The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

SolarWind

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Western anti-tank weapons that explode close above the turret have proven to be very effective against Russia's latest upgrade variants. Their side ERA are effective against side-hitting anti-tank weapons but offer no protection whatsoever against the weapons that Ukraine was supplied with, such as the Javelins and the NLAWs. In this situation Russian command had to realize sooner or later that their latest and greatest tanks are like sheep for slaughter on front lines in Ukraine and have no advantage over older tank models, such as the upgraded T-62s. So it makes total sense for Russian command to preserve what's left of the T-72s and the T-90s and send upgraded T-62s instead. It remains for me an open question whether the T-62s that are sent to Ukraine are even equipped with night vision, modern communications and navigation, as it seems Russia was totally unprepared for this development.
 

Feanor

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Kherson-Nikolaev-Odessa.

Battle damage from a Russian strike on Odessa.


Russia struck the port of Nikolaev.


Russia also struck other targets around Nikolaev.


TOS-1 firing towards Nikolaev.


Russian Naval Aviation jet in the sky carrying a fairly typical load of 2 R-73s, 4 R-27s (note the lack of the more modern RVV-SD), and two Kh-31s. This somewhat mirrors the loadout we've seen on Su-35s.


The North.

Russian strikes land in Kiev. One of the targets is the Darnitsa traincar repair plant. It was allegedly being used as a facility for upgrading incoming T-72s with K-1.


The Kiev strike allegedly involved the new Kh-59MK2 fired by an Su-57.


Kharkov-Sumy.

The football club Metallist in Kharkov was hit by a Russian strike. It was allegedly a staging area for Ukrainian forces.


The Izyum Salient.

Some footage out of Izyum, shows the bad state of the town.


Russian humanitarian aid has arrived in Krasniy Liman. Note that recently footage like this has become scarce. This could be a reflection of Russia scaling back their efforts. It could also be indicative that Russia isn't going ground like before and therefore there aren't as many recently front-line areas now under Russian control.


LDNR Front.

Russian VDV assault team storming a Ukrainian strong point towards Bakhmut (Artemovsk). Based on the VSS or AS being used by the one filming, these are either recon or 45th SPN. The attack was apparently successful as we have photos of overrun positions.


The center of Donetsk got hit by a MLRS strike.


Rebel artillery strike from their 1st Territorial Defense Mechanized Btln taking out an alleged Ukrainian munitions dump.


Rebel artillery firing on Mar'inka.


Large Russian troop column allegedly already past Kamyshevakha.


Russian Ka-52 near Popasnaya.


Russian ZALA UAV launching near Popasnaya.


Rebel UAV team using Russian military UAVs, Eleron.


Allegedly foreign fighters have arrived in Severodonetsk.


Ukrainian RM-70 MLRS allegedly near Severodonetsk. If accurate, this would be the first confirmation of the type at the front line.


Ukrainian soldiers driving into Severodonetsk.


Footage of battle damage in Severodonetsk.


Battle damage to Artemovsk (Bakhmut).


Russian strike on a factory in Kramatorsk where Ukrainian vehicles were allegedly being repaired.


Russian Major General Roman Kutuzov is claimed KIA by Russian sources, in the fight around the Lisichansk-Artemovsk road. Russian sources claim he is the 4th general to die in this war.


Misc.

Allegedly Russian recon firing RPGs and ATGMs, location and context unclear.


Apparently a Russian assault team trying to take a Ukrainian position at night.


Russian night time MLRS strikes, location and context unclear. Given the relative scarcity of UAVs with good night optics, this may be a way to hide the artillery from enemy UAVs.


Russian 2S7s operating in Ukraine.


A T-72B allegedly captured by Russian or rebel forces.


A captured BTR-4 has been repaired and returned to service. Unclear who exactly will be using it.


An up-armored Tigr-M SpN somewhere in Ukraine.


A lengthy video of a TOS-1 being reloaded.


Ukrainian M-109A3, context and location unclear.


Second sighting of British Wolfhoud MRAPs being operated by Ukrainian forces.


Rare footage of a Ukrainian S-300 in action. Footage is old.


Allegedly an American fighter in Ukraine.


Russia and Ukraine exchanged bodies of KIAs in Zaporozhye area, 160 for 160.


NATO/EU.

A US Mi-17 being prepared for shipment.


American M224 60mm mortar in Ukrainian hands.


