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OPSSG

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TNI Forces are working to stop the Islamic State in Central Africa Province in Congo

1. Taking a moment to remember a TNI hero killed in the service of peace, last year on 22 June 2020 — 2,700 TNI and Indonesian police are currently deployed in 9 UN Missions.

2. The interim mayor of Beni expressed his condolences to MONUSCO, to the various contingents and particularly to the Indonesian contingent. “We are very sad to see this peacekeeper fall in the battlefield, in search of peace for the population of this part of the country. This difficult moment is not only the time to mourn, but above all an opportunity to develop the appropriate response, for FARDC (Forces armées de la république démocratique du Congo) and the peacekeepers to honor the memory of their brother-in-arm who has left us in intensely painful conditions on his way to protect the population through contributing to building the bridge for them to cross the Hululu river”, underscored Modeste Bakwanamaha.

3. This Indonesian blue helmet was killed by armed men when he was returning from the reconstruction site of the Hululu bridge" which is of paramount importance for the populations in the area — he died as a result of a militia attack on Monday (22 June 2020), not far from the Semuliki bridge, on the road to Beni-Kasindi, the territory of Beni, North Kivu province — which is in the eastern part of the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC)

4. May the Islamic State in Central Africa Province (ISCAP) fighters, as killers of UN peacekeepers, be brought to justice. ISIS announced the launch of the ISCAP in April 2019 to promote the presence of ISIS associated elements within Central, East, and Southern Africa. Although ISIS-associated media portray ISCAP as a unified structure, ISIS-DRC and ISIS-Mozambique are distinct groups with distinct origins. ISIS-DRC, also known as the Allied Democratic Forces (ADF) and Madina at Tauheed Wau Mujahedeen, among other names, is responsible for many attacks across North Kivu and Ituri Provinces in eastern DRC. Under the leadership of Seka Musa Baluku, ISIS-DRC has been notorious in this region for its brutal violence against Congolese citizens and regional military forces.
(a) The DRC is fraught with political instability, armed clashes, and human rights violations. Conflict erupted in 2016 in the Kasai region, which includes five provinces in the center of the country. It is yet another instance of fighting between FARDC and splintered ethnic militias.​
(b) To make matters worse, in Jul 2019, the WHO has declared an Ebola outbreak in northeast DRC that began in August 2018 to be a public health emergency of international concern. This is the 10th outbreak of the deadly viral disease in the DRC since it was identified in the 1970s.​

5. The former Sergeant Major Rama Wahyudi died while carrying out his MONUSCO security mission in the eastern part of the DRC. He left a wife and three small children. Second Lieutenant Rama Wahyudi who died in Congo, was promoted and buried on 3 July 2020 in Kusuma Dharma Heroes Cemetery, Pekanbaru City, Riau.

6. Peacekeeping in the DRC is a dangerous job.
(a) In Mar 2021, Malawian peacekeepers of MONUSCO successfully fought off ADF terrorists, who, attacked 2 civilian trucks on Beni-Kasindi road, in the DRC. The peacekeepers stepped up patrols after evacuating one of the gunshot wounded drivers to their base.​
(b) In April 2021, 33 combatants surrendered to the TNI’s Rapid Deployment Battalion in Maimingi Village, of the DRC.​
 
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Sandhi Yudha

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Two brandnew Bell 412EPI helicopters are yesterday delivered to TNI-AD. Are these numbers 2 and 3 delivered this year or #3 & #4?
Edit: the answer is with Janes:
| "The rotorcraft, which are believed to be the fourth and fifth of the type to be handed over to the service, are part of a USD183 million contract signed with the Ministry of Defence in Jakarta in December 2018 for nine Bell 412EPI helicopters customised by PTDI to meet TNI-AD requirements.

The previous helicopters of the type were delivered to the Army Aviation Center's 11th Air Squadron. The first platform was handed over in December 2020 while the second and third were delivered in February this year." |

 
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Ananda

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Preparation on Garuda Shield 2021 as it will be the largest TNI-AD and US Army training regime so far. 4500+ personal from both Army with similar composition, will be involved in the training.

Put some image from Kris FB and you tube shown TNI-AD helicopters begin their night time operations in training, shown how the training provide ground for TNI-AD venue on mobile operations on latest trends.

The training conducted most on South Sumatra Baturaja training ground complex.


