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I dont know. Maybe they wont.
You can of course enlist on Russian army and go fight for your country. Or wait for the Martial Law to be declared.
But they are planning it anyhow.
Its the Poles, they are crazy. At least one of them, anyhow. But no matter how you start to think about it, it starts to seem like a good idea.
You know, they never actually forgave you for assasinating most of their leadership.
But why did you not conquer Finland while they were still not on NATO. It would have been easy for you. When the thing starts, they will most likely participate.
NATO, is conquering you. Including the United States.
And your government will launch drones or missiles on their territory, for them to invoke the clause and to be written in history as an act of self defense. They will, even they would not.
It is historic times. And i am glad to be alive on seeing this happen.
As you have already stated in here, you cannot produce military equipment on a scale that is sufficient. You have bottlenecks.
The only thing that needs still to be answered is your Nuclear Arsenal. And it will be answered soon.
You are speaking of World War. This will not be one. It will only be NATO vs Russia alone and depending do they betray you or not, North Korea. China will be given the Asian part of Russia for not interfering, not yet promised. And China will become the largest country in the world by land mass.
There are many people talking this now. On certain circles. They are seeing an opportunity. Russia is crumbling and conquering Russia have never been as easy as it will be soon. There are many people who have waited for their whole life for this moment, for Russia to weaken and be ready to be conquered. Their lifes work.
You can of course enlist on Russian army and go fight for your country. Or wait for the Martial Law to be declared.
But they are planning it anyhow.
Its the Poles, they are crazy. At least one of them, anyhow. But no matter how you start to think about it, it starts to seem like a good idea.
You know, they never actually forgave you for assasinating most of their leadership.
But why did you not conquer Finland while they were still not on NATO. It would have been easy for you. When the thing starts, they will most likely participate.
NATO, is conquering you. Including the United States.
And your government will launch drones or missiles on their territory, for them to invoke the clause and to be written in history as an act of self defense. They will, even they would not.
It is historic times. And i am glad to be alive on seeing this happen.
As you have already stated in here, you cannot produce military equipment on a scale that is sufficient. You have bottlenecks.
The only thing that needs still to be answered is your Nuclear Arsenal. And it will be answered soon.
You are speaking of World War. This will not be one. It will only be NATO vs Russia alone and depending do they betray you or not, North Korea. China will be given the Asian part of Russia for not interfering, not yet promised. And China will become the largest country in the world by land mass.
There are many people talking this now. On certain circles. They are seeing an opportunity. Russia is crumbling and conquering Russia have never been as easy as it will be soon. There are many people who have waited for their whole life for this moment, for Russia to weaken and be ready to be conquered. Their lifes work.
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Just so I'm clear, you're arguing that Russia will run out of money and get conquered by Poland?
No, NATO.
Money wont relate. But it is one of the functions, yes. Economical woes to be happening to Russia in the future. One of the things to be waiting for.
But in the end yes. In my understanding, Poland would be strong enough to conquer Russia alone, if they so wish.
I would suggest to leave now while you can.
Money wont relate. But it is one of the functions, yes. Economical woes to be happening to Russia in the future. One of the things to be waiting for.
But in the end yes. In my understanding, Poland would be strong enough to conquer Russia alone, if they so wish.
I would suggest to leave now while you can.
You posted long and passionately in another thread that money was irrelevant and not necessary for the making of weapons ....
That is right. But the Russians seem to think that money is very relevant. So the moment their economy goes bad, they might be quite distressed about it.
There are also many factors that wont change regardless, do you use money in your system or not.
For example, if your industrial facilities, acquiring of raw materials or so is disturbed. Your manufacturing stops. And in a system that is built upon money, which most of the systems are. You then are left with deficit while you use money to rebuild your infrastructure.
Russian use money for many kind of things. One of them is buying soldiers or military equipment.
Especially, if their own industrial capacity is being destroyed, the possibility to acquire assets from foreign sources becomes important.