Greece will be allegedly supplying 500 BMP-1 (some have had their turret removed and ZU-23-2s placed instead), 15 000 shells for the 2A28 cannon, 2100 122mm rockets (Grads?), 17 000 155mm artillery shells, 20 000 AKs and 3.2 mln rounds for them, 1100 RPG-18s, 60 Stingers.

 

Feanor

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Can someone more knowledgable tell me if I'm correct in ID'ing these as T-62's?

Allegedly they are moving near Kherson towards the west and north.
Interestingly they took the time to install cage armor on top, yet I dont see any ERA.
It appears either a new offensive is brewing towards Nikolaev or Krivoy Rog. Alternatively Russia is sufficiently concerned with Ukrainian attacks there to throw reinforcements over there.

 

OPSSG

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Update No. 2 on Severodonetsk & other sectors

4. The Ukrainian counter attack at Severodonetsk likely caught Russians of guard, however I don't think this is an attempt to retake the whole city. This is just to inflict as many losses on Russians as they can, so as to render Russian BTGs combat ineffective; and unable to move past Severodonetsk.
(a) Serhiy Hayday, head of Luhansk Regional Military Administration, on Ukrainian TV said that Russia is targeting most of its shelling at the neighboring city of Lysychansk, which sits on strategic high ground across the Siverskyi Donets River from Severodonetsk. “From there, it is much easier to defend and maintain a defensive line,” Hayday said.​
(b) Not content with reading reports, President Zelenskyy moves to the edge of battle to get a feel for the morale and capability of his military in the field. You can read reports all day, but there is no substitute for walking the ground with leaders at the tip of the spear. Incredible to see President Zelenskyy go into the command HQ in nearby Lysychansk, where the deadly fight in the Severodonetsk salient is being controlled.​

5. Ukrainian positions are raining precision artillery fire on Severodonetsk Russian positions. They are using high ground for supporting fire — as I kept saying, terrain will affect how you fight. It will dictate the avenues of approach during the Ukrainian counter attack.

6. It is hard for people to believe that on the 102nd day Ukrainian forces are able to conduct further localised counterattacks in Severodonetsk, halting Russian advances and recapturing some areas of the city. Keeping in mind that they are losing about 100 KIA a day, for a hundred days, before considering the WIA numbers.

7. President Zelenskyy’s visit to the frontlines draws the attention of an international audiences, as part of Ukraine’s global influence campaign. This demonstrates that he is not a just a leader hiding in a bunker; and that he is the leader of a nation worth supporting in the long term.
 
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seaspear

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In regards to logistics is there any ideas of the amount of munitions that has been expended by Russia against Ukraine ,it seems to maintain a constant usage for a hundred days there must of been very high amounts of storage of shells ,missiles etc prior to this.
 

STURM

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Indeed. From the onset we questioned how large the stocks were but we had no idea as to how many reloads they actually had prior to the invasion.
For all we know factories are producing reloads as we speak; irrespective of the sanctions and whatever issues Russia faces.

Kosovo lasted from late February to mid June, 1999. Even before it ended it was reported that stocks of Tomahawk and other types of ordnance were running dangerously low - granted the U.S. and its allies used PGMs on a much larger scale in Kosovo than the Russians are at present in the Ukraine.
 

ngatimozart

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Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, June 5
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, June 5 | Institute for the Study of War (understandingwar.org)
June 5, 5:15 pm ET
  • Ukrainian counterattacks in Severodonetsk recaptured large parts of the city and forced Russian troops out of the southern suburbs of the city.
  • Russian forces continued efforts to converge on Slovyansk from the southeast of Izyum and west of Lyman but remain unlikely to make notable advances around Slovyansk due to their continued prioritization of Severodonetsk.
  • Ukrainian troops reportedly conducted limited and localized counterattacks north of Kharkiv City.
  • Russian forces continued to hold their defensive lines and fire at Ukrainian positions along the Southern Axis.
  • Ukrainian forces likely killed Russian Major General Roman Kutuzov near Popasna.


Click here to see ISW's interactive map of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. This map is updated daily alongside the static maps present in this report.

