The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread
KipPotapych
Well-Known Member
A good article from the Hill on the Nord Stream blow-up:
Funny how at about the same time the article is posted, others push some completely illogical and nonsensical theories about the incident:
Again, I find it hard to distinguish between simple propaganda and complete delusion of the authors. I think there is an important difference. It appears that a widespread delusion is the most likely condition here.
An interesting detail in this post by a UA soldier (drone operator, I believe, whose few interviews and articles in FT and WP I cited previously):
Lindsay Graham reacts to the latest article by Zaluzhny I cited yesterday, equating nuclear weapons placement in Ukraine and Ukraine’s accession into NATO as not exactly possible.
Note that he was (pretended to be?) a staunch supporter of the Ukrainian NATO membership until very recently and proposed to put it into law in the US (along with some Dem, whom I do not remember).
Stumbled upon this today in comments to some post that I do not recall:
What I find amazing is that people still see these individuals (like Grozev) as some authority with external knowledge. More often than not, they don’t have that knowledge and simply spread propaganda of the day. But it is a funny post from nearly 3.75 years ago. Aged well though.
On the subject of rail sabotage in Poland. They keep charging Ukrainians working on behalf of Russians. Three was the count last I heard:
Kazakhstan does not like Ukraine hitting Novorossiysk oil terminal in Russia. This is for a reason, as roughly 80% of its oil exports exit through the terminal.
Kazakhstan "expresses its protest over yet another deliberate attack on the critical infrastructure of the international Caspian Pipeline Consortium in the waters of the Port of Novorossiysk," the ministry said.
"We view what has occurred as an action harming the bilateral relations of the Republic of Kazakhstan and Ukraine, and we expect the Ukrainian side to take effective measures to prevent similar incidents in the future."
Ukraine said its actions were not directed against Kazakhstan or third parties and were only aimed at repelling what it called "full-scale Russian aggression".
"Ukraine hits back at the aggressor," Ukraine's foreign ministry said.
An excerpt from a Russian propaganda article from Reuters:
Pavlo Broshkov had high hopes when he joined the Ukrainian army in March as a fresh-faced recruit eager to defend his country and earn a bumper bonus to buy a home for his wife and baby daughter.
Three months later, the 20-year-old lay broken and prone on the battlefield, his dreams in tatters.
"I understood this was the moment I would be torn to pieces," he told Reuters. "I was not afraid of death. I was afraid of not seeing my wife and child again."
Broshkov is among hundreds of 18 to 24-year-olds who have volunteered to fight on the front lines this year, lured by generous pay and perks in a national youth recruitment drive designed to breathe fresh life into Ukraine's aged and exhausted armed forces of about one million.[…]
Reuters tracked the fortunes of Broshkov and 10 of his comrades who were among a few dozen raw recruits that received a crash-course in warfare at a military training camp in spring before being deployed to the front.
None of the 11 are still fighting. Four have been wounded, three are missing in action, two are absent without leave (AWOL), one fell sick and another recruit has killed himself, according to interviews with soldiers, their relatives and government records.
The fates of the soldiers provide a snapshot of the carnage wrought on Ukraine by the grinding war against Russia, in which both sides closely guard casualty figures.
Reuters was unable to contact the other recruits who attended the spring training camp and couldn't determine whether the 11 cases reflect broader levels of attrition in the conflict, which has dragged on for almost four years.
The Ukrainian military and the 28th Brigade where the recruits served didn't reply to requests for comment for this article.
“Hundreds” that signed up since spring. “Received a crush-course in warfare” before being sent to the front. “None” are still fighting due to being killed, wounded, suicide, falling sick, or simply leaving. Sounds like someone is being “thrown to the meat grinder without training” for personal gain, etc. I wonder if people would perceive things differently if the same terms were applied to both sides of the equation (they are the same in reality, there is no magic).
Funny how at about the same time the article is posted, others push some completely illogical and nonsensical theories about the incident:
Again, I find it hard to distinguish between simple propaganda and complete delusion of the authors. I think there is an important difference. It appears that a widespread delusion is the most likely condition here.
An interesting detail in this post by a UA soldier (drone operator, I believe, whose few interviews and articles in FT and WP I cited previously):
Lindsay Graham reacts to the latest article by Zaluzhny I cited yesterday, equating nuclear weapons placement in Ukraine and Ukraine’s accession into NATO as not exactly possible.
Note that he was (pretended to be?) a staunch supporter of the Ukrainian NATO membership until very recently and proposed to put it into law in the US (along with some Dem, whom I do not remember).
Stumbled upon this today in comments to some post that I do not recall:
What I find amazing is that people still see these individuals (like Grozev) as some authority with external knowledge. More often than not, they don’t have that knowledge and simply spread propaganda of the day. But it is a funny post from nearly 3.75 years ago. Aged well though.
On the subject of rail sabotage in Poland. They keep charging Ukrainians working on behalf of Russians. Three was the count last I heard:
Kazakhstan does not like Ukraine hitting Novorossiysk oil terminal in Russia. This is for a reason, as roughly 80% of its oil exports exit through the terminal.
Kazakhstan "expresses its protest over yet another deliberate attack on the critical infrastructure of the international Caspian Pipeline Consortium in the waters of the Port of Novorossiysk," the ministry said.
"We view what has occurred as an action harming the bilateral relations of the Republic of Kazakhstan and Ukraine, and we expect the Ukrainian side to take effective measures to prevent similar incidents in the future."
Ukraine said its actions were not directed against Kazakhstan or third parties and were only aimed at repelling what it called "full-scale Russian aggression".
"Ukraine hits back at the aggressor," Ukraine's foreign ministry said.
An excerpt from a Russian propaganda article from Reuters:
Pavlo Broshkov had high hopes when he joined the Ukrainian army in March as a fresh-faced recruit eager to defend his country and earn a bumper bonus to buy a home for his wife and baby daughter.
Three months later, the 20-year-old lay broken and prone on the battlefield, his dreams in tatters.
"I understood this was the moment I would be torn to pieces," he told Reuters. "I was not afraid of death. I was afraid of not seeing my wife and child again."
Broshkov is among hundreds of 18 to 24-year-olds who have volunteered to fight on the front lines this year, lured by generous pay and perks in a national youth recruitment drive designed to breathe fresh life into Ukraine's aged and exhausted armed forces of about one million.[…]
Reuters tracked the fortunes of Broshkov and 10 of his comrades who were among a few dozen raw recruits that received a crash-course in warfare at a military training camp in spring before being deployed to the front.
None of the 11 are still fighting. Four have been wounded, three are missing in action, two are absent without leave (AWOL), one fell sick and another recruit has killed himself, according to interviews with soldiers, their relatives and government records.
The fates of the soldiers provide a snapshot of the carnage wrought on Ukraine by the grinding war against Russia, in which both sides closely guard casualty figures.
Reuters was unable to contact the other recruits who attended the spring training camp and couldn't determine whether the 11 cases reflect broader levels of attrition in the conflict, which has dragged on for almost four years.
The Ukrainian military and the 28th Brigade where the recruits served didn't reply to requests for comment for this article.
“Hundreds” that signed up since spring. “Received a crush-course in warfare” before being sent to the front. “None” are still fighting due to being killed, wounded, suicide, falling sick, or simply leaving. Sounds like someone is being “thrown to the meat grinder without training” for personal gain, etc. I wonder if people would perceive things differently if the same terms were applied to both sides of the equation (they are the same in reality, there is no magic).