The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

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Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, June 7
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, June 7 | Institute for the Study of War (understandingwar.org)
June 7, 6:45 pm ET

Main Points.
  • Russian forces have likely established control over the majority of the residential sector of Severodonetsk and conducted assaults against Ukrainian positions in the industrial zone in the past 24 hours. The operational environment within the city remains fluid.
  • Russian forces continued efforts to advance on Slovyansk southeast from the Izyum area and west from Lyman, attempting to break through Ukrainian defenses that have halted most direct frontal assaults from Izyum.
  • Russian forces are likely attempting to reinforce their operations in the Severodonetsk-Lysychansk area from both the Toshkivka-Ustynivka area in the south and Kupyansk from the northwest.
  • Russian forces began withdrawing troops from positions in Zaporizhia Oblast, likely either to rotate damaged units into rear areas or to reinforce Russian defenses in northwestern Kherson Oblast, though ISW cannot currently confirm the destination of these forces.
  • Russian forces failed to regain advanced positions on the western (now Ukrainian-occupied) bank of the Ihulets River on June 7.
  • Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu announced that Russian forces restored transit connections between newly occupied cities and Crimea.
  • Russian occupation authorities continue to face challenges suppressing Ukrainian resistance and finding partisan supporters despite increasingly draconian occupation measures and attempts to bribe Ukrainian civilians.


Click here to see ISW's interactive map of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. This map is updated daily alongside the static maps present in this report.

Russian forces continued offensive operations in several locations in eastern Ukraine but did not secure any confirmed gains in ground assaults on June 7.
Russian forces have likely captured most of Severodonetsk, but ISW cannot confirm the exact control of terrain within the city.[1] Russian forces additionally redeployed troops east of Bakhmut to renew offensives to secure access to highways northeast of Bakhmut and threaten Ukrainian lines of communication.[2] Russian troops north of Slovyansk will likely seek to advance toward Slovyansk and Kramatorsk from positions north of the city.[3] Russian forces on the Southern Axis are reportedly redeploying away from Zaporizhia Oblast toward Kherson Oblast, likely in order to support Russian defensive positions that have been threatened by Ukrainian counterattacks along the Mykolaiv-Kherson Oblast border south of Davydiv Brid.[4]

Members of the Russian military community are accusing Ukrainian forces of escalating artillery attacks on Russian rear areas in a likely attempt to dissuade further Western support to the Ukrainian military. Former FSB agent Igor Girkin (also known as Strelkov) accused Ukrainian troops of perpetrating “terrorist attacks” against residential areas of Donetsk City, Horlivka, and Makiivka. [5] A Russian source additionally accused Ukrainian forces of firing on Shyroka Balka, Kherson Oblast. [6] Ukrainian social media users denied the claims and stated that they are likely false-flag attempts to spoil Western opinion of the Ukrainian military and halt military aid to the Ukrainian Armed Forces. [7]

The Kremlin’s efforts to censor information about deceased military personnel and ongoing forced mobilization within the DNR and LNR are reportedly exacerbating domestic tensions and opposition to the war in Russia. The Ukrainian Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) reported that the Kremlin assigned lawyers and psychologists to convince families of personnel of the sunken cruiser Moskva to refrain from disclosing any information regarding the deaths of their relatives in an effort to crush rising social tensions in Russia. [8] The GUR stated that the Kremlin is threatening to nullify financial compensation to the families of Moskva crew members if they publicly discuss the sinking of the cruiser, resulting in some relatives refusing to meet with Black Sesa Fleet commanders in Sevastopol in protest. Ukrainian media sources separately reported that the Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) altered mobilization protocols and is now promising compensation for wounded and deceased personnel due to DNR servicemen rioting at the frontlines. [9]

Domestic Russian complaints about the maltreatment and lack of preparation among Russian combat forces are likely prompting the Kremlin to take rhetorical steps to curb discontent. Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu stated that new conscripts during the summer training period will be trained with specific attention to lessons learned so far in Ukraine during a meeting with the National Defense Management Center (NDCC) (the supreme command center of the Russian Armed Forces and Defense Ministry) on June 7. Shoigu added that summer conscripts will learn battlefield first aid, likely responding to criticisms by members of the Russian military community of poor tactics and lack of first aid acumen among Russian soldiers. [10] However, the Russian military is unlikely to properly train and equip Russian conscripts rushed to the front as replacements and likely primarily seeks to mollify public discontent. Former DNR Security Minister and milblogger Alexander Khodakovsky claimed that he asked the DNR military command to move exhausted and demoralized proxy conscripts to auxiliary tasks away from the line of contact but to no avail. [11]