Ukrainian forces continued to conduct limited and localized but successful counterattacks against Russian positions throughout Ukraine on June 5, including retaking large areas of Severodonetsk—the city in Luhansk Oblast the Kremlin has concentrated the majority of its forces on capturing.
A Russian Telegram channel claimed that Ukrainian troops launched a counterattack north of Kharkiv City, indicating that Ukrainian forces continue to pressure Russian defensive lines near the Russian border. [1] Ukrainian forces are likely seeking to leverage the continued Russian focus on Severodonetsk to conduct counterattacks on other axes of advance. Even as Russian forces continue to pour equipment and troops into the Severodonetsk-Lysychansk area, Ukrainian forces have conducted a successful counterattack in Severodonetsk in the last 48 hours and pushed Russian troops back to the eastern outskirts of the city and out of southern settlements. [2] Ukrainian counteroffensive pressure will likely continue to draw the attention of Russian forces to Luhansk Oblast and therefore leave vulnerabilities in Russian defensive efforts in Kharkiv Oblast and along the Southern Axis. The ability of Ukrainian forces to successfully counterattack in Severodonetsk, the Kremlin’s current priority area of operations, further indicates the declining combat power of Russian forces in Ukraine.

Ukrainian forces reportedly killed Russian Major General Roman Kutuzov on June 5. Russian Telegram channels reported that Kutuzov was killed near Mykolaivka, Luhansk Oblast (near Popasna) on June 5. [3] Kutuzov likely commanded the Donetsk People’s Republic’s 1st Army Corps at the time of his death, though ISW cannot confirm his exact position. [4] Some sources reported that Kutuzov commanded the 5th Combined Arms Army (CAA) at the time of his death, but we assess this is likely incorrect—Kutuzov served as acting commander of the 5th CAA from 2017 to 2019, and Major General Alexei Vladimirovich Podilov currently commands the 5th CAA. [5] High-level Russian commanders have taken remarkably high losses during combat in Ukraine, and will likely continue to do so as the Russian command continues to deploy military leadership directly to the frontline. Kutuzov’s death has not yet been confirmed but would be at least the seventh death of a general in Ukraine since the beginning of the war. [6]

Russian forces conducted their first missile strike against Kyiv in over a month on June 5. Advisor to the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense Vadym Denysenko stated that Russian forces fired five X-22 cruise missiles from a Tu-95 aircraft at Kyiv from the direction of the Caspian Sea that hit the Darnytsia Rail Car Repair Plant on the outskirts of Kyiv. [7] The Russian Ministry of Defense claimed that this strike targeted T-72 tanks supplied to Ukraine by other Eastern European countries, but images of the target area confirm that the missiles hit the Darnytsia plant. [8] It is unclear if Russian forces intended to strike foreign-provided Ukrainian tanks and missed, or if the Kremlin is attempting to obfuscate its intended target. This attack on Kyiv likely indicates that Russian forces are continuing to target Ukrainian infrastructure in non-critical areas of Ukraine in order to disrupt Ukrainian logistics as Russian forces take considerable losses in Donbas.

Russian military bloggers continued to reckon with overarching struggles in Russian force generation on June 5. Russian milblogger Alexander Khodakovsky accused “screamers in the guise of patriots” of hypocritically calling for general mobilization while at the same time discrediting the Russian military leadership and driving away those who would voluntarily take up arms for Russia. [9] Khodakovsky blamed the pervasive public discourse on general mobilization for making people overthink and subsequently become less willing to enter military service, thereby forcing Russian military command closer to actually needing to announce general mobilization. Khodakovsky suggested that this discourse is setting Russia up for a long war in Ukraine and that Russian authorities have been positioned to take the blame for losses. Russian war journalist Alexander Sladkov claimed that the Russian grouping in Ukraine is an ”exclusively professional army” not staffed by conscripts, while simultaneously calling for the removal of health requirements for rear and combat specialties in order to mobilize those who should be medically disqualified. [10] These and other comments by Russian military specialists indicate the Russian military community is increasingly aware of issues in sustaining mobilization efforts and different actors are seeking to apportion blame as Russian operations continue to stall.

Full article at link above or pdf can be downloaded here
 

Feanor

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Apparently and according to Neil Hauer, Ukrainian successes in Severodonetsks are "much less significant than reported, partially owing to overzealous statements ahead of Zelensky's visit to the area"


Russian sources are claiming the counter-attack is mostly fictional. I'm waiting until we have some sort of clarity on this. The real battle I think is around the roads Lisichansk-Artemovsk and Lisichansk-Seversk. If Russia can cut one road completely and regular hit the other with fire, the positions in Severodonetsk-Lisichansk will be a de-facto pocket. If Russia cuts both roads, it will be a real problem. Note the recent Major General killed. He died in the fighting around one of those roads. Not assaulting Severodonetsk.
 

