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dprijadi

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Regarding the latest shotdown of goverment MI-8 Helicopter, there is a possibility that chopper was carrying non-ukraine personel (either foreign mercs or US agents)..

Source : http://icorpus.ru/svodka-ot-strelkova-25-06-2014-1100/

Briefing from Igor Strelkov, June 25, 2015, 11:00
Original: Icorpus.ru

On June 24, the anti-aircraft detachment of the militia shot down a military transport helicopter MI-8 in the are of the Karachun Mount. [The helicopter] was transporting a group of high-level SBU [Security Service of Ukraine] officers and special intelligence-gathering equipment. According to the statement from the Ukrainian side, 9 servicemen of the Ukrainian forces died; however, I do not preclude the possibility that either foreign military advisors or the commanding staff of a PMC [Private Military Contractor] were present on board.
My own observation of the previous air transport shotdown, the rebels seem to have a very good intelligence on who is on board the crafts and it seem they shotdown transport aircraft that carry 'important' persons , like the helicopter that carried the general..
 

Rimasta

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Regarding the latest shotdown of goverment MI-8 Helicopter, there is a possibility that chopper was carrying non-ukraine personel (either foreign mercs or US agents)..

Source : http://icorpus.ru/svodka-ot-strelkova-25-06-2014-1100/



My own observation of the previous air transport shotdown, the rebels seem to have a very good intelligence on who is on board the crafts and it seem they shotdown transport aircraft that carry 'important' persons , like the helicopter that carried the general..
I'm just curious, as there been ANY sightings of American personnel in ANY capacity? I keep hearing about Americans and mercs but I've yet to see a source giving weight to these claims. The Ukraine was and is a NATO partner nation so I'd remind some that the US was working with the Ukrainian military long before the "Ukraine Crisis" began unfolding. If the US is helping Kiev, then I'd say they aren't being very effective, as it stands it seems there is a stalemate. The government has greater resources than the rebels but the rebels (some) are fighting not far from their homes, and are therefore well motivated. Add Russian logistical support to the rebels brings the conflict to a stalemate.
Would live some evidence of NATO actually supporting Kiev in the field. The pictures and videos Feanors has been providing seem to paint a bleak picture regarding the state of the Ukrainian armed forces. Hardly the beginnings of a fascists blitzkrieg of Eastern Europe if they can't even secure their own country.
 

Feanor

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I'm just curious, as there been ANY sightings of American personnel in ANY capacity? I keep hearing about Americans and mercs but I've yet to see a source giving weight to these claims. The Ukraine was and is a NATO partner nation so I'd remind some that the US was working with the Ukrainian military long before the "Ukraine Crisis" began unfolding.
The answer is no. Foreign private contractors have been sighted, and at this point we can be fairly certain that they are there, but they're most likely present primarily in a non-combat role for training purposes. There has been no positive identification of US personnel.

If the US is helping Kiev, then I'd say they aren't being very effective, as it stands it seems there is a stalemate. The government has greater resources than the rebels but the rebels (some) are fighting not far from their homes, and are therefore well motivated. Add Russian logistical support to the rebels brings the conflict to a stalemate.
It's not a stalemate. Despite their incompetence, corruption, and the pathetic state of the Ukrainian military, they're slowly but surely advancing against the rebels. As it stands, it looks like they will win. That having been said their victory is far from assured, and their resources are finite. It remains to be seen how things end.

Would live some evidence of NATO actually supporting Kiev in the field.
There isn't any.

The pictures and videos Feanors has been providing seem to paint a bleak picture regarding the state of the Ukrainian armed forces. Hardly the beginnings of a fascists blitzkrieg of Eastern Europe if they can't even secure their own country.
There is no current risk of a fascist aggression out of Ukraine, and the risk of an actual fascist government coming to power in Ukraine has decreased not increased over the last couple of months.

Regarding the latest shotdown of goverment MI-8 Helicopter, there is a possibility that chopper was carrying non-ukraine personel (either foreign mercs or US agents)..

Source : http://icorpus.ru/svodka-ot-strelkova-25-06-2014-1100/



My own observation of the previous air transport shotdown, the rebels seem to have a very good intelligence on who is on board the crafts and it seem they shotdown transport aircraft that carry 'important' persons , like the helicopter that carried the general..
No evidence of foreign mercs on board. The aircraft had 3 crew, and 6 SBU officers. Though you're right on the intel. It's suspicious how they get the helos. Then again it's possible that, given how few helos there are, they're primarily used for carrying important personnel and cargo.
 

Feanor

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Update.

Government troops have approached a small village 21 kms from Lugansk. They're very close to the city itself.

Колонна украинÑкой бронетехники подошла к поÑелку в 21 км от ЛуганÑка

Russia's best EW and ELINT systems are being sent to the Ukrainian border. What their purpose there is remains unclear.

РоÑÑÐ¸Ñ Ð¿ÐµÑ€ÐµÐ±Ñ€Ð°Ñывает на границу Ñ Ð£ÐºÑ€Ð°Ð¸Ð½Ð¾Ð¹ новейшие комплекÑÑ‹ разведки и управлениÑ

A Ukrainian troop column, and military unit were attacked in Donbass, shortly before the cease-fire expires. The attack on the column was defeated, but the military unit was overrun by DNR btln Kal'mius. Military unit No 3004 is now under rebel control. No information on casualties or captured gear.

Íîâîñòè NEWSru.com :: Íàêàíóíå çàâåðøåíèÿ ïåðåìèðèÿ â Äîíáàññå ñåïàðàòèñòû íàïàëè íà êîëîííó óêðàèíñêèõ ñèëîâèêîâ è âîåííóþ ÷àñòü

A new MVD btln is being formed by Ukraine. The commanding officer is a former criminal.

Ð”ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ ÐœÐ¾ÐºÑ€ÑƒÑˆÐ¸Ð½ - Из уголовников в командиры Ñпецбатальона МВД

An armored UAZ in rebel hands, Lugansk.