In all actuality, Russians in the past used to unload their money on Finland. And now Finland is in trade deficit when they made the sanctions. Russian economy was one of the factors that floated Finnish economy, and now that it dont, Finnish trade balance is pushed to deficit. Russian trade was the most important thing to Finland economically, and now its nonexistent. Its good for Russia of course, but bad for Finland. Their people used to jump into car at weekend, drive to Finland from places like Viaborg or St. Petersburg. Load the car full of Finnish products, and then drive back to Russia to distribute it to other Russians. They used to buy houses from Finland as summer cottages. Finnish people who lived near the border on the other hand, used to take their car, drive to Russia and load their car with cheap Fuel with some extra canisters.
But just you see. I will make you support Russian attack on Ukraine. I will make you donate your money to Russian Army. And i will make you enlist on the Russian army as an foreign mercenary, to sacrifice your life for the cause.
But there is this kind of loop to be had in a monetary system when certain factors are present. Then there is the reign of terror. That because Russian position is upheld with fear. There are many actors that are waiting them to weaken. For example, they have minorities inside their own territories who want to become independent. They have neighboring countries also other than Ukraine, where Russia helds their territories as hostage. And so on. There is also Turkey, which aims to control the Black Sea area and has a solid narrative to "liberate" the Turkish origin people inside Russia in the similar way, than Russia is "liberating" people in Donbass region.
There is a lot of problems that will start to pile up the moment Russian Army is starting to become weaker and people lose their fear. And because Russians use money to also upheld this fear, the economy is very important factor for them to keep their army strong enough to be used to intimidate.
This can also be seen on how NATO is acting. They are now basically reversing the situation Russia had at the early stages of the war. The rules of conflict are shifting all the time to Ukraines favor. Russia started from a position that you can only attack Russian troops who are inside Ukrainian territory, so they used their own territory to pummel Ukrainians so that they cannot shoot back. Then the rules shifted, and Ukraine started to hit on Russian territory. Then it was supposed to be, that you cannot put boots on Russian territory, that its a no go. Then they did that and now its a solid to invade Russian territories and the new rule of conflict. And now they are in a reverse position, where Ukraine can pummel Russian infrastructure all they want, and Russian cannot, because Ukrainian military production have been shifted inside NATO territory, and the rules of conflict at the moment are, that you cannot hit NATO territory. So Russian industry, and especially military industry is being pummeled at escalating force, and no one is touching the ifnrastructure that is building the force that is pummeling them. It does not look very good on Russia anymore. And this is all without US doing anything. The moment US starts to support Ukraine again, the balance shifts even further. There is no one to actually Support Russia. They gain their support trough terror and fear, and then with money. Ukraine gains their support by free will.
You actually thought Crimea will go to Ukraine ? Well, the Ukrainians might. But there are other factors as well.
www.aljazeera.com
They are trying their hardest to get any other people but actual Russians to fight their wars. They use terror tactics, money. Anything imaginable to gain people on the front line and keep their own citizens away from it. But in the end, it only goes so far, people are starting to learn their tricks and avoid Russia and they must mobilize. And when actual Russian citizens start to die more and more, Russian infrastructure starts to be hit more and more, their economical situation worsens, their adversaries grow bolder and bolder, and the thing only escalates and then can, spiral out of control. People start to demand change, and are then beaten down by their own government to uphold the terror in their own citizens. The pressure among Russian population will be enormous. Everyone knows someone who have either died or injured in the recent drone attacks, and everywhere you go, there are destroyed or damaged infrastructure. You go sleep knowing, that it might be the last time you do, as some random drone strike hit your home. It builds stress in your society, and goes out of your own comfort zone. Russia would very much like the original rules of conflict, that they cannot be hit, and they are the only ones doing the hitting. But that is not reality anymore.
I can tell you this. To join in a NATO attack on Ukraine, people demand things. They demand territories. And no one have them more than Russia. And the moment their military crumbles, its basically free picking. Russia is locked in an endless army loop, where the casualties only mount up, they cannot hit the opposing side that is actually hitting them trough Ukraine, and more time goes by, the worse it gets for Russia possibly even resulting on a complete collapse. And a possible distributing of their territories for the fastest one to acquire them. Some from the inside, some from the outside.
Kalingrad, is going to Poland. Crimea and Kaukasus area, is going to Turkey. And so.
People are actually already distributing Russian territories in a mind set, that they have already lost.
They are putting up a brave front, and never have any problems if you ask them. But what will actually happen might be quite different on what they say.