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Morgo

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He also mentions Kursk as being the ''largest tank battle in history''; I was under the impression that battles in the 1973 Ramadhan/Yom Kippur war involved more tanks than Kursk.
A small clarification - Wikipedia (yes yes I know but should suffice for well known historical battles) lists around 3,400 tanks on both sides for the Yom Kippur war - and 10,500 (!!) in the Battle of Kursk. Hard to fathom what that would've been like. Absolutely apocalyptic presumably.
 

ngatimozart

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He also mentions Kursk as being the ''largest tank battle in history''; I was under the impression that battles in the 1973 Ramadhan/Yom Kippur war involved more tanks than Kursk.
A small clarification - Wikipedia (yes yes I know but should suffice for well known historical battles) lists around 3,400 tanks on both sides for the Yom Kippur war - and 10,500 (!!) in the Battle of Kursk. Hard to fathom what that would've been like. Absolutely apocalyptic presumably.
I would agree. It doesn't qualify because Kursk was one huge battle. Yes more far tanks were fielded during the Yom Kippur war by both sides, but I do not think that there was any single engagement where the numbers of tanks that fought exceeded the number at Kursk.
 

Stampede

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I know that it was either Khrushchev or Brezhnev who administratively transferred Crimea to Ukraine when both were part of the USSR, but I think that the Russians do have a claim for Crimea, based on their 200 years of occupation. The Crimean Tartars may disagree but Stalin deported them to gulags and other parts of the USSR and it is uncertain how many will have returned to their ancestral homelands. For sure the Russians now occupying their ancestral homelands have put down roots and will not willingly depart.

Oh yes, that much is quite obvious. All you need to do is put crowns on their heads and they would be completely imperial. The crowns and associated titles are the only thing that is missing. It's a wonder that Putin hasn't tried telling the Russian people that he's a long lost Romanov with noble heritage. :D
The identity of a region can become complicated with time,
Identity through clan, religion, language or culture is personal to the individual or as a group a source of cohesion or fracture.


This Enolinguistic map predates the little green men with guns occupying parts of Ukraine in 2014.

There are many regions in the world where the lines on a map representing a country have a complicated internal mix of Clan, religion, language and culture.
Sometimes it's just not meant to be and sometimes its made to work and in time a region forms its own new unique cohesive identity.
The main challenge and catalyst for stability is often external players seeking change for their own gain.

If Russia didn't have a Putin for the past two decades and instead a more liberal minded leader; would this region have exploded into conflict?
Or did the West create a Putin post the breakdown of the old USSR?
One for the history books.

The reality now is when looking at this map of Ukraine, it is paradoxically the predominantly Russian speaking areas that are bearing the brunt of the conflict.
Sadly I cannot see any sort of victory in the Donbas regardless of the outcome.




Regards S
 

STURM

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I do not think that there was any single engagement where the numbers of tanks that fought exceeded the number at Kursk.
Yes, even taking into account that the numbers of tanks actually at Prokhorovka have been greatly exaggerated - I can't think of an engagement which had more tanks involved. I believe after Prokhorovka it was the engagements fought around the so called 'Chinese Farm' which has the most numbers of tanks. We also have to make the distinction between the number of tanks available to Army Group South and Centre and the Voronezh and Steppe Front and those which were actually at Prokhorovka; quite often the numbers are conflated.
 

Rock the kasbah

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The identity of a region can become complicated with time,
Identity through clan, religion, language or culture is personal to the individual or as a group a source of cohesion or fracture.


This Enolinguistic map predates the little green men with guns occupying parts of Ukraine in 2014.

There are many regions in the world where the lines on a map representing a country have a complicated internal mix of Clan, religion, language and culture.
Sometimes it's just not meant to be and sometimes its made to work and in time a region forms its own new unique cohesive identity.
The main challenge and catalyst for stability is often external players seeking change for their own gain.