Ð”ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ ÐœÐ¾ÐºÑ€ÑƒÑˆÐ¸Ð½ - Бронированный УÐЗ ЛÐР

Supposedly Ukrainian army camp near Krasniy Liman. I have my doubts, it looks more like a rebel encampment, but honestly who knows.

Ð”ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ ÐœÐ¾ÐºÑ€ÑƒÑˆÐ¸Ð½ - Ðепуганные

Poroshenko says that relations with Russia can only be restored if Russia returns Crimea.

Íîâîñòè NEWSru.com :: Ïîðîøåíêî èñêëþ÷èë âîçìîæíîñòü âîññòàíîâëåíèÿ îòíîøåíèé ñ Ðîññèåé áåç âîçâðàùåíèÿ Êðûìà

BTR-3E1s destined for Thailand will instead go to the Ukrainian National Guard.

Íåñìîòðÿ íà âîåííûé ïåðåâîðîò, Òàèëàíä òàê è íå ïîëó÷èë óêðàèíñêóþ áðîíåòåõíèêó | Íîâîñòè Îäåññû
 

Feanor

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Update.

Strelkov's fighter counter-attacked out of Slavyansk using armored vehicles (apparently two T-64BVs both of which were damaged by government fire, but apparently not destroyed). They have completely annihilated a government checkpoint, destroying two BTRs and several trucks. Some sources report 4 destroyed BTRs, but the rebels themselves confirm two destroyed, one captured. The position is called Rybnoe Khozyaystvo. Rebels have captured one armored vehicle, 3 AGS-17s, one Vasilek automatic mortar, one Fagot ATGM, and lots of munitions (rebels claim a truck full). Over 20 government soldiers (National Guard and Army) are reported dead.

Government troops responded with artillery fire and a decisive counter-attack. The physical terrain is back under government control.

Блог ÐлекÑандра Шакуна - СлавÑнÑк. БлокпоÑÑ‚ Ñлаваукраинцев на Рыбхозе вÑÑ‘
Ð’ результате ночных боев украинÑкие Ñиловики понеÑли значительные потери
Вахтенный журнал Ñтареющего пирата - СлавÑнÑк. БлокпоÑÑ‚ Ñиловиков - вдребезги...
Вахтенный журнал Ñтареющего пирата - Ð£Ñ‚Ð¾Ñ‡Ð½Ñ‘Ð½Ð½Ð°Ñ Ñводка Стрелка...
bmpd -
Ð”ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ ÐœÐ¾ÐºÑ€ÑƒÑˆÐ¸Ð½ - Уничтоженный блокпоÑÑ‚

Ukrainian government troops have also captured several small villages, and a key road intersection near Slavyansk.

Вахтенный журнал Ñтареющего пирата - ÐÑ€Ñ‚Ð¸Ð»Ð»ÐµÑ€Ð¸Ñ Ñиловиков in action...

Conscripts from the military unit 3004 captured by rebels in Donetsk are being released to go home. The rebel representative says that they are calling all the parents and relatives of the conscripts they are releasing, to let them know that their relatives are released by the rebels, in case the government attempts to exact reprisals against these soldiers.

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRb8WOStrvE"]Ð’ ДÐР ополченцы отпуÑтили взÑÑ‚Ñ‹Ñ… в плен в воинÑкой чаÑти Ñолдат - YouTube[/nomedia]

Ukrainian government claims that they have captured a T-64BV from the rebels, and that the tank is not from the Ukrainian military, a Russian donation.

ЧаÑтный руÑÑкий журнал - Ðе вÑÑ Ð¿Ñ€Ð°Ð²Ð´Ð°

Rebels claim they have destroyed a government BMP-2 in an ambush. Confirmation is lacking.

Ð’ ЧервонопартизанÑке ополченцы подбили БМП-2 украинÑких Ñиловиков

The Ukrainian government is paying for the installation of cage armor on 30 BTR-80s.

Минобороны Украины заказало уÑтановку защитных Ñкранов на 30 бронетранÑпортерах БТР-80
Добро пожаловать в журнал РоÑтовÑкого Орла - дежавю

Battle damage at the Donetsk Airport.

Ð”ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ ÐœÐ¾ÐºÑ€ÑƒÑˆÐ¸Ð½ - ПоÑледÑÑ‚Ð²Ð¸Ñ Ð±Ð¾Ñ Ð·Ð° аÑропорт Донецка

The Ukrainian government claims that they have documental evidence that proves that Russian military weapons are making it into rebel hands. ey intend to present the OSCE with the materials.

Вахтенный журнал Ñтареющего пирата - Чем дальше в Ð»ÐµÑ - тем толще партизаны...

Tsarev has been selected as the speaker of parliament for the Union Of People's Republics/Novorossiya, who made some vague statements about the formation of a new government, and Russian peacekeepers.

 

Russian government sources state that 10 000 Ukrainians have officially received refugee status in Russia. This may seem at odds with earlier FMS reports about 400 000, until you consider the phrasing. 400 000 is likely the total migration from Ukraine into Russia, which doesn't require refugee status given the visa-free regime between the countries. Refugee status means these people require material assistance from the MChS.

 

4 OSCE observers that were captured on May 26th by the rebels have been released.

Íîâîñòè NEWSru.com :: Îñâîáîæäåíû ÷åòûðå ñîòðóäíèêà ìèññèè ÎÁÑÅ, ïîõèùåííûå 26 ìàÿ â Äîíåöêîé îáëàñòè
 

Feanor

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Update time.

Another MVD unit in Donetsk has surrendered to the separatists without a battle. This time it's unit No 3023. The conscripts (about 400 of them) were sent home to their parents. The contract soldiers and officers were offered chances to serve in the rebel militias.

Блог ÐлекÑандра Шакуна - СлаваукраинÑÐºÐ°Ñ Ð²Ñ‡ 3023 ÑлилаÑÑŒ без боÑ
Íîâîñòè NEWSru.com ::  Äîíåöêå ïîä êîíòðîëü ñåïàðàòèñòîâ ïåðåøëà åùå îäíà âîèíñêàÿ ÷àñòü

A rebel attack on a government checkpoint, killing 3, wounding 4.