ngatimozart

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Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, June 6

Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, June 6 | Institute for the Study of War (understandingwar.org)
June 6, 7:15 pm ET

Main Points.
  • Russian forces likely retain control over most of Severodonetsk as of June 6, though the exact situation in the city remains unclear. Control of terrain is likely changing hands frequently.
  • Russian forces in the Izyum area did not make any confirmed advances, while forces advancing west from Lyman secured minor gains.
  • Russian forces continued unsuccessful attempts to sever Ukrainian lines of communication northeast of Bakhmut.
  • Limited and localized Ukrainian counterattacks on June 5 forced Russian troops to focus on holding defensive lines north of Kharkiv City on June 6.
  • Russian occupation authorities are advancing efforts to issue Russian passports to Ukrainian citizens and cement their control over occupied territories.
  • The Ukrainian Navy claimed to have pushed the Russian Black Sea Fleet more than 100 km from the Ukrainian coast, likely to reduce the pressure of the Russian blockade on Ukraine’s southern ports.


Click here to see ISW's interactive map of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. This map is updated daily alongside the static maps present in this report.

The nature of urban combat in Severodonetsk is likely obfuscating reports of control of terrain within the city, though Russian forces likely retain control over much of the city.
Head of the Luhansk Regional State Administration Serhiy Haidai claimed on June 5 that Ukrainian forces managed to retake large parts of Severodonetsk and push Russian forces to the outskirts of the city during successful urban counterattacks. [1] Ukrainian journalist Yuri Butusov, however, denied Haidai’s claims on June 5 and claimed that Ukrainian forces only control the Azot industrial sector of Severodonetsk. Haidai amended his claims on June 6 and reported that the situation in Severodonetsk has deteriorated significantly, adding that Ukrainian forces were indeed fighting within the Azot industrial site on June 6. [2] The reason for Haidai and Butusov’s conflicting reports is unclear, and heavy urban fighting is ongoing in the city.

Ukrainian naval forces are challenging Russian dominance over the northwestern part of the Black Sea and claimed to be preventing Russian warships from operating close to the shoreline. The Ukrainian Navy reported on June 6 that they had succeeded in pushing a grouping of the Russian Black Sea Fleet more than 100 km away from the Ukrainian coast but did not specify a timeframe for this statement. [3] The report additionally stated that Russian naval forces have subsequently had to change their tactics in the Black Sea and are relying more heavily on Bal and Bastion coastal defense systems in occupied Kherson and Crimea rather than seaborne air defenses. The UK Ministry of Defense claimed that Russian forces have been strengthening their air defense assets on Snake Island, and the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense reported that Russian forces deployed additional S-300 air defense battalions to Crimea. [4] Taken together, these reports suggest that Ukrainian naval pressure and anti-ship missiles—likely including those provided by the UK and other states—have forced the Russian grouping in the northwestern Black Sea to rely more on coastal and air defense as they are pushed away from the Ukrainian shoreline. Ukraine will likely attempt to leverage these successes to alleviate the economic pressure of the Russian blockade on Ukraine’s ports and seek additional economic support from the west, including possibly opening up new routes for international aid to Ukraine.

Full article at link above or pdf can be downloaded here
 

Feanor

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Update.

Kherson-Nikolaev-Odessa.

Russian strike on Bashtanka, Nikolaev area.


Russian strike allegedly Nikolaev region against the headquarters of Ukraine's 63rd Bde.


Russian TOS-1 firing allegedly from Kherson region into Nikolaev region.


Zaporozhye-Dnepropetrovsk.

An Su-27 was downed in Ukraine. It was allegedly claimed to be a Russian Su-25 but now appears to be a Ukrainian Su-27, possibly downed by friendly fire. Though Russian sources are claiming credit for the downing, they also identify it as a MiG-29. It was shot down in Zaporozhye area.


The North.

More battle damage footage from the Darnitskiy traincar repair plant in Kiev. It was allegedly being used to service armored vehicles.


Kharkov-Sumy.

Battle damage from a Russian strike against the Panyutinskiy train car repair plant in Kharkov area. Presumably it was being targeted due to it's either active or potential use in repairing armored vehicles.


Cossack volunteer unit Don, in Kharkov region.


Izyum Salient.

Some footage from near Izyum. Note the destroyed Kamaz MRAP. It's one of the new Linza MEDEVACs, quite a scarce vehicle in Russia (though it's in production and replacements are certainly available).