It is also so. That once you have sacrificed this much, you are ready to sacrifice more. There is this strange psychological factor in humans. The more you have sacrificed, the more you are willing to sacrifice so that what you already have sacrificed would not be for nothing. So the more Russia loses, the more they will lose and continue doing so. They somehow think, that there is some kind of end where they win, and all the sacrifices are justified. There is not. All of the sacrifices will be in vain, and it will only bring more ruin.
The war creeps to their civil society, and will engulf them all. And THEY are the ones, who make this decision.
When the symptoms are starting to be seen in the normal civil society. They will think that things were so good in the past, and why everything sucks so much now. They might not understand why this is happening, or why they must suffer. They barely have money for everything anymore, prices are up, salaries are down. Destruction rains down from the sky on a daily basis on escalating attacks that only grow stronger. The commodities and medicines dry up because the factories are destroyed. Oil refining capacity is compromised. Fuel prices go up. There is no more to export. And so on. Then becomes the borrowing loop, that you must endlessly import to provide your citizens, and you have no money to pay for it. Which might even end up causing hyper inflation.
This wont relate to money. This would happen either way because your capacity to produce is compromised and your people are dying in droves.
If you want to be really evil, you can compromise their food production. Burn their crops and food processing capabilities, so then becomes the famine. A payback for causing Holodomor, if you will.
They could hit Russia now way way harder than they are. And in the future, they are. Because the rules of conflict allows this, and Russia accepts it.
It is a sad thing. But it is happening and it is not a good time to be a Russian (or Ukrainian) subject. I suggest you leave. The things will only get worse and your leadership is obsessed. There is a carrot in front of them, which they will never have.
It wont look good on you. It wont look good on Ukraine either. But as you would guess, they dont much care. You would guess they are angry. They want to drag you trough the same, than you are dragging them. And they do have the means for it because they are backed by the strongest Military Alliance in the world, NATO. Who also happen to have their own designs for Russia and have waited for this for a LOOOOONG time.
Come on now. Lets see you ensliting in Russian army and stop reading internet. You wont, because you never will. They must force you, and drag you there against your will. And then, would you take even one step back, your own officers will shoot you in the back. You want others to die for Russia, but not you.
Come on now. Imagine your new life. There are explosions everywhere, you are running in Donbas when Ukrainian drones are hunting you. And if you wont, your own will kill you. You miss that hit with your shotgun and you will be blown to pieces.
Leave while you can. Or die for your country. Choose.
There is no victory to be had.
There are also many factors that wont change regardless, do you use money in your system or not.
For example, if your industrial facilities, acquiring of raw materials or so is disturbed. Your manufacturing stops. And in a system that is built upon money, which most of the systems are. You then are left with deficit while you use money to rebuild your infrastructure.
Russian use money for many kind of things. One of them is buying soldiers or military equipment.
Especially, if their own industrial capacity is being destroyed, the possibility to acquire assets from foreign sources becomes important.
In all actuality, Russians in the past used to unload their money on Finland. And now Finland is in trade deficit when they made the sanctions. Russian economy was one of the factors that floated Finnish economy, and now that it dont, Finnish trade balance is pushed to deficit. Russian trade was the most important thing to Finland economically, and now its nonexistent. Its good for Russia of course, but bad for Finland. Their people used to jump into car at weekend, drive to Finland from places like Viaborg or St. Petersburg. Load the car full of Finnish products, and then drive back to Russia to distribute it to other Russians. They used to buy houses from Finland as summer cottages. Finnish people who lived near the border on the other hand, used to take their car, drive to Russia and load their car with cheap Fuel with some extra canisters.
But just you see. I will make you support Russian attack on Ukraine. I will make you donate your money to Russian Army. And i will make you enlist on the Russian army as an foreign mercenary, to sacrifice your life for the cause.
But there is this kind of loop to be had in a monetary system when certain factors are present. Then there is the reign of terror. That because Russian position is upheld with fear. There are many actors that are waiting them to weaken. For example, they have minorities inside their own territories who want to become independent. They have neighboring countries also other than Ukraine, where Russia helds their territories as hostage. And so on. There is also Turkey, which aims to control the Black Sea area and has a solid narrative to "liberate" the Turkish origin people inside Russia in the similar way, than Russia is "liberating" people in Donbass region.