Íîâîñòè NEWSru.com :: Ïîä Ñëàâÿíñêîì îáñòðåëÿëè áëîêïîñò óêðàèíñêèõ ñèëîâèêîâ, òðè ÷åëîâåêà ïîãèáëè

Artillery shells form the Ukrainian side landed in Russia again. They damaged a border control station, and landed in two different villages. Luckily nobody was killed. There was a refugee camp near the impacts, that was promptly evacuated.

It's noteworthy that they mention people with relatives in Lugansk region, doing what they can to get their relatives to Russia.

Блог ÐлекÑандра Шакуна - Будни погранпереходов РФ Ñ Ð±Ñ‹Ð²ÑˆÐµÐ¹ Ñлаваукраиной.

Another map, rebel held areas in red, government in blue. The size of the circle reflects the population of the town or village. If accurate, this shows how quickly the rebels are losing ground.

ЧаÑтный руÑÑкий журнал - Карта ÐовороÑÑии на 28.06.2014

A government pickup transport at the RybKhoz checkpoint. Note the improvised nature of the vehicle.

Ð”ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ ÐœÐ¾ÐºÑ€ÑƒÑˆÐ¸Ð½ - Пикап

Poroshenko mentions in an interview that Ukraine needs a hearts and minds campaign in the east, not a military victory. And strengthens checkpoints near Kharkov.

Вахтенный журнал Ñтареющего пирата - СтраÑти по Украине...

Ukraine signs the economic association agreement with the EU. The agreement forces Ukraine to transfer to the EU standards for trade and anti-monopoly legislation. This promises major losses in trade with Russia, and serious problems in competing with western business which will be on familiar ground.

 

Lavrov admits that the separatists sometimes listen to the voice from Moscow.

Íîâîñòè NEWSru.com :: Ëàâðîâ ïðèçíàë, ÷òî óêðàèíñêèå ñåïàðàòèñòû "ïðèñëóøèâàþòñÿ ê ãîëîñó Ìîñêâû"

4 more OSCE observers have been released by the rebels. This is in addition to the 4 released yesterday.

Íîâîñòè NEWSru.com :: Ñåïàðàòèñòû îòïóñòèëè åùå ÷åòâåðûõ íàáëþäàòåëåé ÎÁÑÅ

Right Sector seized an MVD station in Volyn' region, and threatened to burn it down.

 
 

Feanor

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Update.

In Donetsk an air defense unit, A-1402, was captured by the rebels. It's the command center for a regiment of Buk SAMs. The rebels may have captured a TEL or loader-launcher vehicle of the SAMs.

Ополченцы ДÐР захватили гарнизон ракетных войÑк ПВО в Донецке
Colonel Cassad -
https://twitter.com/dnrpress/status/483248037629018112

Note that the radars of this very unit were destroyed earlier by a rebel attack.

jerry24_it:

In Slavyansk they swore in the 1st Volunteer Btln of Novorossiya.

Вахтенный журнал Ñтареющего пирата - Юго-ВоÑток Украины. Команда: "Рррравнение на знамÑ!.."

In Lugansk region a government supply column was ambushed, killing 2 soldiers, wounding several.

Боевики напали на колонну военного обеÑÐ¿ÐµÑ‡ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ Ð² ЛуганÑкой облаÑти: 2 военных погибли. Информационное агентÑтво УкраинÑкие Ðациональны

In Kharkov a railroad line was sabotaged right before a train.

Ð’ ХарьковÑкой обл. неизвеÑтные подорвали железнодорожный моÑÑ‚ - Криминал - 112.ua

Rebels capture a chemical factory in Donetsk, there are concerns that it may be used to produce explosives or grenades.

Íîâîñòè NEWSru.com :: Ñåïàðàòèñòû çàõâàòèëè õèìçàâîä â Äîíåöêå, õîòÿò ïðîèçâîäèòü ãðàíàòû

Battle damage in Slavyansk.

jerry24_it:

Release of officers and soldiers from military unit 3004, captured by the rebels.

jerry24_it:

A Zala-421-08 UAV was shot down by government troops. This is a UAV produced by a Russian company.

Ð’ ЛуганÑкой облаÑти Ñбили беÑпилотный аппарат предположительно роÑÑийÑкого проиÑхождениÑ

Battle damage to the front post of the military unit in Artemovsk, the one responsible for storage of armored vehicles. A rebel T-64BV was seen driving around in the city.

jerry24_it:

~100 children have been evacuated from the conflict zone in Ukraine by Russian NGOs. They are destined for Astrakhan', where they will be housed.

Colonel Cassad -

Russia is sending 90 tons of humanitarian cargo to Ukraine, despite Ukrainian denials that any is necessary. How it will be brought into Ukraine is unclear.

 

Negotiations are continuing between DNR and LNR representatives and the Kiev government. This seems a little strange, given that the Kiev government seems to be winning. Maybe the situation is a little different from what we see here.

 

The head of the government militia btln Donbass has demanded, publicly, at the Euro-Maydan in Kiev, that the government give up all negotiations and give them permission to kill the rebels. Other nationalist militias were present. Many complained that they lacked official status or documentation, and therefore were not protected by law when fighting against the rebels.

 
 
 

Feanor

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Update.

Ukrainian sources on the ground claim that the total number of rebel fighters has increased drastically in Slavyansk, over the last couple of weeks (from ~1500 to 4-5 thousand). They claim that the rebels have significant quantities of armored vehicles, and even MLRS (which I find doubtful). They claim that a rebel counter-attack is possible and even likely, not in a local manner, but generally, to break the blockade of Slavyansk.