Russian volunteer unit Center, near Izyum, posing with captured Ukrainian weapons. Note, I suspect these aren't recently captured by them, rather previously captured.


LDNR Front.

Russian artillery apparently taking out 2S1s with Krasnopol', allegedly around Artemovsk/Bakhmut.


Rebel 4th Brigade apparently taking out a Ukrainian BMP-1.


Russian SpN in action, allegedly near Severodonetsk.


LNR Artillery allegedly firing at the Bakhmut-Lisichansk road.


DNR 9th Rgt Grads firing towards Avdeevka.


Russian recon allegedly took out a group of foreign fighters somewhere near Kramatorsk. It's of course impossible to verify who was taken out without bodies, but the the scene is typical for Ukrainian light infantry, civilian vehicles, imported weapons, and tooled up AKs.


Rebel D-20 operating near Popasnaya.


Allegedly captured Ukrainian BRDM-2s in DNR hands.


Apparently overrun Ukrainian positions near Avdeevka.


Overrun Ukrainian positions at Borovskoe, south-east of Lisichansk-Severodonetsk.


6th LNR Cossack Rgt, near Zolotoe.


Allegedly Russian mecenaries, LNR area.


Some footage from the streets in Severodonetsk. It's clear the town is so far in far better shape then Mariupol'. It remains to be seen what it looks like by the time the fighting there ends.


Russian EOD clearing mines near Severodonetsk.


Ukrainian technicals in Severodonetsk industrial area.


Ukrainian infantry in Severodonetsk. This doesn't appear to be regular infantry and probably isn't territorial defense. Note the suppressors.


Apparently Georgian fighters near Severodonetsk.


Satellite images show the battle damage to the Azot factory in Severodonetsk.


The DNR intends to put on trial two UK and one Morocco citizens for alleged crimes during the current war. Their names are Shaun Pinner, Daniel Aiden, (both UK) and Saadun Bragim (Morocco). The nature of the charges are unclear but Russian sources call them mercenaries which hints at the nature of the accusation.


More strikes against the center of Donetsk. Note there have been interesting reports that rebels are short on artillery, and have had to pull the artillery that normally works counter-battery fire away from Donetsk to another section of the front. This might explain the increased shelling.


T-72M1s and YPR-765s location and context unclear. Allegedly Donbass.


A pair of Ukrainian Mi-8s at low altitude, allegedly Donbass. Context unclear.


Russia.

A funeral for a Cossack volunteer who died fighting in Ukraine, Moscow region.


Misc.

Russian Msta-S operations, location and context unclear.


Uparmored Kamaz guntruck. Unclear if Russian or rebel.


Ukrainian territorial defense, S-60 on a truck, and mini-MLRS on a pickup. This is a common format of fire support that has been seen a lot in Syria and Iraq.


Allegedly a group of foreign fighters in Ukraine.


More footage of the Wolfhound in Ukrainian service, with a .50 cal M2. Note these videos all appear to be from the same training exercises.


Russian repair unit fixing damaged armored vehicles.


NATO/EU.

Spain is supplying Ukraine with Leopard-2s and Skyguard Aspide SAMs. Reportedly it's going to be ~40 tanks, and an unclear number of SAMs.


There are reports that Sweden will supply the RBS-17 missile to Ukraine.


We have reports of Vector Pinzgauer 718 6X6 armored cars delivered from the UK to Ukraine. Apparently they were purchased by a private party.


Humvees being transported through the Czech Republic, presumably to Ukraine.

 

Feanor

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Conflicting rumors continue to circulate about the T-62s seen near Kherson. Some sources claim they're mercenaries, others that they're National Guard who didn't have tanks. It's still not clear what happened to the train of them that allegedly went to Melitopol'. Still no news of them in combat.
 

Ananda

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Put it more clearer the old Russian Empire Taurida Oblast (Governorates). I have put another Taurida map before (from online sources), but this one more clearer on the boundaries with names that can be related to present condition.

The area more or less similar with what Russia hold outside Donbas. This is area also that according to Russian sources that's being prepare for Referendum. With Crimea referendum before plus Kherson (and part of Zhaparozye) referendum, practically Putin can call (especially to domestic audience) the revive of Taurida.

The West call him nostalgic to USSR, the way I see it he's more nostalgic to Old Russian Empire. That's why he's close to Orthodox Church.
 