Considering the situation, all US personal that just come, conducted PCR testing. The same procedure also being done to TNI-AD personal that involves in the training. Besides the testing procedure, all personals also has been getting two doses of vaccines.


US Army equipment begin to arrive in South Sumatra port (from FB pages).
Add: Upps sorry, the equipment disembark video actually from 2019 Garuda Shield. Not yet find new video yet on 2021 Garuda Shield from their FB pages.

However considering the scale of this year Garuda Shield is bigger, it should have larger equipment contingent from US Army. Just like 2019, some of the equipment (as in photos above) still shown desert marking.
 
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ChestnutTree

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This is honestly pretty groundbreaking for me personally. Increased inter- cooperability with the US military is going to be a huge benefit not only in capability but also in the TNI AD work culture. The one thing that I hope the AD would take away from this exercise is the benefit of having a strong NCO corps when it comes to making tactical decisions. Right now the entire TNI in general has too many officers filling in slots that is much better suited for an NCO.

Also, it would be pretty nice if next year they would invite other partner forces in the region like the SAF and the ADF. Garuda Shield really has a good potential to be the benchmark exercise for the TNI, considering what they can learn and whom they can network.
 

OPSSG

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…if next year they would invite other partner forces in the region like the SAF and the ADF. Garuda Shield really has a good potential to be the benchmark exercise for the TNI, considering what they can learn and whom they can network.
If the TNI AD are really keen to add the SAF and ADF, Garuda Shield (in the years to come), will easily exceed Exercise Cobra Gold’s importance to the region. The problem seems to be a lack of strategic thinking in Indonesia — this SORT of EFFORT will be much more effective than paying US lobbyists.
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group
if... the TNI AD are really keen to add the SAF and ADF, Garuda Shield (in the years to come), will easily exceed Exercise Cobra Gold’s importance to the region.
Personally I'm more inclined to look at it, from Indonesia preferences on Geopolitical thinking than strategic ones. So far Indonesian Politics seems more prepared building bilateral training regime, then multilateral training ones.

TNI-AD conduct bilateral training regularly with SAF and ADF, and now up game their training regime with US Army. However I sense the Political circles not ready yet to build Multilateral games with US Army, SAF and ADF to avoid being seen as gang up against PLA.

There's no doubt PLA is in the mind of TNI and MinDef when doing this kind of training, especially with US. Will Indonesia participate more or up game the training regime with more Multilateral coalition in mind, I believe will depend on how SCS progressing.

For me to see how the mind of TNI and MinDef planners work, one of that is through looking to their future procurement pattern. When they (especially current MinDef) practically abandoning China and Russia procurement (as seems current patern looks like), it's already a massage enough.
 
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ChestnutTree

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TNI-AD conduct bilateral training regularly with SAF and ADF, and now up game their training regime with US Army. However I sense the Political circles not ready yet to build Multilateral games with US Army, SAF and ADF to avoid being seen as gang up against PLA.
I agree. But would you say that having a multilateral exercise once a year with 3 primary regional partners would be cheaper for them in the long run than having 3 separate bilateral exercises? If so, then the Ministry of Foreign Affairs could always argue from a cost standpoint. Also, wouldn't the point be mute since we already fairly regularly participate in RIMPAC?
 

Ananda

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But would you say that having a multilateral exercise once a year with 3 primary regional partners would be cheaper for them in the long run than having 3 separate bilateral exercises?
True, it will also provide better exposure to TNI (in this case the Army) on the logistical set up during regional coop. It will also provide better communication exposure during multilateral operation, and it will also provide better understanding during intense pressure, which that kind of excersise regime can provide. Thus on the perspective of merely looking for TNI strategic needs, off course it's provide better benefits.

However don't forgot there're those in Indonesia Political circles that,(well as I delicately can put it) 'friendly' with Chinese lobby and interest. There are those who behind the wall and media eyes, try to get MinDef on 'giving' China substantial defense contracts, in the name of 'balancing/diversification' strategy. Those factions still has some strong clouds especialy within 'ruling' parties.

This is all still my speculations based on how Indonesian Political circles behaving so far. Anti PRC Investment is getting more momentum now days due to Covid sentiments and also SCS issue. That's why I said, further 'negative' development in SCS can push Indonesia further on strategic defense coop with regional partners as a whole.