Ð”ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ ÐœÐ¾ÐºÑ€ÑƒÑˆÐ¸Ð½ - Оценка Ñил и возможноÑтей

Also Ukrainian sources claim they lack radios, and protected comm gear, NVGs. They say they have friendly fire incidents due to lack of comms. They have spoiled food delivered to them, and defective body armor. Their maps date back to 1985.

Ð”ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ ÐœÐ¾ÐºÑ€ÑƒÑˆÐ¸Ð½ - ОбеÑпечение украинÑких Ñиловиков

Meanwhile in Donetsk MVD military unit 3037 is being attacked by the rebels. According to government sources, the unit personnel has managed to escape and join the government troops.

ЧаÑтный руÑÑкий журнал - ЗачиÑтка
Íîâîñòè NEWSru.com :: Ñåïàðàòèñòû â Äîíåöêå çàõâàòèëè çåíèòíî-ðàêåòíûé ïîëê ÏÂÎ è øòóðìóþò ÷àñòü ÂÂ

And apparently military unit 3036 detonated their own munitions storage, to avoid capture by the rebels. Other sources say the unit may be 3306.

 
Вахтенный журнал Ñтареющего п¸Ñ€Ð°Ñ‚а - Юго-ВоÑток Украины: война без конца...

Russian Channel One News operator was killed in Donbass.

Íîâîñòè NEWSru.com :: Â Äîíåöêå ïîãèá îïåðàòîð Ïåðâîãî êàíàëà, ïîä îáñòðåë ïîïàëè ñîòðóäíèêè LifeNews
 

Feanor

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Update.

The ceasefire is officially over.

Îáðàùåíèå Ïðåçèäåíòà Óêðàèíû Ïåòðà Ïîðîøåíêî - Îôèöèàëüíîå ïðåäñòàâèòåëüñòâî Ïðåçèäåíòà Óêðàèíû

A Russian TV journalist from REN-TV was wounded on the Russian side of the border, by a stray artillery shell from the Ukrainian side. The death toll among journalists, especially Russian ones in this conflict, is a worrying trend, especially when coupled with the incessant stream of lies coming out of official media sources.

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Military unit No 3023 was captured by the rebels. Photos.

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A BTR-80 carrying Ukrainian border guards hit an anti-tank mine, wounding 6. 9 other mines were found in the area.

Ð”ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ ÐœÐ¾ÐºÑ€ÑƒÑˆÐ¸Ð½ - Подрыв на противотанковой мине

Civilian volunteers managed to repair an An-26 transport for the Ukrainian air force.

Ðа Украине добровольцы воÑÑтановили военно-транÑпортный Ñамолет Ðн-26

A rebel ambush damaged an MT-LB, and another one destroyed two D-30 howitzers and an Ural truck.

Бойцам Ð¾Ð¿Ð¾Ð»Ñ‡ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ ÑƒÐ´Ð°Ð»Ð¾ÑÑŒ подбить гаубицы вооруженных Ñил Украины
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The rebels have also used a JS-3 WWII tank in combat, after installing a heavy machinegun on the roof of the turret.

 

Some photos, the first is a government checkpoint, the 2nd and 3rd are of the evacuation of BTR hulls from the RybKhoz checkpoint destroyed by the rebels.

jerry24_it:

T-34-85 tank removed from a monument in Lugansk.

jerry24_it:

The Karachun TV tower has collapsed after intensive fighting.

jerry24_it:

There was some fighting around the police station in Donetsk, but the details are muddled. Some rebel sources claim that a rebel leader named Bes tried to seize power in Donetsk, but was beaten back and defeated. Some government sources claim that an MVD general and loyal police officers fought off a rebel attack in the police station. There is no clear picture of what happened.

Ukraine confirms rebels managed to damage an Su-25 dive-bomber.

Ополченцам удалоÑÑŒ подбить штурмовик Су-25 ВС Украины

National Guard units took control of village Zakotnoe. 3 of them were wounded in the fighting.

Ð¡Ð¿ÐµÑ†Ð¿Ð¾Ð´Ñ€Ð°Ð·Ð´ÐµÐ»ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ Ðацгвардии взÑли под контроль наÑеленный пункт Закотное

Ukrainian government troops have re-taken the Dolzhanskoe border crossing point. a total of 35 IEDs were disarmed there. This is the same area where the APC hit an AT mine.

УкраинÑкие Ñиловики вернули контроль над пунктом пропуÑка «ДолжанÑкий»

The Ukrainian military is preparing to use Tochka SRBMs against the rebels.

УкраинÑÐºÐ°Ñ Ð°Ñ€Ð¼Ð¸Ñ Ð³Ð¾Ñ‚Ð¾Ð²Ð¸Ñ‚ÑÑ Ð²Ð¿ÐµÑ€Ð²Ñ‹Ðµ применить ракеты комплекÑа "Точка"

Some sources indicate that Russia is intentionally leaving military equipment "unattended" near the border, for rebels to take.

http://uainfo.org/yandex/349010-kak-proishodit-peredacha-rossiyskoy-tehniki-boevikam-lnr-foto.html

Details on the Donetsk chemical factory. Apparently it manufactures tank and artillery shells, and ERA components. So the rebels essentially seized a defense industry plant.

Andrei-bt -

Meanwhile problems worsen in the Ukrainian economy as the bank sector reports increased losses, and the government says that the GDP may drop up to 5% this year.

 

Also money from Ukrainian working in Russia is coming in lower quantities, 10% less so far then for the same period last year.

 

In Kiev the Maydan self-defense force has blocked the exit to the Rada, and when one of the representatives attempted to leave, he was hit, and shoved back into the building. Shots were fired, into the air.

Под Верховной Радой били нардепов и ÑтрелÑли | Мой Киев
 

Feanor

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Update.

It looks like the rebels have a Strela-10 SAM. This is a rebel armor column in Lugansk, you can see 3 BMP-2s, and one Strela-10.

Ð”ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ ÐœÐ¾ÐºÑ€ÑƒÑˆÐ¸Ð½ - У Ð¾Ð¿Ð¾Ð»Ñ‡ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ Ð¿Ð¾ÑвилÑÑ Ð—Ð Ðš?