If Russia didn't have a Putin for the past two decades and instead a more liberal minded leader; would this region have exploded into conflict?
Or did the West create a Putin post the breakdown of the old USSR?
One for the history books.

The reality now is when looking at this map of Ukraine, it is paradoxically the predominantly Russian speaking areas that are bearing the brunt of the conflict.
Sadly I cannot see any sort of victory in the Donbas regardless of the outcome.




Regards S
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Russian sources report that allegedly Russian army has crossed the river in Svyatohirsk and took control of Tetyanivka. Let's wait for confirmation or disproval of this claim. If true it could serious problems for the Ukranian defense of the eastern front of the Izum bridgehead.
 

STURM

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- We need to start asking how this will end? How will the Ukraine and the West define success? When every inch of Ukranian territory is liberated; when Russia agree to reparations and sends delegations to Kiev and Brussels to for peace?
- We need to do away with this notion that if Putin goes he will replaced by someone eager and willing to stop the war and rebuild relations with the outside world.
- Zelensky has said that not a square inch of Ukrainian territory will be handed over and critised Kissinger but the reality is that the Ukraine will ultimately have to.give up some territory and adopt a neutral status as part of a peace deal. Russia may the aggressor but Macron was spot on when he said that it can't be humiliated; in reference to Versailles which laid the foundations/conditions for WW2. Zelensky can't be blamed for wah he's said given what his country's been through and the public mood but ultimately concessions are inevitable.
- A number of Western figures have emphasised that the decision on any concessions is up Zekensky but if makes too many; will his Western backers accept it? Not all of what's good for the Ukraine may be good for the West and vice versa.
- We keep hearing about how Russia is so weakened and that the current push in the Donbas may its last opportunity to accomplish it's goals by military means. What about the Ukraine; how long can it sustain the blows its receiving? It too has suffered heavy losses which we much less about because the Ukraine dominates the information war and Western media is on its side. Given that they're the good chaps; we tend to believe or hope that the Ukrainians are more truthful in their reporting.
- Has Putin changed his strategic goal and will pause after taking the Donbas or has he adopted a wait and see approach?
 
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- We need to start asking how this will end? How will the Ukraine and the West define success? When every inch of Ukranian territory is liberated; when Russia agree to reparations and sends delegations to Kiev and Brussels to for peace?
- We need to do away with this notion that if Putin goes he will replaced by someone eager and willing to stop the war and rebuild relations with the outside world.
- Zelensky has said that not a square inch of Ukrainian territory will be handed over and critised Kissinger but the reality is that the Ukraine will ultimately have to.give up some territory and adopt a neutral status as part of a peace deal. Russia may the aggressor but Macron was spot on when he said that it can't be humiliated; in reference to Versailles which laid the foundations/conditions for WW2. Zelensky can't be blamed for wah he's said given what his country's been through and the public mood but ultimately concessions are inevitable.
- A number of Western figures have emphasised that the decision on any concessions is up Zekensky but if makes too many; will his Western backers accept it? Not all of what's good for the Ukraine may be good for the West and vice versa.
- We keep hearing about how Russia is so weakened and that the current push in the Donbas may its last opportunity to accomplish it's goals by military means. What about the Ukraine; how long can it sustain the blows its receiving? It too has suffered heavy losses which we much less about because the Ukraine dominates the information war and Western media is on its side. Given that they're the good chaps; we tend to believe or hope that the Ukrainians are more truthful in their reporting.
- Has Putin changed his strategic goal and will pause after taking the Donbas or has he adopted a wait and see approach?
Unfortunately it's not that simple. Russian territorial demands appear to be escalating to now include Kherson and Zaporozhye area. At the end of the day the best judge of what Ukraine can give up, and how long Ukraine is willing/able to sustain the fight, is Ukraine itself. If Ukraine says they want to keep fighting, now what? Sanction them? Stop helping? This is compounded by the issue that you touched on, the interests of various western countries and the interests of Ukraine are not perfectly aligned.

