.Its obviouse to even a junior member(like myself) that your post lack insight and understanding on the basic principles of LO or VLO Aircraft.

You have an opinion,thats great stick with it,im sure you will not change anyones opinion of LO or VLO as WE at Defense Today KNOW that

LO and VLO,with cutting edge sensors,radar,internal weapons,beyond Visual range weapons,will be a Nightmare scenario for SU-27/SU-30.

I will leave on this note....If SU-30 is so advanced and able to shoot down F-22/JSF,why is western avionics beieng installed on SU-30MKI?

I will not post a reply even if you ask for one Shockwave11,i have tired of you

 

[Feanor]

Better yet is the Flanker family in it's modern incarnation even meant to compete with a Western airforce? Sure doesn't look like it. Russian doctrine emphasizes nuclear deterrence. In terms of India, Pakistan is hardly a western style airforce, despite numbers of F-16s. Taiwan maybe the one exception. Who else? Venezuela? Vietnam? Algeria? How many of those countries seriously expect to stand up to the USAF? Or even a NATO taskforce?

The market niche that the Flanker has occupied is that of a relatively advanced, inexpensive fighter for 2nd and 3rd world countries. Naturally it's cannon fodder for more advanced opponents.

 

[SkolZkiy]

so, what are these 'other traditions' that Russia puts first in design, and why do they disregard all forms of modern combat and future combat scenarios and planning? do you know something their engineers do not?

Please explain to me what do you mean saying 'modern combat and future combat scenarios and planning" and I'll answer you.

 

[OPSSG]

so, what are these 'other traditions' that Russia puts first in design, and why do they disregard all forms of modern combat and future combat scenarios and planning? do you know something their engineers do not?

Just a heads up. SkolZkiy usually has a interesting perspective and is non-western in his understanding of fighter technology. I really like to read what he posts, as he allows me to see things from a totally different perspective.

 

[localhost127]

well, i suppose after reading a few more of the posts in this thread, the question goes back to:

is russia designing their fighters to combat western designs, or is the higher priority to be able to sell/export planes to countries whose design requirements might be different than that against western aircraft.

 

[SkolZkiy]

well, i suppose after reading a few more of the posts in this thread, the question goes back to:

is russia designing their fighters to combat western designs, or is the higher priority to be able to sell/export planes to countries whose design requirements might be different than that against western aircraft.

First you as well didn't answer my question to cocretize you own qeustion so I'll be able to answer
Second - Su-27 and MiG-29 are enough capable to fight against F-15, F-16 and F-18. But in numbers of cause US is ahead - AF and AC of NAVY because they US main force and Russia is another question.
Su-30 and it's modifications are specially designed for export in 90-s when there was a great disaster in RuAF like in the whole country. SU-35BM and MiG-35 are also mostly export designs (this is my own opinion) while PAK-FA is mostly for domestic use. There was said that we need 300 and may be if possible 600 such AC. Do you know plans for F-35 for US DM? near 2500 AC. this doesn't mean that US will dominate in the air, this means DIFFERENT VIEWS ON A MODERN WARFARE!!! Russia is a continental country - AF main task is to SUPPORT HEAVILY DEFENDED with mobile ADS ground forces.
As we see in Iraq and Afgan US AF is the main instrument for US DM and Army destroy some particular targets.

 

[localhost127]

First you as well didn't answer my question to cocretize you own qeustion so I'll be able to answer
Second - Su-27 and MiG-29 are enough capable to fight against F-15, F-16 and F-18. But in numbers of cause US is ahead - AF and AC of NAVY because they US main force and Russia is another question.
Su-30 and it's modifications are specially designed for export in 90-s when there was a great disaster in RuAF like in the whole country. SU-35BM and MiG-35 are also mostly export designs (this is my own opinion) while PAK-FA is mostly for domestic use. There was said that we need 300 and may be if possible 600 such AC. Do you know plans for F-35 for US DM? near 2500 AC. this doesn't mean that US will dominate in the air, this means DIFFERENT VIEWS ON A MODERN WARFARE!!! Russia is a continental country - AF main task is to SUPPORT HEAVILY DEFENDED with mobile ADS ground forces.
As we see in Iraq and Afgan US AF is the main instrument for US DM and Army destroy some particular targets.

sorry, i meant to say i was 're-stating' my question/what i meant with my previous post. thanks,

 

[Feanor]

Lets elaborate on that. The USAF and USN are force projection tools designed to provide air superiority and be one of the main tools for victory. The VVS is designed to protect Russian airspace and provide support to Russian land forces, in tandem with high density GBAD deployments.

I would suggest that the AESA armed F-15s currently have a large advantage even over the SM Flankers and SMT Fulcrums, never mind the baseline Su-27S or MiG-29B. So in that sense the VVS is indeed behind. However keep in mind that 1) the US is not a potential opponent. Nuclear deterrence. And 2) the VVS are currently in bad shape. We'll have to wait 5 years or so and then see how it looks.

In terms of priorities I would say that the Su-30MK series are indeed purely export models occupying a very specific market niche. Non-western oriented countries that need an inespensive but fairly advanced fighter. It doesn't win prizes for advanced technology, but it's inexpensive (relatively) and fairly effective. It also comes with no string attached. Which means that (for example) Indonesia can buy them and then use them however they see fit. Or Venezuela. The Su-35BM and MiG-35 are oriented to try to win over a new market niche and compete directly with western designs. Hence why the Su-35BM was in the F-X2, and the MiG-35 is in the MMRCA tender. Will both be pushed to traditional customers in need of new aircraft, like Venezuela, Libya, or Yemen? Yes. But they are indeed aimed at competing at least on some level with western designs.

The PAK-FA is a whole Pandoras box, so I'm going to leave it out of the discussion.

As for the needs of the VVS, it's pretty clear that the only thing currently coming in will be the Su-34, as the Su-24M definetly needs to go. The Su-35BM will probably be purchased in token numbers (maybe the two regiments that Zelin mentioned) to help promote it abroad. Modernized SM and potential SM2 Flankers will be the way to go, as well as modernzied to SMT level Fulcrums, until a new fighter becomes available. They're still fiddling around with the BM mod. for the MiG-31. This is deemed enough for any adversary to weak to be deterred by nuclear weapons (Georgia, etc).