There are also claims that they have captured a D-30 howitzer.

pivopotam.livejournal.com/239340.html

An Su-24 and an Su-25 were hit by rebel fire. On the Su-24 one of the engines was destroyed.

twower.livejournal.com/1352776.html
ОбÑтрелÑнный Су-25 ВС Украины Ñовершил аварийную поÑадку в аÑропорту вне поÑадочной полоÑÑ‹

Ukrainian sources confirm that one T-64 tank was damaged, one truck and 4 D-30 howitzers were destroyed. 1 dead, and 13 wounded.

ТеррориÑÑ‚Ñ‹ в течение Ñуток подбили танк и уничтожили четыре пушки Ñил ÐТО. Информационное агентÑтво УкраинÑкие Ðациональные ÐовоÑти (УÐ

In other fighting and shelling a total of 7 Ukrainian soldiers were wounded, 1 killed.

Ð’ результате минометного обÑтрела террориÑтами украинÑких пограничников в ÐовоазовÑке 1 боец ​​погиб, 8 ранены. Информационное агентÑÑ

The head of Russian republic of Ingushetiya says that Indushes are fighting from both sides of this conflict.

Íîâîñòè NEWSru.com :: Èíãóøè âîþþò íà Óêðàèíå ñ îáåèõ ñòîðîí, ðàññêàçàë ãëàâà ðåñïóáëèêè

An interesting video of Slavyansk. When the rebel is asked about the ceasefire, he says that there was no ceasefire. Ukrainian artillery continued firing into the city the whole time. Ukrainian troops destroyed a truck bringing water into the city.

Conversations with the residents reveal that the city has no water, and the local market was shelled by government artillery.

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJFxQUTe9po#t=86"]СлавÑнÑк 1 Ð¸ÑŽÐ»Ñ / Уникальный кадры из СлавÑнÑка - город разрушен - ÐТО прод°ÐµÑ‚ÑÑ / 01.07.2014 - YouTube[/nomedia]

Apparently the Kiev BTRZ is on the verge of bankrupcy. This is the factory that's producing BTR-3E APCs for the Ukrainian National Guard.

ПредприÑтие выпуÑкающее Ð´Ð»Ñ Ðацгвардии БТРы, доведено до банкротÑтва

Ukraine is selling a MiG-29UB to Sudan. Earlier they were selling MiG-29s to Chad. It seems to me that selling off their few remaining aircraft is not smart at this time. Especially since spares for repairs are cannibalized, meaning that their ability to restore additional aircraft is very limited.

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Feanor

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Update.

The Su-25 damaged by rebel fire crashed trying to land, making it the first fixed wing combat aircraft lost in the conflict. Sources estimate 12-13 remaining flyable Su-25s.

militarizm: 2
militarizm:

According to this Ukraine has 5 flyable Su-24MR and 5 Su-24M, once you subtract the one lost in an accident, and the one damaged by rebel fire.

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Stanitsa Luganskaya was hit by massive government airstrikes and artillery, despite there being no rebels there. The destruction was wide-spread. 12 locals are dead, dozens wounded. It's quite likely the strikes were a mistake.

Ð”ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ ÐœÐ¾ÐºÑ€ÑƒÑˆÐ¸Ð½ - Чуток запуталиÑÑŒ
 

The recently recaptured Dolzhanskiy border checkpoint came under mortar fire, wounding 9 border guards.

При минометном обÑтреле КПП поÑтрадали девÑÑ‚ÑŒ украинÑких пограничников

Ukrainian troops may be using Smerch or Uragan MLRS in the conflict zone. If they are, they're firing incomplete loads.

УкраинÑкие вооруженные Ñилы применили каÑÑетные боеприпаÑÑ‹ залповой ÑиÑтемы "Смерч"

All of Slavyansk and parts of Kramatorsk have lost electricity because of battle damage to the substation. Also the breadfactory is shut down (industrial-sized bakery) because of the loss of power.

КрыÑа из нержавеющей Ñтали - Из-за боевых дейÑтвий СлавÑнÑк оÑталÑÑ Ð±ÐµÐ· Ñвета
КрыÑа из нержавеющей Ñтали - Ð’ СлавÑнÑке оÑтановилÑÑ Ñ…Ð»ÐµÐ±Ð¾Ð·Ð°Ð²Ð¾Ð´

Battle damage in Slavyansk.

КрыÑа из нержавеющей Ñтали - СлавÑнÑк, повÑедневноÑÑ‚ÑŒ войны
КрыÑа из нержавеющей Ñтали - СлавÑнÑк, Рыбхоз, поÑле обÑтрела

Btln Donbass picketing the Rada in Kiev.

КрыÑа из нержавеющей Ñтали - "Батальон" ДонбаÑÑ Ð¾Ð¶Ð¸Ð´Ð°ÐµÑ‚ Порошенко, под Верховной Радой

Government artillery, from the 95th Airmobile brigade.

КрыÑа из нержавеющей Ñтали - ÐТО, артиллериÑÑ‚Ñ‹ 95-й ОММБр

Government troop column, note the improvised up-armoring.

Ð”ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ ÐœÐ¾ÐºÑ€ÑƒÑˆÐ¸Ð½ - Доп.защита

An armor repair plant in Nikolaev has been assigned 150 armored vehicles, damaged in the war, to repair. Note the extremely large number. It clearly highlights that the government understates casualties quite severely.

Ð”ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ ÐœÐ¾ÐºÑ€ÑƒÑˆÐ¸Ð½ - Ремонт поврежденной в ходе ÐТО бронетехники

Ukraine accused Russia of deliberate and notorious violation of their airspace, with two Mi-8 and one Mi-24 helo. The allegedly crossed as dees 3 kms into Ukraine, doing aerial recon.

