The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

KipPotapych

Well-Known Member
^ I’d say it is a combination of mostly the first two in addition to the latter. But a medium to long-term war with Ukraine, where thousands of pieces of equipment get destroyed in the first two years was probably never on anyone’s bingo cards either.
 

vikingatespam

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Zelenski spent quite some time telling NATO to fight this war for him. My analysis is that he is delusional. I posted some article about him, his destiny and hubris.
Western media is selling a fairy tale version of this war, that is my analysis. I posted some article about that too, like when a metro station is hit and we forget to mention that in front of that station there is a missile factory.
About being sarcastic... Being sarcastic about a fairy tale? Yes, I tend to agree. It could be that my style (tone?) is more sarcastic than academic; I am not a professor, after all.
For a guy who claims to be independently minded, you seem to be doing a good job of "carrying the water" for the RU MOD.

"Fighting to the last Ukrainian"
"Zelensky telling NATO to fight for him"
"Zelensky is delusional"
"Western media is selling a fairy tale version of this war"

etc etc.

Why dont we examine these points in turn ?

"Fighting to the last Ukrainian" : a common trope pushed by conspiracy nuts, and Kremlin propagandists. Someone the "west" is forcing Ukraine to continue to fight, against their collective will. Reality: If Ukraine didnt want to fight, they wouldnt be fighting. The recent increase (by poll) for a negotiated end to the war is not surprising, but certainly does not indicate a desire to surrender.

"Zelensky telling NATO to fight for him": Zelensky is doing his job as a politician. He is vigorously asking for help and support. This should surprise no one. A serious western intervention would likely force Putin into a cease-fire.

"Zelensky is delusional": For what, not surrendering ? For asking for help ? For planning for future military purchases ? The future purchase of Grippen will not have an immediate impact on the battlefield, but shows a long term NATO commitment to UK. Its a political statement, not a military one.

"Western media is selling a fairy tale version of this war": "western" media may be accentuating the positive (from UK standpoint), but certainly is not as delusional as the RU point of view. If you want to protest biased media, do it in RU.
 

swerve

Super Moderator
I read that in (paywall) The Times...
"Tusk stated that Ukraine has the right to attack Russian-linked targets anywhere in Europe"
So, Tusk is saying that Russia has the right (legal right?) to carry out terrorist attacks in Europe, right?

Well, he also mentioned that the European Convention on Human Rights is a bit "inconvenient" for some other issue...
We don't know exactly what he said. It's not a direct quote,

And what was he referring to, & in what context, re. the ECHR? And what exactly did he say? The ECHR is inconvenient for Viktor Orban, for example - but that doesn't mean that Tusk approves.
 

swerve

Super Moderator
Zelenski spent quite some time telling NATO to fight this war for him. My analysis is that he is delusional. I posted some article about him, his destiny and hubris.
Western media is selling a fairy tale version of this war, that is my analysis. I posted some article about that too, like when a metro station is hit and we forget to mention that in front of that station there is a missile factory.
About being sarcastic... Being sarcastic about a fairy tale? Yes, I tend to agree. It could be that my style (tone?) is more sarcastic than academic; I am not a professor, after all.
Putin started this war expecting a quick, easy & cheap victory - & you call Zelensky delusional! Ditto "destiny and hubris", where Putin is pushing the idea of sacred Mother Russia engaging in a divinely blessed (the Russian Orthodox church backs it) crusade against the corrupt & rotten west. And Russian media call Ukrainian attacks on anything & everything "terrorism", including on Russian forces on Ukrainian soil.

Where's your outrage against them?
 
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