... and of course you couldn't just send an aircraft carrier ... they would have to send an entire task group. With destroyers, frigates, refuelers and possibly subs and maritime reconnaissance aircraft this would be a really major deployment.
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This will be one of the RN's great challenges - to become a fleet accustomed to working in task forces instead of isolated ships - the group sent may be a composite group, composed of various nations but a UK carrier will be going to exercise right of navigation tasks in the Pacific.
It's going to be interesting but we'll have two carriers with 5G aircraft to bring along. Not both at the same time but that's one more carrier than almost any nation on the planet can bring.
Last I counted, there weren't a lot of countries that could sortie a carrier of any sorts, STOVL or CATOBAR.
I suspect developments will be watched closely.
It's going to be interesting but we'll have two carriers with 5G aircraft to bring along. Not both at the same time but that's one more carrier than almost any nation on the planet can bring.
Last I counted, there weren't a lot of countries that could sortie a carrier of any sorts, STOVL or CATOBAR.
I suspect developments will be watched closely.
This is of course entirely true. I foresee the future RN carriers escorted by an RAN AWD and/or frigate as well as their own escorts and perhaps replenished by one of our new Calabrias or the new RNZN ship while in our area, and with attachments from other navies in their back yards. It's not hard to imagine her with Japanese, Singaporean or South Korean consorts either
oldsig
40 deg south
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Yep. If they do send Queen Lizzie to the Pacific, expect an all-singing all-dancing spectacle. Britain will be keen to fly the flag among friends, allies and potential customers, so I would expect a comprehensive programme of port visits and bilateral exercises. At a minimum, I'd expect visits to Japan, South Korea, Singapore and Australia, with Malaysia, China and several others as strong possibilities.
16 Type 42s includes the two built for Argentina. 14 were built for the RN but we never had more than 12, as two were sunk before the last six were commissioned.
It's a big stick to hold and I suspect we'll get a lot of support from the US as they're short on carriers and potentially we could fill a cap - the QE's are not equivalent to a Nimitz in any sense of the word but they could plug a deployment gap for one in some situations.
Now, if we'd just spring for CEC, I'd sleep easier.
Some info on Lizzie, before she makes her debut in Portsmouth, later this month....
HMS Queen Elizabeth meets up with US carrier group off Scottish coast | Royal Navy
HMS Queen Elizabeth meets up with US carrier group off Scottish coast | Royal Navy
SpazSinbad
Active Member
Picture of part of the group sent via e-mail.
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Nice picture, the angle makes the QE seem almost as big as the US CVN.
SpazSinbad
Active Member
Royal Navy CVF comparo graphic with other large carriers.
This turned up in my face ache news feed today, from Navy News...
[nomedia]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47m6CqEnndw[/nomedia]
"GLIDING gracefully through Japan’s Kanmon Strait to Yokosuka for a brief pit stop, this is the second of four super-tankers built to support Britain’s Fleet of tomorrow.
RFA Tiderace has begun her epic six-week journey from South Korea to Falmouth – via Hawaii and the Panama Canal – to begin her conversion from 39,000-tonne tanker into 39,000-tonne military tanker.
All four ships in the Tide class – -spring, -race, -force and –surge – are being built at the DSME yard in Okpo-dong, before heading to the UK and the A&P yard in Falmouth to receive ‘plug and play’ weaponry such as Phalanx automated guns, secure communications and computer systems.
Once in service, she will provide fuel and other supplies to Britain’s new aircraft carriers – as well as the rest of the Fleet and NATO warships.
Of the quartet, Tidespring is on trials off the South Coast and Tideforce has recently begun her sea trials in South Korea.
Video courtesy of jinmei.jp"
[nomedia]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47m6CqEnndw[/nomedia]
"GLIDING gracefully through Japan’s Kanmon Strait to Yokosuka for a brief pit stop, this is the second of four super-tankers built to support Britain’s Fleet of tomorrow.
RFA Tiderace has begun her epic six-week journey from South Korea to Falmouth – via Hawaii and the Panama Canal – to begin her conversion from 39,000-tonne tanker into 39,000-tonne military tanker.
All four ships in the Tide class – -spring, -race, -force and –surge – are being built at the DSME yard in Okpo-dong, before heading to the UK and the A&P yard in Falmouth to receive ‘plug and play’ weaponry such as Phalanx automated guns, secure communications and computer systems.
Once in service, she will provide fuel and other supplies to Britain’s new aircraft carriers – as well as the rest of the Fleet and NATO warships.
Of the quartet, Tidespring is on trials off the South Coast and Tideforce has recently begun her sea trials in South Korea.
Video courtesy of jinmei.jp"
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Given the current situation on the Korean Peninsula, the sooner the other Tide class ships arrive the better. BTW, a great deal compared to Canada's decision to build AORs in Canada based on Germany's Berlin design.
& in other Lizzie news, she will OFFICIALLY enter Portsmouth for the 1st time on Wednesday, 16th August....
HMS Queen Elizabeth to arrive in Portsmouth
SA
Good news. Those in the 'hood might wish to mentally prepare for the boat's entry by generously self-medicating at the Sally Port pub before wandering over the the water for a lookee lookee.
Further, the strains and exhaustion of having witnessed the entry could require further self-medication later on.
Just sayin'
Update: Erk! Just Googled the Sally Port, and it seems the old girl is closed for a long tarting-up job. Right then, Pompey medicators will just have to find somewhere else.
Further, the strains and exhaustion of having witnessed the entry could require further self-medication later on.
Just sayin'
Update: Erk! Just Googled the Sally Port, and it seems the old girl is closed for a long tarting-up job. Right then, Pompey medicators will just have to find somewhere else.
That's actually a pretty good looking tanker
Good news. Those in the 'hood might wish to mentally prepare for the boat's entry by generously self-medicating at the Sally Port pub before wandering over the the water for a lookee lookee.
Further, the strains and exhaustion of having witnessed the entry could require further self-medication later on.
Just sayin'
As a further update, the 'self-medicators' will need to be up with the larks', as she arrives at 7.10 am !
No problem. There must be a late night boozer somewhere in Pompey. Just remember to stagger out at first light to see her faffing around in the Solent.
Sunrise 05.53.
Elsewhere this has been posted:
QHM Portsmouth movements sheet has the following for tomorrow.
0445 - Tugs to sea
0500 - Local Notice to Mariners 47/17 (QE Transit) in force.
0545 - EXPLOIT to sea.
0545 - QUEEN ELIZABETH proceeding from Nab to Outer Spit buoy with pilot and tug escort.
0615 - Main channel and small boat channel closed.
0645 - QUEEN ELIZABETH to proceed from Outer Spit Buoy to Princess Royal Jetty, bows north.
0730 - Small boat channel to reopen.
0815 - Main channel to reopen.
SpazSinbad
Active Member
Carrier Queen Elizabeth, Isle of Wight, due Pompey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbZLPQobdDM
HMS Queen Elizabeth: first entry into Portsmouth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-iCbfkJmSI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbZLPQobdDM
HMS Queen Elizabeth: first entry into Portsmouth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-iCbfkJmSI
No probs. Any early morning gunfire breakfast. Rum, bacon & eggs, baked beans & toast.
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