There's a reason I include information about things like extrajudicial punishments in Ukraine (the infamous pole taping) and the protest at that military commissariat. One of the factors is the willingness of Ukraine's population to keep fighting, and the ability of Ukraine's government to keep coordinating and throwing resources into the fight. Neither of those seem to be expended. There's a natural stop point coming up, the fall of Slavyansk-Kramatorsk. Obviously it's not predetermined, but in my opinion it's very likely that after the fall of the Severodonetsk grouping, those twin cities will fall next. After that's done Russia has the option of a face-saving exit. All of the LDNR is free.

Now the negotiations come. Negotiations always require give and take. What is Russia willing to give? What is Russia wanting to take? And vice versa of course. What is Ukraine willing to give? What does Ukraine want to get? Negotiations aren't about justice or fairness. They're about leverage and bargaining power. If the positions are so far apart as to be irreconcilable, then the fighting continues until the dark reality of war forces the sides to adjust their wants downward and be willing to give up more to get what's most essential to them. What I think Kissinger was getting at is that Ukraine will have to accept giving something up to Russia. Ukraine isn't doing well enough in this war to simply demand everything they want, and take by force of arms what Russia isn't willing to give up. And that means bargaining. This is regardless of how fair or reasonable the desires of either party may be.

Russian sources report that allegedly Russian army has crossed the river in Svyatohirsk and took control of Tetyanivka. Let's wait for confirmation or disproval of this claim. If true it could serious problems for the Ukranian defense of the eastern front of the Izum bridgehead.
Russian sources are repoting Svyatogorsk has fallen. I haven't had time to do an update, but I will try to either today or tomorrow. If true, this is a major thrust towards Slavyansk. On the one hand this is a serious threat for Ukraine, and it comes as Ukraine funnels forces into keeping the road to Severdonetsk open. On the other hand I don't think Russia can assault Slavyansk at this time. They have to complete the operation around Severodonetsk first. I think this thrust, if confirmed, is laying the foundation for a future offensive, and forcing Ukraine to draw resources away from Severodonetsk to elsewhere.

EDIT: The DNR just got a new Prime Minister, Vitaliy Hotsenko. He is literally a Russian government official that has just been assigned to run the DNR... I agree with Rozhin's assessment. Their independence, however ephemeral, is coming to an end.

 
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Stampede

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In this part of the world the Russia / Ukraine conflict is not getting as much news coverage as compared to earlier in the year.
Maybe different in the US or Europe, but I'd suggest in time unless you are directly affected this subject will progressively fall off the radar.
Ukraine's leadership will need to be mindful that active support may diminish with time.
Russia will play a longer game that Ukraine may not be able to accommodate if they are progressively on their own.
Like it or not they may be forced to make some reluctant choices.


Regards S
 

seaspear

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In this part of the world the Russia / Ukraine conflict is not getting as much news coverage as compared to earlier in the year.
Maybe different in the US or Europe, but I'd suggest in time unless you are directly affected this subject will progressively fall off the radar.
Ukraine's leadership will need to be mindful that active support may diminish with time.
Russia will play a longer game that Ukraine may not be able to accommodate if they are progressively on their own.
Like it or not they may be forced to make some reluctant choices.


Regards S
The media can be fickle and its readers often move on ,but while various systems provided by America and other countries are yet to be deployed and used ,that may have the potential to impact Russian operations Ukrainian leadership can have some degree of optimism ,that Europe weans itself off Russia's oil and gas and other world sanctions makes it more difficult in the future for Russia to rebuild its military stocks
 

Redlands18

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In this part of the world the Russia / Ukraine conflict is not getting as much news coverage as compared to earlier in the year.
Maybe different in the US or Europe, but I'd suggest in time unless you are directly affected this subject will progressively fall off the radar.
Ukraine's leadership will need to be mindful that active support may diminish with time.
Russia will play a longer game that Ukraine may not be able to accommodate if they are progressively on their own.
Like it or not they may be forced to make some reluctant choices.


Regards S
Australians have turned inward at present due to several factors, a new government, rising interest rates, rising inflation, costs of fuel($2.10/L) rising power bills, a shortage of Gas, ongoing health issues with Covid and the Flu and a Health system that is struggling to cope.
 

koxinga

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- We need to start asking how this will end? ..
My guess is there will be a truce, where neither sides concedes their political positions but accepts the tactical reality that there will be no further gains in the short term on the battlefield. This may take place when Russia is not able to advance further and Ukraine is unable to dislodge the Russians from their existing positions.