There is a lot of problems that will start to pile up the moment Russian Army is starting to become weaker and people lose their fear. And because Russians use money to also upheld this fear, the economy is very important factor for them to keep their army strong enough to be used to intimidate.
This can also be seen on how NATO is acting. They are now basically reversing the situation Russia had at the early stages of the war. The rules of conflict are shifting all the time to Ukraines favor. Russia started from a position that you can only attack Russian troops who are inside Ukrainian territory, so they used their own territory to pummel Ukrainians so that they cannot shoot back. Then the rules shifted, and Ukraine started to hit on Russian territory. Then it was supposed to be, that you cannot put boots on Russian territory, that its a no go. Then they did that and now its a solid to invade Russian territories and the new rule of conflict. And now they are in a reverse position, where Ukraine can pummel Russian infrastructure all they want, and Russian cannot, because Ukrainian military production have been shifted inside NATO territory, and the rules of conflict at the moment are, that you cannot hit NATO territory. So Russian industry, and especially military industry is being pummeled at escalating force, and no one is touching the ifnrastructure that is building the force that is pummeling them. It does not look very good on Russia anymore. And this is all without US doing anything. The moment US starts to support Ukraine again, the balance shifts even further. There is no one to actually Support Russia. They gain their support trough terror and fear, and then with money. Ukraine gains their support by free will.
You actually thought Crimea will go to Ukraine ? Well, the Ukrainians might. But there are other factors as well.
Captured Tajik tells of life on Ukraine frontlines alongside Russian forces
Russia and Ukraine have swapped thousands of PoWs, but Mohammed* says he would rather fight alongside Kyiv than go home.
They are trying their hardest to get any other people but actual Russians to fight their wars. They use terror tactics, money. Anything imaginable to gain people on the front line and keep their own citizens away from it. But in the end, it only goes so far, people are starting to learn their tricks and avoid Russia and they must mobilize. And when actual Russian citizens start to die more and more, Russian infrastructure starts to be hit more and more, their economical situation worsens, their adversaries grow bolder and bolder, and the thing only escalates and then can, spiral out of control. People start to demand change, and are then beaten down by their own government to uphold the terror in their own citizens. The pressure among Russian population will be enormous. Everyone knows someone who have either died or injured in the recent drone attacks, and everywhere you go, there are destroyed or damaged infrastructure. You go sleep knowing, that it might be the last time you do, as some random drone strike hit your home. It builds stress in your society, and goes out of your own comfort zone. Russia would very much like the original rules of conflict, that they cannot be hit, and they are the only ones doing the hitting. But that is not reality anymore.
I can tell you this. To join in a NATO attack on Ukraine, people demand things. They demand territories. And no one have them more than Russia. And the moment their military crumbles, its basically free picking. Russia is locked in an endless army loop, where the casualties only mount up, they cannot hit the opposing side that is actually hitting them trough Ukraine, and more time goes by, the worse it gets for Russia possibly even resulting on a complete collapse. And a possible distributing of their territories for the fastest one to acquire them. Some from the inside, some from the outside.
Kalingrad, is going to Poland. Crimea and Kaukasus area, is going to Turkey. And so.
People are actually already distributing Russian territories in a mind set, that they have already lost.
They are putting up a brave front, and never have any problems if you ask them. But what will actually happen might be quite different on what they say.
It is also so. That once you have sacrificed this much, you are ready to sacrifice more. There is this strange psychological factor in humans. The more you have sacrificed, the more you are willing to sacrifice so that what you already have sacrificed would not be for nothing. So the more Russia loses, the more they will lose and continue doing so. They somehow think, that there is some kind of end where they win, and all the sacrifices are justified. There is not. All of the sacrifices will be in vain, and it will only bring more ruin.
The war creeps to their civil society, and will engulf them all. And THEY are the ones, who make this decision.
When the symptoms are starting to be seen in the normal civil society. They will think that things were so good in the past, and why everything sucks so much now. They might not understand why this is happening, or why they must suffer. They barely have money for everything anymore, prices are up, salaries are down. Destruction rains down from the sky on a daily basis on escalating attacks that only grow stronger. The commodities and medicines dry up because the factories are destroyed. Oil refining capacity is compromised. Fuel prices go up. There is no more to export. And so on. Then becomes the borrowing loop, that you must endlessly import to provide your citizens, and you have no money to pay for it. Which might even end up causing hyper inflation.