Íîâîñòè NEWSru.com :: Óêðàèíà îáâèíèëà Ðîññèþ â äåìîíñòðàòèâíîì íàðóøåíèè ñâîåãî âîçäóøíîãî ïðîñòðàíñòâà

New Ukrainian MinDef, Geletey, promises a victory parade in Sevastopol'.

Ðовый миниÑÑ‚Ñ€ обороны Украины пообещал парад победы в СеваÑтополе

Russian FMS promises a new category for Ukrainian refugees, allowing them to get material help and legal status in Russia faster.

Íîâîñòè NEWSru.com :: ÔÌÑ ìîæåò âûäåëèòü áåæåíöåâ ñ Óêðàèíû â íîâóþ êàòåãîðèþ: äëÿ óñêîðåíèÿ ïðîöåññà ïîìîùè

Germany, Russia, Ukraine, and France have agreed some sort of peace proposal.

Íîâîñòè NEWSru.com :: Ãåðìàíèÿ, Ðîññèÿ, Óêðàèíà è Ôðàíöèÿ ñîãëàñîâàëè ïëàí ïåðåìèðèÿ â Äîíáàññå
 

dprijadi

New Member
Feanor

Thanks for the updates , though i found the situation getting more and more depressing since the renewed attacks that countinuously hit civilian targets..

i wonder how come the world media stay silent when it is clear that civilians are the victim here..

There's a good clear article by Dr Stephen Cohen in The Nation about this phenomena.

http://www.thenation.com/article/180466/silence-american-hawks-about-kievs-atrocities

For weeks, the US-backed regime in Kiev has been committing atrocities against its own citizens in southeastern Ukraine, regions heavily populated by Russian-speaking Ukrainians and ethnic Russians. While victimizing a growing number of innocent people, including children, and degrading America’s reputation, these military assaults on cities, captured on video, are generating pressure in Russia on President Vladimir Putin to “save our compatriots.”

The reaction of the Obama administration—as well as the new cold-war hawks in Congress and in the establishment media—has been twofold: silence interrupted only by occasional statements excusing and thus encouraging more atrocities by Kiev.

Very few Americans (notably, the independent scholar Gordon Hahn) have protested this shameful complicity. We may honorably disagree about the causes and resolution of the Ukrainian crisis, the worst US-Russian confrontation in decades, but not about deeds that are rising to the level of war crimes, if they have not already done so.
 

Feanor

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Update.

Rebels are attacking the Donetsk airport, again.

Ополченцы начали штурм аÑропорта в Донецке

Government artillery positions near Slavyansk.

stainlesstlrat.livejournal.com/833356.html

Ukrainian btln Aydar in Lugansk region.

Ð”ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ ÐœÐ¾ÐºÑ€ÑƒÑˆÐ¸Ð½ - БдÑÑ‚

According to colonelcassad, Strelkov published a statement say that they are surrounded, and massive use of government artillery and armor is making defense of Slavyansk nearly impossible. He states that they will probably fall before June 12th.

http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1646841.html
colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1646434.html

Battle damage in Nikolaevka. Unconfirmed reports of heavy fighting there, with rebel forces in Nikolaevka being surrounded.

http://cs7002.vk.me/c540104/v540104095/17642/XOkOzdd3UP8.jpg
http://cs7002.vk.me/c540104/v540104095/1763b/82rriB31ezE.jpg
http://cs7002.vk.me/c540104/v540104095/17649/D8YTXLQA_dI.jpg
http://cs7002.vk.me/c540104/v540104095/17650/olsl8gD1yOs.jpg
http://cs7002.vk.me/c540104/v540104095/17657/kZgK6We2kdc.jpg
http://cs7002.vk.me/c540104/v540104095/1765e/l97PN2pi8nk.jpg

Artillery fire damage in the village of Veseliy, near Kramatorsk.

jerry24-it.livejournal.com/194394.html

Photos of government troops.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=221205&d=1404458450
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=221206&d=1404458470
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=221207&d=1404458488

President Poroshenko restated his conditions for a second cease-fire: joint border control with OSCE observers present, and release of all hostages (POW).

Íîâîñòè NEWSru.com :: Ïîðîøåíêî ïîâòîðèë óñëîâèÿ äëÿ íîâîãî ïåðåìèðèÿ, ïîêà àðìèÿ ïðîäîëæàåò íàñòóïàòü

The government plans permanent checkpoint on the border with Donbass and Lugansk.

ivanoctober:
 

Feanor

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Feanor

Thanks for the updates , though i found the situation getting more and more depressing since the renewed attacks that countinuously hit civilian targets..

i wonder how come the world media stay silent when it is clear that civilians are the victim here..
After I saw BBC in the 888 war posting footage of Georgia artillery firing into Tshinvali, claiming that it's footage of Russian artillery firing into Gori (something that basically didn't happen) I'm no longer surprised at the manufactured reality that the media displays. The spectacular amount of lying surrounding this particular conflict is staggering in all official media sources. The Ukrainian media is the worst, their lies being so blatant and obvious, they can only be meant for an internal audience isolated from contrary view points. Russian and western media is better, but still quite bad. You'll notice most of my information comes from blogs and private individuals.
 

Feanor

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Update.

Rebels have broken out of the blockade around Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, giving up defense of those cities. The Ukrainian flag has been raised above Slavyansk. While Ukraine is trying to pass this off as a victory, this may be something else entirely, given that they had Slavyansk in a "blockade", and none the less the rebels broke out easily.

The column of rebel vehicles went to Donetsk, where they will probably form a new center of defense. What's really remarkable is that the rebels moved in a military style-convoy with large numbers of armored vehicles and tanks.