Nothing new here; the Korean War ended with the Armistice in 1953 with the North not conceeding their the ambitions and Chinese theoretically still in a civil war with the KMT/TW.

Unqualified Western support for Ukraine cannot continue indefinitively; the requirements to take back all Russian controlled terrority from the Donbass to Crimea would require a level of investment in people, material and time that I think the West know is well beyond them. Zelensky's statements about war fatigue was not just targeted at his people but his western backers.

IMO, the state of the current conflict is to build up a strong position for Ukraine to secure bargaining power this settlement.
 

seaspear

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Interestingly this article suggests some seriousness about the investigations of war crimes in the Ukraine
EU supports ICC investigation Russian war crimes in Ukraine (europa.eu)
It is of course undeniable that the war has not effected the economy of Europe
How has Europe’s economy been affected by Russia’s war in Ukraine? | Euronews
This Austrian chancellor suggested that there needed to be a further realignment with the U.S and peace is not a given because of recent events
Last Wakeup Call for Europe | Institute of European Studies (berkeley.edu)
 

STURM

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Unfortunately it's not that simple. Russian territorial demands appear to be escalating to now include Kherson and Zaporozhye area. At the end of the day the best judge of what Ukraine can give up, and how long Ukraine is willing/able to sustain the fight, is Ukraine itself.
As long as its Western backers are able to maintain the flow of material and financial aid; the Ukrainians can go on indefinitely or at least for the rest of the year or so. The question is if this drags on with no major military and political changes; will the West remain united on maintaining the level of assistance or will it pressure Zelensky to make concessions?

What is Russia willing to give? What is Russia wanting to take? And vice versa of course. What is Ukraine willing to give?
Russia would be willing or would have no choice but to accept that it cant change the government in Kiev and that it cant incorporate the Ukraine as part of greater Russia. It would also have to issue a firm guarantee that it will respect the borders of the Ukraine but not the pre invasion borders. The Ukrainians would have to accept the fact that Russia will never budge on the Crimea and parts of the Donbas. It would also adopt the position of armed neutrality and insist that certain countries provide it with security guarantees in the event of another round of hostilities.

Nothing new here; the Korean War ended with the Armistice in 1953 with the North not conceeding their the ambitions and Chinese theoretically still in a civil war with the KMT/TW.
Yes but North Korea kept its regime intact and prevented the South Korea and its Western backer from changing the status quo. The Chinese benefited in that it kept the U.S. away from its borders and retained North Korea as a buffer. With the Ukraine its much more complicated from a geo strategic/political angle. There's also the matter of negotiations; it will have to be between the Russians and the Ukrainians; there won't be any official outside or UN participation.

current conflict is to build up a strong position for Ukraine to secure bargaining power this settlement. .
Well as the General [in the video] states; at present the Ukraine has the advantage but this can wane over time. The longer this drags on it might not be able to negotiate from a position of strength.
 
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vonnoobie

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It would also have to issue a firm guarantee that it will respect the borders of the Ukraine but not the pre invasion borders.
I don't see anyone with half a brain trusting any Russian guarantee on that seeing as Russia already previously did that when Ukraine gave up it nukes and we can see how well that turned out.

Ukraine may be willing to cede on Crimea and some of the Donbass (not all of them as some regions in their actually want to remain a part of Ukraine) but letting Russia keep the southern territory as a "land bridge" won't fly IMO. They built a bridge to to Crimea, it's not cut off from Russia that is just a weak argument to steal land where it appears the local population doesn't want them there.

Ukraine may even be willing to forgo ever being a part of NATO but if the also trying to force them from being in the EU then I have to ask what is Ukraine getting under such a deal. They lose territory, get a weak none aggression pact and forced into not integrating and improving their economy as a part of the EU. That is really all one sided and if Ukraine goes for it my only question is who does Putin go after next ...
 

