Vietnamese Air Force

Feanor

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A thread about the Vietnamese Air Force seems not to exist yet, so lets start one.

I just found this.
Вьетнам заключил контракт на российские учебно-боевые самолеты Як-130 - Ведомости

So did Vietnam really ordered 12 Yak-130 jet trainers/light fighters?
It sure looks like it, and it makes total sense within the context of their existing Flanker fleet. It's also likely that they will at some point purchase more Flanker family jets,
 

OPSSG

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A thread about the Vietnamese Air Force seems not to exist yet, so lets start one.

I just found this.
Вьетнам заключил контракт на российские учебно-боевые самолеты Як-130 - Ведомости

So did Vietnam really ordered 12 Yak-130 jet trainers/light fighters?
Vietnam is the third user of the YAK-130 in Southeast Asia after Myanmar and Laos. Russian media outlet Vedomosti says the contract is worth US$350 million.

Makes sense as Vietnam operates a small Russian supplied fleet of multi-role aircraft, with the ambition to be one of the more capable 2nd tier ASEAN Air Forces. By 2026, Vietnam’s force structure is just a bit smaller than Singapore (4 G550 AEWs, a detachment of 4 F-35Bs, 3 squadrons of 60 F-16Vs and 2 squadrons of 40 F-15SGs) and Thailand (a single Saab 340 AEW&C, 2 squadrons of 30 upgraded F-5s, 2 squadrons of 38 F-16ADF, a squadron of 7 JAS 39C/D Gripens and 19 Alpha Jets) who are leagues ahead, in tier 1 (with tertiary capabilities).

By 2026, Vietnam will have an advanced Air Force that is on par with Indonesia (and a step far ahead of Malaysia). Vietnam currently operates:
  • a fleet of 36 Su-22, with greater focus on close-air support. These aircraft are armed with dual 30mm cannons and 12 hardpoints capable of integrating a range of Russian designed and manufactured air-to-air, air-to-ground and air-to-surface munitions, including 'dumb' and 'smart' bombs, with a max load capacity of 8,800 pounds.
  • a fleet of 11 of the Su-27P/SK/UBK variants. The Su-27SK variant, serves as the base model for the Vietnamese operated variants. These aircraft are armed with a single 30mm cannon and has 10 hardpoints capable of carrying a range of Russian made air-to-air, air-to-ground and air-to-surface munitions, including 'dumb' and 'smart' bombs with a maximum load capacity of about 10,000 pounds.
  • a fleet of 36 Su-30MK2 that serve as the backbone of the nation's air force. The Su-30 has a max speed of Mach 2 and range of about 3,000 kilometres. The aircraft is armed with a single 30mm cannon and 12 hardpoints capable of carrying a variety of Russian and Chinese made air-to-air, air-to-ground and air-to-surface munitions, including 'dumb' and 'smart' bombs with a maximum load capacity of about 18,000 pounds.
Vietnam's proximity to and interests in the South China Sea and historical disputes with China have required that the nation maintain a well-rounded, yet highly capable fighter force capable of competing with larger nations and will continue to form the backbone of their strategic and tactical response to the rapidly changing region.

Vietnam indicates in a 2019 defense white paper it will pursue stronger military ties abroad as China challenges its maritime sovereignty claims, and analysts expect that to mean more exercises with Western-leaning foreign powers and brisker purchases of foreign weapons. They may want to deepen cooperation with other powers, but how far they can or will go they don’t say specifically in the White paper. India and Vietnam signed a deal in 2018 to step up defense cooperation, and Vietnamese military personnel already train at Australian defense institutions. The White paper’s wording implies that Vietnamese officials feel confident they can join any future US military exercises with ASEAN. Further, in Aug 2018, a French air force squadron paid its first visit to Vietnam in the contemporary bilateral relationship. The squadron included 3 Rafale fighters, one A400M plane, one C-135 plane and one A310 plane, in addition to 100 personnel, headed by General Patrick Charaix, commander of France’s Strategic Air Forces Command.
 