STURM

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Excellent discussions on Russia, the ''West'' and many other things. Kolkin has done 2 volumes on Stalin and is finishing a 3rd. Kaplan has done numerous books on geo politics/strategy. Hard to read [for me at least] but his books have to be read.
 

Sandhi Yudha

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Video of French Caesar 155mm SPH being used in Ukraine. No details of where or when.

Thank you for sharing. This should be the 55th Artillery Brigade "Zaporozhian Sich".
The CAESAR seems to be a highly capable, accurate and mobile artillery system, probably also the reason the Indonesian Army received a second batch of it.

Update.

T-72M1s and YPR-765s location and context unclear. Allegedly Donbass.

Big chance these YPR-765 IFVs are the ones delivered by the Netherlands. They also have the same camouflage pattern.




This will bring the military equipment support of the US at a higher level.

|"The US government intends to supply Ukraine with General Atomics Aeronautical Systems Inc (GA-ASI) MQ-1C Gray Eagle medium-altitude long-endurance (MALE) unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) armed with air-to-surface missiles.

Reuters announced the plan on 1 June, saying that the Biden administration will provide four Gray Eagle unmanned aircraft equipped with Lockheed Martin AGM-114 Hellfire missiles."|
Source: Ukraine conflict: US to provide Gray Eagle UAVs to Kyiv

It is not clear if this is a Foreign Military Sale or a gift, but probably a gift.





Extreme low flying Ka-52.
 
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STURM

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however I suspect SEAD/DEAD would not be NATOs main challenge moving forward.
You could be right. As for me personally I have no idea and I will not assume that having the on paper capability and all the associated technology, impressive as they are, is a guarantee of anything. For all we know any future war involving NATO might be very different from what's happening in the Ukraine at present.

What the Russians faced and are facing in the Ukraine is unique to the Ukraine; the 2nd largest country in Europe; one with an extensive GBAD; against an opponent who is familiar with Russian tactics and doctrine as well as many of the weapons employed against it. Kosovo was a wake up for the Europeans; a reminder of how limited they were in various capabilities and their over reliance for the Americans who also found the Serb GBAD to be challenging - "NATO's Air War Over Kosovo" [Lambeth] is an excellent read on the subject.The Ukraine is also a wake up call and even before the invasion the Europeans were taking the needed steps to improve their SEAD/DEAD capabilities.

Whether they will perform as intended against a capable foe; without much reliance on the Americans; is something that really remains to be seen. What also remains to be seen and is open to wide speculation is how NATO would perform if it had to go against the Russian GBAD on Russian soil.
 

Todjaeger

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Put it more clearer the old Russian Empire Taurida Oblast (Governorates). I have put another Taurida map before (from online sources), but this one more clearer on the boundaries with names that can be related to present condition.

The area more or less similar with what Russia hold outside Donbas. This is area also that according to Russian sources that's being prepare for Referendum. With Crimea referendum before plus Kherson (and part of Zhaparozye) referendum, practically Putin can call (especially to domestic audience) the revive of Taurida.

The West call him nostalgic to USSR, the way I see it he's more nostalgic to Old Russian Empire. That's why he's close to Orthodox Church.
Just wanted to point out that the Russian Empire (est. 1721) annexed the Crimean in 1783, despite a treaty with the Ottomans following the Russo-Turkish War (1768-1774), and during the reign of Catherine.

I strongly suspect that current Russian leaders are more nostalgic for the days of Russian expansion.
 

ngatimozart

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Just wanted to point out that the Russian Empire (est. 1721) annexed the Crimean in 1783, despite a treaty with the Ottomans following the Russo-Turkish War (1768-1774), and during the reign of Catherine.
I know that it was either Khrushchev or Brezhnev who administratively transferred Crimea to Ukraine when both were part of the USSR, but I think that the Russians do have a claim for Crimea, based on their 200 years of occupation. The Crimean Tartars may disagree but Stalin deported them to gulags and other parts of the USSR and it is uncertain how many will have returned to their ancestral homelands. For sure the Russians now occupying their ancestral homelands have put down roots and will not willingly depart.
I strongly suspect that current Russian leaders are more nostalgic for the days of Russian expansion.
Oh yes, that much is quite obvious. All you need to do is put crowns on their heads and they would be completely imperial. The crowns and associated titles are the only thing that is missing. It's a wonder that Putin hasn't tried telling the Russian people that he's a long lost Romanov with noble heritage. :D
 
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