Su-34 Completes Testing

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And Su 34 is not an equivalent to the F 15 E. It is a better tactical strike aircraft compared to the F 15E, itself trying to take over the role of the veteren F111.
It's got very little to do with a platform to platform comparison.

It's got everything to do with mission capabilities relative to a nations airpower doctrine..

also the F-15E is not a replacement for the F-111 mission set - the F-111's employment was relatively niche and against the doctrine for threat identified at that time during it's time in service.

one can also argue that PGM's, SLGM's etc also replace some of the F-111 capabilities.
 

Feanor

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Just like the Su-34 is not a replacement of the Su-24M in terms of the actual aircraft. It's a strike fighter, not a tactical bomber.
 

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Russian under Putin administration consider offensive asset as a secondary needs.

Russian focus more on defensive asset and balistics system. Developing SAM system seem to be 1st objective of Russian Military.
 

nevidimka

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Just like the Su-34 is not a replacement of the Su-24M in terms of the actual aircraft. It's a strike fighter, not a tactical bomber.
Hmm.. I thought the Su 34 was build to replace the aging Su 24? Both are tactical bombers with similar operating profile and the Su 34 better off in all parameters.
 

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Nice find Havaarla. The pod does look interesting, although I dont understand why the window is separated into 2 parts?

And Su 34 is not an equivalent to the F 15 E. It is a better tactical strike aircraft compared to the F 15E, itself trying to take over the role of the veteren F111.

Some more stuff on that UOMZ Sapsan/Sapsan-E targeting pod:

http://www.janes.com/extracts/extract/jeos/jeosa027.html

Here is some material from another forum:

"At present on UOMZ are passed tests or a whole series of container systems is located on different stages of development. One of them - "sapsan-E" is intended for the export deliveries. This container repeatedly was demonstrated on the international exhibitions in 2001-2003.

System "sapsan" is placed in the suspension cylindrical container, which is hung up on the wingtip or subfuselage pylons of destroyers of the type Su-30 and MiG-29. The tests of container it is planned/glided to complete toward the end 2004. At present are conducted its flight tests on multipurpose destroyers of the type "Su" and "MiG".

In the opinion of experts, the creation of container "sapsan" and the equipment with it of Russian combat aircraft of the type Su-3O and MiG-29 will increase their export potential, beginning with 2005-2006.

Container "sapsan-E", developed by specialists UOMZ, contains in its composition the complete set of channels, provides twenty-four hour high-precision guidance to the target of the controlled weapon in all flight conditions of carrier aircraft and at distances of the application of the controlled weapon.

Technical characteristics of container "sapsan-E"

Field of view, deg:

on the angle of elevation
+ 10-150

along the azimuth
180

along the bank
180

Range of operating temperatures, s
-60 50

Overall dimensions, mm
360x3000

Mass of container, kg
250


The design features of container and the technical solutions placed in it make it possible to flexibly change the composition *of ka¬nalov for guaranteeing the characteristics used, assigned by technical task.

After the completion of testing and certification the container *"sapsan-E" can be exported, first of all, to those countries, which are already armed with the parks of multipurpose Russian destroyers of the type Su-30MK, capable of acting on the earth/ground. This, first of all China, which already acquired 76 destroyers Su-30MKK and will obtain 24 additional destroyers Su-30MK2, and also India, where set 22 destroyers Su-30MKI and prior to the end of the present year will be exported 10 additional aircraft of this type. Furthermore, in India up to 2014 it will be produced on the license 140 destroyers Su-30MKI and for the next two years are finished in the version Su-30MKI 18 previously destroyers presented Su-zOK. Thus, during the next 10 years in China it can be claimed- to 80 Sapsan-E containers, and in India - to 160 containers of this type.

It is necessary to also consider that the carriers of container *"sapsan-E" can be the aircraft MiG-23K with the extended action functions on the earth/ground, and also other modernized versions MiG-29. This circumstance contributes to the formation of initial demand in Asia for the Russian sighting and navigation containers, whose output/yield for the world market occurred with the considerable delay."
 

Haavarla

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Hmm.. I thought the Su 34 was build to replace the aging Su 24? Both are tactical bombers with similar operating profile and the Su 34 better off in all parameters.