Íîâîñòè NEWSru.com :: Âñëåä çà Ñëàâÿíñêîì ñåïàðàòèñòû âîñòîêà Óêðàèíû îñòàâèëè Êðàìàòîðñê
Ðад СлавÑнÑком поднÑÑ‚ ГоÑударÑтвенный флаг Украины
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Ð’ Донецк вошла колонна военной техники ополчениÑ
Вывод отрÑдов Ð¾Ð¿Ð¾Ð»Ñ‡ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ Ð¸Ð· СлавÑнÑка Ñто перегруппировка Ñил перед ударом по Донецку
Ð”ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ ÐœÐ¾ÐºÑ€ÑƒÑˆÐ¸Ð½ - Ополченцы ушли из СлавÑнÑка
Берлога Бронемедведа - Украина: ополчение через КраматорÑк уходит в Донецк

Ukrainian troops lost 7 dead and 6 wounded, in the battle for Novoselovka-1, a small village.

Ð’ результате Ð±Ð¾Ñ Ð² Донецкой облаÑти украинÑÐºÐ°Ñ Ð°Ñ€Ð¼Ð¸Ñ Ð¿Ð¾Ñ‚ÐµÑ€Ñла 7 военных, - преÑÑ-центр ÐТО

4 Mortar shells hit the Russian side of the border, two damaging a border control post.

Вахтенный журнал Ñтареющего пирата - Тем временем под Донецком...
Íîâîñòè NEWSru.com :: Íà òåððèòîðèþ ðîññèéñêîãî ïóíêòà ïðîïóñêà "Äîíåöê" ïîïàëè ìèíîìåòíûå ñíàðÿäû ñ Óêðàèíû

A Ukrainian border guards monitoring post on the Azov sea was attacked by the rebels.

Ðа побережье ÐзовÑкого Ð¼Ð¾Ñ€Ñ Ð¾Ð±ÑтрелÑли поÑÑ‚ техничеÑкого Ð½Ð°Ð±Ð»ÑŽÐ´ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ Ð£ÐºÑ€Ð°Ð¸Ð½Ñ‹

Ukrainians thought that an S-300 component in Lugansk was a Topol-M ICBM given to the rebels. Shows the level of insanity in the press.

УкраинÑкие СМИ принÑли радиолокационную вышку за ракету «Тополь-М», предназначенную Ð´Ð»Ñ Ð¾Ð¿Ð¾Ð»Ñ‡ÐµÐ½Ñ†ÐµÐ²

A new BRDM-2 upgrade, featuring two 7.62 PK machineguns, and a 30mm grenade launcher, as well as other upgrades.

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Also trials of the Dozor-B armored car are continuing.

Ð’ ХарьковÑкой облаÑти ÑоÑтоÑлÑÑ Ð¾Ñ‡ÐµÑ€ÐµÐ´Ð½Ð¾Ð¹ Ñтап иÑпытаний бронетранÑпортера «Дозор-Б»
 

Feanor

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Update.

Rebels have broken out of the blockade around Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, giving up defense of those cities. The Ukrainian flag has been raised above Slavyansk. While Ukraine is trying to pass this off as a victory, this may be something else entirely, given that they had Slavyansk in a "blockade", and none the less the rebels broke out easily. Russian and rebel sources claim that the rebels destroyed 1 or 3 government checkpoints. In my opinion, it's likely they had to break through at least one checkpoint.

The column of rebel vehicles went to Donetsk, where they will probably form a new center of defense. What's really remarkable is that the rebels moved in a military style-convoy with large numbers of armored vehicles and tanks.

Íîâîñòè NEWSru.com :: Âñëåä çà Ñëàâÿíñêîì ñåïàðàòèñòû âîñòîêà Óêðàèíû îñòàâèëè Êðàìàòîðñê
Ðад СлавÑнÑком поднÑÑ‚ ГоÑударÑтвенный флаг Украины
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Ð’ Донецк вошла колонна военной техники ополчениÑ
Вывод отрÑдов Ð¾Ð¿Ð¾Ð»Ñ‡ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ Ð¸Ð· СлавÑнÑка Ñто перегруппировка Ñил перед ударом по Донецку
Ð”ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ ÐœÐ¾ÐºÑ€ÑƒÑˆÐ¸Ð½ - Ополченцы ушли из СлавÑнÑка
Берлога Бронемедведа - Украина: ополчение через КраматорÑк уходит в Донецк
http://stainlesstlrat.livejournal.com/836941.html
http://military-informant.com/index...leniyu-na-pozitsii-ukrainskikh-silovikov.html

Ukrainian troops lost 7 dead and 6 wounded, in the battle for Novoselovka-1, a small village.

Ð’ результате Ð±Ð¾Ñ Ð² Донецкой облаÑти украинÑÐºÐ°Ñ Ð°Ñ€Ð¼Ð¸Ñ Ð¿Ð¾Ñ‚ÐµÑ€Ñла 7 военных, - преÑÑ-центр ÐТО

4 Mortar shells hit the Russian side of the border, two damaging a border control post.

Вахтенный журнал Ñтареющего пирата - Тем временем под Донецком...
Íîâîñòè NEWSru.com :: Íà òåððèòîðèþ ðîññèéñêîãî ïóíêòà ïðîïóñêà "Äîíåöê" ïîïàëè ìèíîìåòíûå ñíàðÿäû ñ Óêðàèíû

Fighting is continuing around the Lugansk airport, and near Lugansk.

http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1649196.html

A Ukrainian border guards monitoring post on the Azov sea was attacked by the rebels.

Ðа побережье ÐзовÑкого Ð¼Ð¾Ñ€Ñ Ð¾Ð±ÑтрелÑли поÑÑ‚ техничеÑкого Ð½Ð°Ð±Ð»ÑŽÐ´ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ Ð£ÐºÑ€Ð°Ð¸Ð½Ñ‹

Ukrainian media sources thought that an S-300 component in Lugansk was a Topol-M ICBM given to the rebels. Shows the level of insanity in the press.

УкраинÑкие СМИ принÑли радиолокационную вышку за раке402; «Тополь-М», предназначенную Ð´Ð»Ñ Ð¾Ð¿Ð¾Ð»Ñ‡ÐµÐ½Ñ†ÐµÐ²

A bridge in Lugansk region was destroyed in an explosion.

http://stainlesstlrat.livejournal.com/835675.html

A new BRDM-2 upgrade, featuring two 7.62 PK machineguns, and a 30mm grenade launcher, as well as other upgrades.