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As long as its Western backers are able to maintain the flow of material and financial aid; the Ukrainians can go on indefinitely or at least for the rest of the year or so. The question is if this drags on with no major military and political changes; will the West remain united on maintaining the level of assistance or will it pressure Zelensky to make concessions?
My money is on the US continuing to provide support while European countries vary. Some will continue, some will drop off. It will partially depend on funding and available stock of military hardware. From a US standpoint this is great. Russia is expending huge resources with little to no payoff. It's part of what makes the entire thing so stupid for Russia.

Russia would be willing or would have no choice but to accept that it can change the government in Kiev and that it cant incorporate the Ukraine as part of greater Russia. It would also have to issue a firm guarantee that it will respect the borders of the Ukraine but not the pre invasion borders. The Ukrainians would have to accept the fact that Russia will never budge on the Crimea and parts of the Donbas. It would also adopt the position of armed neutrality and insist that certain countries provide it with security guarantees in the event of another round of hostilities.
None of this gets to the crux of the issue; the fate of Donbass, Zaporozhye, and Kherson areas.

Well as the General [in the video] states; at present the Ukraine has the advantage but this can wane over time. The longer this drags on it might not be able to negotiate from a position of strength.
Can it currently?

I don't see anyone with half a brain trusting any Russian guarantee on that seeing as Russia already previously did that when Ukraine gave up it nukes and we can see how well that turned out.

Ukraine may be willing to cede on Crimea and some of the Donbass (not all of them as some regions in their actually want to remain a part of Ukraine) but letting Russia keep the southern territory as a "land bridge" won't fly IMO. They built a bridge to to Crimea, it's not cut off from Russia that is just a weak argument to steal land where it appears the local population doesn't want them there.

Ukraine may even be willing to forgo ever being a part of NATO but if the also trying to force them from being in the EU then I have to ask what is Ukraine getting under such a deal. They lose territory, get a weak none aggression pact and forced into not integrating and improving their economy as a part of the EU. That is really all one sided and if Ukraine goes for it my only question is who does Putin go after next ...
They would presumably recover some territory in Kharkov area, Krivoy Rog area, and Nikolaev area. They could recover electricity from the Zaporozhskaya NPP as part of the deal. It would also mean the end of Russia's offensive and Russian strikes, the opening of Ukraine's ports, some end to the fighting and destruction. It's not a great deal. On the other hand it doesn't require giving up anything tangible. The areas Russia appears to be wanting are already under Russian control for all practical purposes.

In my opinion Ukraine won't take this deal.
 
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Update.

Kherson-Nikolaev-Odessa.

Allegedly a Russian Su-35S shooting down a Ukrainian Mi-14 with its cannon. If accurate this might be the explanation for the dead Ukrainian aviation pilots. It would also disprove that they died as part of some action around Zmeiniy.


More Russian strikes in Nikolaev. Russia appears to be targeting the port and surrounding infrastructure. This might be indirect confirmation that the VMF had to pull back from the coastline, and now Russia is shutting down the port through strikes rather then blockade.


Allegedly a Russian strike on a Ukrainian command center, near Nikolaev.


Zaporozhye-Dnepropetrovsk.

Russian artillery train in Zaporozhye area. We can see some BM-27s, some 2S5s, and some trucks, at least a couple look pretty old. I think this is equipment pulled out of storage. 2S5s pre-war were all moved to the Coastal Troops. Some were seen with the Don Cossack irregulars.


Large Russian T-80BV column in Zaporozhye area. Note previously there were rumors of a troop train with T-80BVs in the area along with the T-62s. Russia has large quantities of T-80s in storage. When coupled with the ISW info on Russian troops moving out of Zaporozhye, I suspect we're looking at a troop rotation.


Kharkov-Sumy.

Explosions can be heard in Kharkov. Presumably shelling.


Allegedly a Russian strike on a Ukrainian border post in Sumy region.


Two Ukrainian UAVs went down in Kharkov area. One is Warmate, the other is a Fly Eye, both Polish.


A Russian BMP-2M, Berezhok, in Kharkov region with the Don Cossack irregulars. It's quite the interesting choice to give the irregulars the more modern equipment.


The Izyum Salient.

The Svyatogorskaya monastery has apparently fallen to Russian forces. Russian sources are claiming all of Svyatogorsk in Russian hands.


Allegedly weapons captured in Svyatogorsk.