Well.. The Su-34 was conceived as a fighter-bomber, hence its prototype designation Su-27IB, where IB stands for Istrebitel-Bombardirovshchik(fighter-bomber). It got renamed Su-34 back in 1994. Hower, flight trials soon demonstrated the limited air-combat capability of this 45-ton heavy aircraft and it's now classified as a "Tactical bomber".

Hmm.. i hope i didn't add to the confusion here? :)

The primary task is attacking ground targets several hundred miles behind the forward edge of the battle front in the face of a strong anti-aircraft defences.
The Fullback can carry 8 tons of ordinance on 12 pylons and has a low-level mission radius of 323nm(600km) and 609nm(1130km) at high altitude.

There has been no external changes worth mention to the airframe since the second prototype "43" flew in december 1993. Although the avionics have been upgraded several times during this period. And the Engine too from AL-31F to AL-31FM(144.5kN).
 
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Feanor

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Russian under Putin administration consider offensive asset as a secondary needs.

Russian focus more on defensive asset and balistics system. Developing SAM system seem to be 1st objective of Russian Military.
No. The focus has been broad weapons development across the entire spectrum. Ballistic missiles, ICBMs in particular, have actually been the focus, with the Topol-M road-mobile and silo variants, being produced serially.
 

Haavarla

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One thing that left me puzzled is how heavy the Su-34 is with its 45 tons. Thats an extra 9 compared to the F-15E 36.
Yeah, that would be the 12.100kg internal fuel tanks and the fact that the Su-34 is partial armoured with Titanium from anti-air guns and such.
At least in the forward canopy section AFAIK.
Heavier AL-31MF engine and some bad ass upgraded landing gear!:)

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/su34/su343.html
 

Feanor

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Now we have a confirmation. The first (no specifics on how many) Su-34 have been delivered to the VVS. It says that it has been delivered to the troops. I'm assuming this is the 355th BAP in Voronezh, which there were rumors about earlier. I'll try to find more sources.

http://arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=66277&cid=25

EDIT: Warfare.ru claims that 10 have been delivered to Lipetsk, and other testing centers for flight tests in 2007.

http://warfare.ru/?lang=&catid=257&...SU-34/32FN-Fullback-Long-range-fighter-bomber

If they're correct, then working in some production numbers from 2008 it's not impossible to see the first squadron accept their aircraft this year.
 

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Yep that's good news for Ru Frontier AirForces. He also mentions (Zelin) that all Su-24 (of all types) will be replaced with SU-34 in "nearst perspective" - what does this means in time counting I don't know? but may be there is a place for hope that 3-5 years (just hope, nothing more)
"Первые самолеты Су-34 поступили в войска в этом году и в ближайшей перспективе почти все части, оснащенные самолетами Су-24, будут перевооружены на новый авиакомплекс", - сказал главком.
EDIT but I doubt that ALL SU-24 could be replaced - too much money TOOOOO MUCH
 
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Feanor

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Do you have any other sources regarding these deliveries to the troops?
 

Haavarla

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EDIT: Warfare.ru claims that 10 have been delivered to Lipetsk, and other testing centers for flight tests in 2007.

http://warfare.ru/?lang=&catid=257&...SU-34/32FN-Fullback-Long-range-fighter-bomber

If they're correct, then working in some production numbers from 2008 it's not impossible to see the first squadron accept their aircraft this year.

Is this the latest news..?

2006 Production No. 01 Su-34 was delivered from NAPO to test center Lipetsk.

Late 2007 Production No. 02 Su-34 was delivered from NAPO to test center Lipetsk.

If they finaly have been released and delivered to the VVS, then thums up:)


Now regarding the 10 new Su-34 currently beeing build at NAPO, i don't really see any clear source on when these Fullback will leave NAPO for test trials..

I hope it will be in late 2009, but hey!
Delays from NAPO have happen before..:(
 

Feanor

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This is the latest news according to warfare.ru

They are generally fairly accurate about these things so I'm inclined to believe that something has happened. I can't find any other sources.
 

Feanor

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It could. If 10 were indeed delivered, then there would have to be a bort number 03 plane. Could you link to the page where you found this picture (as opposed to linking to the picture itself)? Thank you.
 
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