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Also trials of the Dozor-B armored car are continuing.

Ð’ ХарьковÑкой облаÑти ÑоÑтоÑлÑÑ Ð¾Ñ‡ÐµÑ€ÐµÐ´Ð½Ð¾Ð¹ Ñтап иÑпытаний бронетранÑпортера «Дозор-Б»
 

Musashi_kenshin

Well-Known Member
Rebels have broken out of the blockade around Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, giving up defense of those cities. The Ukrainian flag has been raised above Slavyansk. While Ukraine is trying to pass this off as a victory, this may be something else entirely, given that they had Slavyansk in a "blockade", and none the less the rebels broke out easily.
Other news reports say a lot of the rebels died on the way out. And this is certainly a victory for the Ukrainian forces. The rebels were forced out, they didn't choose to leave. If there had been any option to stay, they would have stayed.
 

Feanor

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Other news reports say a lot of the rebels died on the way out. And this is certainly a victory for the Ukrainian forces. The rebels were forced out, they didn't choose to leave. If there had been any option to stay, they would have stayed.
Other then mainstream news sources, what eyewitness accounts or documentary evidence is there of this? If you're right, I'm interested to see it. All I've heard is that they tore through the checkpoints relatively easily, and got out two columns of ~20 armored vehicles, and 50 civilians trucks/cars.

As for the evaluation... the rebels were surrounded and pinned down, in theory. Instead of completing their destruction and re-taking the city, the army have let the rebels break out of the blockade, and reinforced themselves in Donetsk. Generally when you have the enemy surrounded, and the enemy breaks out of the encirclement, that's not a good thing.

EDIT: More info as it comes in. A rebel armored group conducted a diversionary attack while the main forces left. They lost 1 T-64 tank, 2 BMP-2s, and 3 BMD based vehicles.

http://panzerbar.livejournal.com/2014490.html

Pro-rebel sources also claim that a small rear-guard was left in Slavyansk. The captured weapons displayed (very small quantities) would be consistent with this claim.
 
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Feanor

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Update.

Ukrainian troops enter Slavyansk. Note the troops look nothing like line Ukrainian infantry. They're probably some sort of SpetzNaz element. They fly a VDV flag, so maybe they're the recon unit from an airmobile brigade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83Puls9NJz4#t=34

Warning graphic images, including corpses. This is photos of destroyed rebel vehicles. Some appear to be the same as those shown in the diversionary attack, but some are from the main column that escaped the city. The small number of corpses is not indicative. Corpses were cleaned up prior to these photos.

zloy_odessit:

Contrary to this, however, here are some photos of the rebels leaving the city in a slow and organized manner, in small groups, riding in civilian vehicles, as well as military ones in daylight.

ЧаÑтный руÑÑкий журнал - ЭвакуациÑ

Ukrainian troops in Slavyansk.

Берлога Бронемедведа - Украина: ВСУ в СлавÑнÑке

Photos of the Border Guards naval observation post attacked from the sea by the rebels.

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Ð”ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ ÐœÐ¾ÐºÑ€ÑƒÑˆÐ¸Ð½ - ДеÑант Ñ Ð¼Ð¾Ñ€Ñ

The Strela-10 seen in Lugansk now appears to be in Donetsk.

Ополченцы ÑÑ‚Ñнули передовые Ñилы в Донецк

Lugansk is under artillery and mortar fire.

Блог ÐлекÑандра Шакуна - 6.07 ЛуганÑк

Updated map of the fighting.

sokol-ff.livejournal.com/819943.html

Russian NGO delivers medical supplies to the rebels. To be perfectly clear, this is NOT humanitarian aid. This is aid to the rebels.

Вахтенный журнал Ñтареющего пирата - Помощь роÑÑийÑких...

A government Su-25 made a forced landing at a rebel-held airfield in Lugansk. The pilot was captured, the aircraft is now in rebel hands.

Ð”ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ ÐœÐ¾ÐºÑ€ÑƒÑˆÐ¸Ð½ - У Ð¾Ð¿Ð¾Ð»Ñ‡ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ Ð¿Ð¾ÑвилÑÑ Ð¡Ñƒ-25

A train was shot at in the south of Ukraine.

Ð”ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ ÐœÐ¾ÐºÑ€ÑƒÑˆÐ¸Ð½ - ОбÑтрел поезда

Another train collapsed when the bridge underneath it exploded, in Donbass.

Ð”ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ ÐœÐ¾ÐºÑ€ÑƒÑˆÐ¸Ð½ - Взорван моÑÑ‚ Ñ Ð³Ñ€ÑƒÐ·Ð¾Ð²Ñ‹Ð¼ поездом

Russian FMS reports that a total of 481 thousand people have entered Russia from Ukraine since the beginning of this conflict. 414 thousand are located in the border area. A total of 359 temporary housing centers were set up, most in the border zone. 16 thousand total refugees are in the temporary housing. 20 461 have applied for refugee status. The FMS believes that 90% of them do not intend to stay in Russia, they are there temporarily to avoid the fighting.

Note that to accept refugee status in Russia they have to surrender their national passport. They can get it back only upon forfeiting refugee status. Over July 5th alone they state that 25 000 people entered Russia from Ukraine. There is also a major growth of Ukrainians applying for Russian passports.

Íîâîñòè NEWSru.com :: ÔÌÑ ðàçúÿñíèëà, ñêîëüêî â Ðîññèè óêðàèíñêèõ áåæåíöåâ, îòìåòèâ ìíîãîêðàòíûé ðîñò æåëàþùèõ ïîëó÷èòü ðàáîòó è ãðàæäàíñòâî
 

2007yellow430

Active Member
Thanks for the info Feanor:

I have a question though: You've indicated you are getting your info from blogs, etc. My question is are some of these blogs from the Ukrainian side? If not, the potential fore substantial bias arises. Just wondering how accurate they are or are not.
 
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