My point is, Indonesia so far doing step by step measures. Doing large scale bilateral exercise is one thing. Change that large scale bilateral exercise toward large scale multilateral exercise is another thing. Like I said, even now I'm sure Beijing already got the massage from Jakarta 'tilt' on defense procurement policies. Whether the 'tilt' will move more toward practicall regional defense tied up, is just another notch move.

Garuda Shield (in term of Indonesian participation) is much bigger then RIMPAC. Bigger participation on regional exercises like RIMPAC or Indonesia enlarge Garuda Shield on larger regional participations, is another 'notch' of massage to Beijing. I just read at this moment Indonesia still reserve the move, but at same time preparing the 'tilt' with larger bilateral exercise like this.
 

ChestnutTree

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However don't forgot there're those in Indonesia Political circles that,(well as I delicately can put it) 'friendly' with Chinese lobby and interest. There are those who behind the wall and media eyes, try to get MinDef on 'giving' China substantial defense contracts, in the name of 'balancing/diversification' strategy. Those factions still has some strong clouds especialy within 'ruling' parties.
Ah yes of course.

It's a bit of wishful thinking on my part but the way I see it, a multilateral exercise shouldn't really affect those vendors attempting to sell Chinese equipment to the MoD. If anything it would favor them as the budget that would have been used in separate bilateral exercises would be free up to be allocated to other things.

I'd say with how Chinese Foreign Policy has been treating it's 'potential allies' in the region (The Philippines and Malaysia for example) even after they attempted to get closer to Beijing, the MoD should reconsider making a new multilateral exercise by combining the existing ones or (if funds permit) creating a new series of exercises.
 

ChestnutTree

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So among the buzz of Garuda Shield, it seems that the TNI-AD is sending 100 personnel to Ft. Bragg for Airborne exercises and service networking. What's notable is that the 18-day exercise is supposed to end with a joint jump with US personnel in the Baturaja training range. I am somewhat surprised that they are increasing the frequency of training with their US counterparts.

I'm also surprised that the PRC has been relatively quiet about the recent exercises considering the scale.
 

FormerDirtDart

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So among the buzz of Garuda Shield, it seems that the TNI-AD is sending 100 personnel to Ft. Bragg for Airborne exercises and service networking. What's notable is that the 18-day exercise is supposed to end with a joint jump with US personnel in the Baturaja training range. I am somewhat surprised that they are increasing the frequency of training with their US counterparts.

I'm also surprised that the PRC has been relatively quiet about the recent exercises considering the scale.
Seems roughly a battalion task force from the 82nd's 2nd Brigade parachuted into Indonesia this past Wednesday. Deploying from Guam, where they had parachuted into a little over a week ago.
 

ChestnutTree

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Seems roughly a battalion task force from the 82nd's 2nd Brigade parachuted into Indonesia this past Wednesday. Deploying from Guam, where they had parachuted into a little over a week ago.
Oh I am aware, but the wording from the Antara news articles seems to imply that the one Andika Perkasa was talking about is a completely separate event from Garuda Shield. Which is why I am surprised that they are ramping up the number of exercises that they are doing this year.

Speaking of which, I came across this article as well.


What's funny to me is that this woman, whom is among the lobbyists that works in favor of particular interests groups in defense sales, was urging the government to pick US built equipment, but for the past few months have been persistently lobbying the government to purchase Chinese made equipment, and is now stating that General Andika Perkasa has to create similar bilateral exercises in the scale of Garuda Shield with Russia and China. Among other things, she cites that the TNI-AD should petition to train in NTC and Alaska with the US military.

Highlighting what @Ananda said about defense lobbyists, I would say she is a more extreme case when compared to A. Helvas.
 
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STURM

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I'm also surprised that the PRC has been relatively quiet about the recent exercises considering the scale.
Only 2 possibilities; the Chinese may have sent a private back channel protest to the Indonesian Foreign Ministry or given that Indonesia has long had military ties with the U.S. and that the exercise was not in an area which is disputed; probably just stayed silent.

The question is whether China is actually interested in enlarging the scope and frequency of bilateral exercises with ASEAN countries. Of the original ASEAN members Thailand (a non NATO U.S. ally) has the most extensive and longest defence relationship with China (if I’m not mistaken the only one with a bilateral air exercise) but still trains more extensively with the U.S. and other countries compared to with China.

