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The Royal Navy Discussions and Updates

Discussion in 'Navy & Maritime' started by overlander, Dec 27, 2006.

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  1. John Fedup

    John Fedup Well-Known Member

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    The French want to get their carrier to the Pacific first I guess. Don't think they will be visiting NZ with their naughty nuclear powered ship though.:rolleyes:
     
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    The French and the UK deploying CVTG's to the Pacific are a good move and send a message to Beijing and others, that it is not just the US and Indo Pacific nations who are resisting Beijings aggression and illegal land / sea resource grabs.

    Don't think that a French CVN would create too much of a stink with the left-tard protesters. However if it was an American CVN the howls of self righteous indignation from screeching left-tard protesters would awaken the long dead. French warships from the French Pacific Territories regularly visit NZ and no protests etc., whatsoever. Soon as an American one looks like coming here the screeching from the left-tards starts.
     
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    We used to have a lot of the same left-tard reactions to America military visits but not so much now. Even left-tards realize how much the US presence allows Canada to skimp on defence obligations.
     
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    NZ isn't touchy about the french nuclear tests and Rainbow warrior? A patrol ship is a bit different from a carrier visit.
    Wonder if the French will stop by its old colonials like the UK is planning. Vietnam? Vanuatu?
     
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    ngatimozart Super Moderator Staff Member Verified Defense Pro

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    Nope, no longer touchy about it.
     
  6. MrConservative

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    I do think the Charles de Gaulle would have them choking on their organic lentils though. I agree any other French vessel not so much.

    When an AB came down for the RNZN 75th Birthday there really was not too much fuss. The radical left today are starting to be mocked more than anything else viz the Auckland Peace Action spokesperson's interview with Sean Plunkett earlier in the week.
     
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    Isn't NZ a Nuke free zone which would automaticly rule out a visit by the CDG.
    US Warships couldn't visit till recently due to the fact rhat they wouldn't admit to whether they were carrying Nukes or not.
     
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    Oh yes, he had her well and truly hoisted by her own petard. Listen: Sean Plunket rips apart stunned Auckland Peace Action activist over Jordan Peterson opposition Talk about a stunned mullet. Oh dear how sad to bad never mind.
     
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    Says you, I think there would be significant public disapproval if the French wanted to bring CdG to NZ, and it would also be illegal, the New Zealand Nuclear Free Zone, Disarmament, and Arms Control Act 1987 specifically bans nuclear powered and armed vessels from NZ territorial waters.
     
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    Could we please steer this thread back to the Royal Navy.

    Cheers Mr C
     
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    The Guardian loudly announced that the carriers had been scrapped, sold off to India or would be otherwise cancelled so many times over the last ten years I'm sure that their very existence causes uncontrollable writhing in pain.

    A CVF with a deck of 24 or more F35B in a task force would be a very big stick to have arrive off the coasts of many nations and if anyone were in doubt they should look to how the US regard the UK re-entry into carrier strike I would suggest.

    Jenkins is incorrect in all details and I hope he wasn't paid for the article.
     
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    Looks nice. A privateer for the 21st century. Could be what the RAN page are on about with regards to to a HADR/hospital ship. Minimal permanent crew too...
     
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    The specs don't seem to be that much different to the Bay class, but without a well deck.

    Perhaps the Brits should have hung onto the Largs Bay. It probably still has another 20 years left in it. Oh well ... their loss.
     
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    T68 posted this link on the ADF thread. Shows more information, no well deck but it has a ro-ro setup.

    MRV |
     
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    And that IMO is the problem because it then has the same problem as the MRV HMNZS Canterbury - can't use the stern ramp in sea states greater than 2 (sub para f, p.25) which are quite low. Kinda defeats the purpose.
     
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    I think it's more like the MOD Point Class ships, they built 6, 4 are still in service, 2 were released from MOD charter, maybe this vessel could be built by refitting some of the Points?
     
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    Yes. Considering the smallness of her RFA crew, & her general usefulness, I was amazed that she was got rid of. Sold off cheap, too. The RAN got a bargain.
     
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    Could Albion and Bulwark be used for this and then replace these ships and Ocean with 2 new amphibious assault ships. Or another possibility is the 2 fort class replenishment ships which are in the process of being replaced.
     
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    Albion & Bulwark have relatively large crews, & would be more expensive to operate than the modified merchant ship/auxiliary that seems to be under consideration for this role. Also, replacing them with new amphibious ships would be more expensive than the new ships proposed.

    And why is the Fort-class being replaced? Fort Rosalie & Fort Austin are 40 years old. Are such old ships a good basis for a new capability?