Russian mercenaries near Dolgen'koe.


LDNR Front.

Apparently a Ukrainian patrol getting hit in the Severodonetsk industrial sector.


Russian Uragan firing towards Slavyansk. To me the most interesting part is the first few seconds. Note the uniform on the hand from the left, loading the rocket. That's old Russian flora. Russian regular military doesn't wear this and hasn't for quite some time. This unit might be a mix of regulars and irregulars, it might be a complete unit of irregulars, it might even indicate a shortage of uniforms in the Russian military, though this seems less likely.


The road into Severodonetsk from Lisichansk. Note the destroyed vehicles on the side, including I think a Varta armored car.


The forests burn between Izyum and Slavyansk.


Knocked out BMP-2 and KrAZ bridge layer, both allegedly Ukrainian towards Slavyansk.


Allegedly Canadian fighters somewhere near Severodonetsk.


Allegedly Ukrainian BMP-1 with soldiers near Severodonetsk. Note the AKS-74Us they're all using.


LNR sappers continue work around Rubezhnoe.


DNR reservists holding the line at Donetsk Airport. Note they now have body armor, though it's old. Also note the old DShK on the tall mount.


Russian instructors train rebel reservists in the use of D-20s.


Battle damage at Rubezhnoe.


Russia.


Missile launches out of Belgorod.


Russian 22160 patrol boat carrying a Tor in the landing pad. I think this is all we need to know about the "usefullness" of the type.


12 Russian military officers are being charged for involving ~600 conscripts in the war. This is not inconsequential. I think this is a clear sign to both Russian society and the military, that this will remain a limited war.


Misc.

Ukrainian M-109s getting hit by Russian artillery. Location unclear.


Ukrainian mortar team firing. Location and context unclear.


An allegedly stuck YPR-765, location and context unclear. Russian sources claim it was abandoned.


A group of Ukrainian POWs clearly recently captured in Russian hands. They're being asked their name, rank, and unit. You can hear gunfire in the background. There are 4 in the video but we can see a handful more in the background. Location unclear.


A rare Russian BREM-L, a BMP-3 based ARV. Note the Linza MRAP MEDEVAC nearby.

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Russian repair units mounting additional armor on BMP-2s. This is a good idea, and it shows they're learning, but why did it take 100 days?


Russian sniper with a Ukrainian UAR-10 sniper rifle.


Russian irregulars from the Don Cossack unit.


Ukrainian MiG-29 with air to air missiles. Allegedly it's still active.


Ukrainian BM-27 on a Tatra truck chassis.


A now rare poletaping in Ukraine, location and context unclear.

 

Ananda

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There are those in US and UK (much less that I see on French and Germany based on their media tones), think Ukraine give concession on land toward Russia is like and Appeasement to Putin. Just like Nevile did to Adolf long long time ago.

Personally I look the other way around. It is not appeasement but more the result of the War. Appeasent is done before the war, but this concession (or whatever diplomatics term the West mainstream media will call), is simply the results of War.

If that happen, is back to parties in War (Ukraine and Russia) to find middle ground, and it is clearly not appeasement. Nobody trust each other, Ukraine clearly point out Russian invasion as point to not trusting Russia especially Putin still around. While Russia (based on their media and online sources), put Ukraine double backed on Minsks accord as prove none in Ukrainian administration trustworthy especially Zelensky still around.

I'm not going to debate whose will be more trustworthy, Ukraine or Russia. Cause it is pointless. What matter are, if they come to the negotiation table is the results of war in the ground.

Months ago I put in this thread that Russian will demand at minimum those four Oblasts outside Crimea. All their effort clearly shown that. However Russia also not getting what they want on regime change in Kyiv on someone that more workable with them. They also not going to get the wholle 'Novorussia' plan teritory, that some in Russia hoping.

Ukraine will be tilted to West no matter the results, but will lose +/- 20% of their teritory (thoss four oblasts teritories plus Crimea at least). Russia will have to live with more pro western Ukraine which going to hold grudge for long time. Much like what happen in Georgia.

In the end it is far then appeasement to Putin, but acknowledgement on the War Results. Again this is only happen, if either one of them already tired on fighting in the ground.
 
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