Same with Malaysia; it trains more extensively and regularly with the U.S. and Australia; as well as other countries compared to with China. On top of that it engages in regular exchanges/contacts with various countries. To date it has only participated in a couple of table top exercises and a couple of HADR ones with China - driven by the symbolic political
value. Neither country - for slightly different reasons - is actually interested in taking things to a new level.

The question I’m interested in: of the original ASEAN members; how many send military people to attend the PLA’s staff college and other tertiary training institutions. For me this would be a sign.
 
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Ananda

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I'm also surprised that the PRC has been relatively quiet about the recent exercises considering the scale.
the past few months have been persistently lobbying the government to purchase Chinese made equipment, and is now stating that General Andika Perkasa has to create similar bilateral exercises in the scale of Garuda Shield with Russia and China.
Actually you already answered your own question. China will not going to complaint officially, but they will work with their 'proxy' in commercial and Political circles.

China's know that their image in Indonesian public is precarious right now due to SCS, Their Investment drive, but more importantly due to COVID (well the last one basically nearly world wide now). Japan and Korean only bring their senior managers on their Investment, while China bring workers/line supervisors. This not bode well toward Image of Chinese Investment. For that they will work with their 'proxy' to build counter image building.

Why she change her tone for toward more pro PRC assets lately ? Well she's local defense analysts, which mean she is basically a defense broker. She's just like any defense analysts in Indonesia, will talk to where their bread and butter coming from. Remember she's also that lately talk and lobby to MinDef to change the F-16V procurement toward J-10C. That's seems where her bread and butter coming in lately.

how many send military people to attend the PLA’s staff college and other tertiary training institutions. For me this would be a sign.
My guess's perhaps you should also check Thailand. Even then I bet it's still minuscule compared to officers that study in US and West. I read in some few years article (hasn't found online version yet), that there're few Indonesian officers also attending short course in PLA's school. Still it's miniscule compare the mid rank officers that being send to US, UK, or Australia. Let alone most tertiary overseas degree coming from US. If you see the CV of most senior brass especially in Army, they got some degree or Specialised course in US or UK. Even during East Timor conundrum, some of them still being send there.

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China's knows well that they have to give something that Indonesia has difficulty to get from the West. This to help their 'proxy' friends on helping 'score' defense procurement. Like area of Missiles tech and UCAV. That's from what I heard why Prabowo's hired DC Lobbyist. Getting more access to area that before US seems put barrier to Indonesia. More missiles for example need more guarantee from DC circles on future supplies access.
 
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Ananda

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Kaplan seems doing some substantial works with the front section of their Joint Project Medium Tank with Pindad. Seems the rumours that TNI-AD not happy with test results on driving position and driver feasibility was right.
 

Ananda

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According to this Shepard article FNSS told them in Turkish IDEF 2021 defense Expo, that they and Pindad already got confirmation of more order for this Medium Tank.

Local media so far only quote MinDef sources that confirm 18 order. However according to this it will be 18 for this year, 52 in 2022, 19 in 2023, and 17 in 2024. That makes 106 total, something that more than enough to fill two battalion of Tanks under TNI-AD standard Tanks/Cavalry battalion strength.
 

Arji

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Local media so far only quote MinDef sources that confirm 18 order. However according to this it will be 18 for this year, 52 in 2022, 19 in 2023, and 17 in 2024. That makes 106 total, something that more than enough to fill two battalion of Tanks under TNI-AD standard Tanks/Cavalry battalion strength.
That's actually a good news if confirmed. I read from an indomiliter article that for the first batch, 10 will be built in Turkey, and 8 in Indonesia. The article didn't mention the rest of the order though.
 

Ananda

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I read from an indomiliter article that for the first batch, 10 will be built in Turkey, and 8 in Indonesia. The article didn't mention the rest of the order though.
The Shepard article put FNSS source that most of the production will be done by Pindad as license manufacturing holder. Yes the local sources talk about the 18 order (which this article talk as first batch) will be build divide 10 in FNSS and 8 in Pindad.

Seems Pindad will progressively take more manufacturing stage after that. Not surprising since TNI-AD so far is the only customers. Guess FNSS will be more content to let Pindad taking over more production, as no order yet that coming for this Medium Tank from other Army.
 
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