Sixth Generation Fighter
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SlyDog You make a very valid point, speed is the key. I'll tell you something for nothing now - Half our pilots here in the Royal Saudi Air Force, know that they are already replaced by robots. The Un-Manned Air Combat Vehicle Technology already comming off the production line is fantastic. We're live deploying it to Iraq and Afghanistan. Our war is over, as we speak, Bin Laden is being chased by robots.
If it's on wheels/tracks from Sweden; we'll fund, develop and sell it. BV206, CV109 - in the meantime, your part of a global defence network xxx
I know one liners are out but what bought this onSlyDog:FulloFShItI Hope your BV206 breAKS Down, aND THe Royal MARines TURn Up._
Yeah, i agree Alexa, i cant see how this even remotely contribute to anything, Sixth Generation Fighter or otherwise.
back to topic: when an attack aircraft cant be seen until within 20 km, you can drop a bomb at that range for christ sake!
With some planning, you can make an co-ordinated pre-emptive strike against all the other folks airbases, and you mite just be lucky enuff that noone even know it was you. "wasnt me, twas Al Queda/Jews/[Insert convenient scapegoat]"
Will there be an 6 gen fighter ? for what possible purpose ? they cant do anything cept being a target when they light up their radar in an futile attempt to see anything.
Anyone: convince me why i would waste a single $ on a fighter today, not even the much touted F22 can do anything but watching their bases and homeland being bombed into rubble.
back to topic: when an attack aircraft cant be seen until within 20 km, you can drop a bomb at that range for christ sake!
With some planning, you can make an co-ordinated pre-emptive strike against all the other folks airbases, and you mite just be lucky enuff that noone even know it was you. "wasnt me, twas Al Queda/Jews/[Insert convenient scapegoat]"
Will there be an 6 gen fighter ? for what possible purpose ? they cant do anything cept being a target when they light up their radar in an futile attempt to see anything.
Anyone: convince me why i would waste a single $ on a fighter today, not even the much touted F22 can do anything but watching their bases and homeland being bombed into rubble.
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It seems to be hard to combine all good caracteristics in one and the same engine. But by the time its mayby possible to find an acceptable compromise, how knows.
Behaps a more "non-compromise" approach will be used for military purpose.
Grand Danois
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I discarded the idea of making a sticky on the topic of stealth, but at least wanted to share this excellent paper on the topic.
Analogues of Stealth
Some may find the conclusions very "pro-VLO".
Analogues of Stealth
Some may find the conclusions very "pro-VLO".
There might be another similarity aswell: submarine warfare is often described as "a knife-fight in a telephone box" where both are likely to get torpedoed.
With ultra-long range AAM's, noone will want to light up their radar, as it will signal their presence, and result in getting shot at. So detection will be at close range, with either IR or visual. (My hunch is passive IR sensors and IR signature reduction will be the primary concern.)
Now with HMD and missiles with a 270 degree engagement envelope you dont need to even have your plane pointed at the other plane, perhaps when a missile is detected, a countermissile will be fired in that direction, much like a torpedo is fired back in the direction of attack.
forget what i said about helmet mounted display! noone in their right mind would want to sit in a plane under these circumstances.
It will have to be unmanned.
With ultra-long range AAM's, noone will want to light up their radar, as it will signal their presence, and result in getting shot at. So detection will be at close range, with either IR or visual. (My hunch is passive IR sensors and IR signature reduction will be the primary concern.)
Now with HMD and missiles with a 270 degree engagement envelope you dont need to even have your plane pointed at the other plane, perhaps when a missile is detected, a countermissile will be fired in that direction, much like a torpedo is fired back in the direction of attack.
forget what i said about helmet mounted display! noone in their right mind would want to sit in a plane under these circumstances.
It will have to be unmanned.
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It's hard to get a lock on a modern military radar, even non-AESA. They don't transmit continuously at a single frequency, to make it easy for you. Detecting a transmission is not enough to identify it as coming from a hostile radar, & identifying the radar is not enough to locate it as a target. You need to be able to identify it, locate it and track it, while it is (as part of its normal functioning) doing lots of fancy stuff to make all those things difficult.
I'm assuming with networking, such as TIDLS and similar, it will be instantly obvious if its your buddies or not that are emitting, i'm also assuming they will triangle it in a matter of seconds.
I can agree tho that whoever neutral emitting here get to pay for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.
I'm also assuming all gen 4.5 up has the same stuff.
I can agree tho that whoever neutral emitting here get to pay for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Thanks for the link Grand Danois. I thinking about how to combine stealth and good aerodynamics. I wonder - its mayby possible to use material which are "complitly" transparent or very "absorbitive" (?) in regard to radiowaves. This material is than applied in such way that the aeroplane have "two diffrent shape". One in regard to radar, an "another shapes" to get better aerodynamic characteristics.
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I thinking about the VLO-consept and how it might effect on other things. Lets say "all" participators in a war are using VLO-platform. It would possibly end in a situation there target tracking never can be done on long distanse. It should have some impact on the armament...or?
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Through sensor fusion this can be countered to an extent, AN/ALR-67(V)3/4 on the F/A-18E/F can cue the AN/APG 79 on to the source even if its fleeting. I'm sure the same will be possible for the IRSTr to be intergrated.
Use of LADAR or LIDAR might be used for air fighter of 6th generation behaps?
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