The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

Redshift

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It was and it has been about rearming NATO (and damaging Russia), Ukraine is just an useful pawn in this realpolitik.
Europe and the UK were happily cutting defence on a regular and ongoing basis, if Putin had wanted to keep our defence spending low all he had to do was NOT invade Ukraine.
 

Feanor

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Europe and the UK were happily cutting defence on a regular and ongoing basis, if Putin had wanted to keep our defence spending low all he had to do was NOT invade Ukraine.
Good point. Putin made a mistake and those who wanted to re-arm NATO and damage Russia have succeeded. Assuming his interpretation is correct.
 

rsemmes

Active Member
My interpretation is that NATO didn't want to make Ukraine Great Again, NATO doesn't care about Ukraine. It is against Russia, not for Ukraine.
We may be providing aid to Nigeria, do we care about Nigeria (Biafra)? I think that we do care about our interests and whatever relation Nigeria may have related to them.

And this situation is... Great news!
(Russia is not a partner, whatever goes wrong for Russia is good for us.)


Where is that "if Putin had wanted to keep..." coming from? Certainly, not from me.
 

Redshift

Active Member
Good point. Putin made a mistake and those who wanted to re-arm NATO and damage Russia have succeeded. Assuming his interpretation is correct.
His "Rsemmes" interpretation has zero basis in evidence and I can't even begin to see how it could be correct given the speed with which we were reducing our defence/war assets.

The only reason to cause harm to Russia was the perceived threat that has presented itself since the invasion of Ukraine, and according to Putin the perception of a threat is enough to take action and destroy your neighbour, in this case Ukraine.

Chicken and egg argument perhaps? Or maybe do unto others etc.
 

Redshift

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My interpretation is that NATO didn't want to make Ukraine Great Again, NATO doesn't care about Ukraine. It is against Russia, not for Ukraine.
We may be providing aid to Nigeria, do we care about Nigeria (Biafra)? I think that we do care about our interests and whatever relation Nigeria may have related to them.

And this situation is... Great news!
(Russia is not a partner, whatever goes wrong for Russia is good for us.)


Where is that "if Putin had wanted to keep..." coming from? Certainly, not from me.
Your interpretation without evidence.

If what you posted above is a quote you should really reference the original source.

In the meantime here is a debate that you might like to read on the subject of Biafra.

Nigeria: Biafran War And Relief Needs - Hansard - UK Parliament https://share.google/ixuhTcLhDvQWnirZU
 

rsemmes

Active Member
Your interpretation without evidence.
If what you posted above is a quote you should really reference the original source.
In the meantime here is a debate that you might like to read on the subject of Biafra.
Nigeria: Biafran War And Relief Needs - Hansard - UK Parliament https://share.google/ixuhTcLhDvQWnirZU
I wonder what that "evidence" could be... ("Keeping Ukraine in the fight", maybe?)


Off topic:
Did you find anything about British weapons for Nigeria? Anything about how British interest were best served in Nigeria?
 
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