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Ananda

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It's also likely that they will at some point purchase more Flanker family jets
Some media in Vietnam already talking for Su-35. Su-35 more fitting with Vietnam AF than Indonesia AF for example due to Vietnam AF support infrastructure already build based on Russian tech and supply chain.

This is much more sense then some Vietnamese fan boys talking on F-16V for their AF. Introduce F-16 to their AF will result just like what Indonesia AF experience when introduce Flankers on their mostly Western based supporting infrastructure.

Despite some negative opinion toward Indian AF performance lately, so far they are doing reasonable action in my opinion on their fighter procurement with Russian and French assets as they are already have long experience on both Russian and French support infrastructure.

Introduce C-130J or AH-64E on their arsenal will create another cost build up on support infrastructure, but it still less burdensome compared to introduce F-16V or F-18E/F in their inventory.
 

Ananda

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Make some rationale sense if they are doing it like that. After all Yak-130 is more advance airframe. However in my opinion is bit redundant. They already got T-6C, which like current advance Turboprop trainers, can mimic small turbofan trainers like L-39.

Unless Yak-150 will be more use as Light Attack as other ASEAN members use FA/TA-50 on that function. Just got sense this is more due to Vietnam AF familiarity with L-39.
 

Ananda

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6 more L39 NG (now call L39 Skyfox by the producer) being send to Vietnam AF. Make it 12 of them in inventory. The Czech Aero Vodochody put Western Avionics and Engines in L-39NG compare to previous generation L-39 in Vietnam AF inventory. In sense like T-6C, their trainers are Western origin now.

Still then their pilots will transition back to Russian system with Yak 130. Considering their fighters fleet consist of Su-22 and Flankers with the talk of Su-35 will still get momentum to be procure rather then F-16V.
 

Ananda

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  1. This is questionable that it is already a contract. I suspect they have reach an intent but not yet contract. Just like Indonesia with F-15EX/IDN, this Vietnam F-16V more still as strong intentions. Both part of tariff trade negotiations. But considering how both Vietnam just like Indonesia need to close gap on deficit with US, strong potential in deed.
  2. This talk on the article for Vietnam problem with Su-27/30, personally I believe as very strong BS. Especially it is coming from Ukraine source. Vietnam have good support infrastructure already for Su-27/30 and base on Vietnam sources they tend to keep operating them.
  3. If F-16 (potentially V model), it is going to replace Su-22. Vietnam forum and media already talk on Vietnam AF intentions finding replacement for Su-22.
 

Ananda

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didn´t found a thread regarding the VN AF.

My question: Are these purchases a sign for a deeper US/VN relationship in face of the Chinese claims in the South Chinese Sea, and what is China responding?"
Vietnamese Army
@Hoover let me answer your question on this Vietnam AF thread.


This article shown not only Vietnam, but many of the neighbours in SEA/ASEAN face:
  1. All ASEAN increasing their military spending due to Geoplotics in SCS, Taiwan, and Globally.
  2. However they don't want to be sandwiches and force to choose between US and China as ASEAN need both. Vietnam for example waries of China, but also benefitted much from China supply chain. Basically Trump high tarrif to ASEAN due to its supply chain interconnected with China ones.
  3. Most of ASEAN simply want to reduce dependencies to one major supplier. Vietnam especially since 80%+ of their armament depend to Russia supply chain. With the War in Ukraine, it is simply getting less dependeable.
With Trump tariff, procuring US products it is also going to be factor in on tariff reduction negotiation. Vietnam want to use 24 F-16V same as Indonesia want to use 24 F-15EX as part of that tariff reduction calculation.

Politics matter, but economics is matter more.
 

Ananda

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@Vietdefense could you elaborate more on your claim on this ?

So far all claim in media shown Vietnam still in negotiation to buy F-16V and C130J.


Trump also reduce the Tariff for Vietnam goods, talk about improving relationship with Vietnam. Vietnam President also before talk on increasing Vietnam procurement of US exports. That's not shown Trump freezing F-16V and C-130J deal. In fact Trump expect more procurement from.Vietnam on US exports.
 
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