This wont relate to money. This would happen either way because your capacity to produce is compromised and your people are dying in droves.
If you want to be really evil, you can compromise their food production. Burn their crops and food processing capabilities, so then becomes the famine. A payback for causing Holodomor, if you will.
They could hit Russia now way way harder than they are. And in the future, they are. Because the rules of conflict allows this, and Russia accepts it.
It is a sad thing. But it is happening and it is not a good time to be a Russian (or Ukrainian) subject. I suggest you leave. The things will only get worse and your leadership is obsessed. There is a carrot in front of them, which they will never have.
It wont look good on you. It wont look good on Ukraine either. But as you would guess, they dont much care. You would guess they are angry. They want to drag you trough the same, than you are dragging them. And they do have the means for it because they are backed by the strongest Military Alliance in the world, NATO. Who also happen to have their own designs for Russia and have waited for this for a LOOOOONG time.
Come on now. Lets see you ensliting in Russian army and stop reading internet. You wont, because you never will. They must force you, and drag you there against your will. And then, would you take even one step back, your own officers will shoot you in the back. You want others to die for Russia, but not you.
Come on now. Imagine your new life. There are explosions everywhere, you are running in Donbas when Ukrainian drones are hunting you. And if you wont, your own will kill you. You miss that hit with your shotgun and you will be blown to pieces.
Leave while you can. Or die for your country. Choose.
There is no victory to be had.
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KipPotapych
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A very good piece from Kirill Shamiev with self-explanatory title:
www.kennaninstitute.org
Author’s comment:
To Leave or Not to Leave: How Russian Technocrats Undermined Western Efforts to Isolate Russia — Kennan Institute
In 2022, after Russia invaded Ukraine, the West’s concerted policy was to isolate the Russian economy and to ensure that Western companies left the country. In practice, a legal exit and an economic exit have proven to be two different things.
www.kennaninstitute.org
Author’s comment:
Just want to mention. One of the reasons western companies left and sold their property in Russia is, that Russia is a sovereign country, and can do whatever they want on any property that reside within a territory they control. Meaning, if they want to just steal your property that reside in their territory, they can. And they have done so. Meaning, many of the companies feared that Russian Government will steal their property inside Russia, and sold them. No Company was forced to leave Russia, they made this decision on themself. Not all companies left, and some left only later than others. They did so on their own choise.
This applies to any other country also, not only Russia. If Russians invest or own property in other country, there is not much they can do if they just steal them, or freeze their assets like EU and US have done. And for example, those 300 billion of Russian frozen assets are never going to be returned to them. And those properties that resided within Russian territory that they annexed, is never going to be returned either.
There was also this legal case in UK where they froze a Russian Oligarch assets he own in UK but in the end released them for his use after he managed to convince them that he have nothing to do with Russian war effort on Ukraine.
If you conduct business with them. Send the products. Do not build infrastructure there, invest or own anything in their sovereign control.
Not selling Russians if they want to buy is just strange. But owning property inside Russia means that they can just take it if they want.
And also. I would suggest to ask money first.
Usually people check creditial information first when someone wants to take product now, and pay later. And as far as many people understand, Russian creditials look bad. Their government creditials also look bad, as it is entirely possible that they cannot pay back later, because their infrastructure is being destroyed on a daily basis, and that if anything isolates you from an international trade when your factories are destroyed faster than you can repair.
There is a serious trust issue in either side of the conflict.
The first trust Building effort would be for Russia to leave Ukraine, and return the stolen territories.
This is exactly what was suggested on them many years back now. To leave Ukraine and stop this invasion. But as a response they told to go "succumb on a nuclear fallout".
Their current demands were along the lines that Ukraine must give them even more Ukrainian territories. They would need to have security guarantees that protect Russia. Ukraine army should be Limited and Ukraine must remain neutral.
Does not install much trust on what they do.
Option to leave Ukraine is most certainly open all the time. But they wont. They will ontinue, and it will escalate.
As i told before. They are obsessed on this and cannot stop.
They need to make a historical moment, where they conquer more territories and subjects for the Russian Federation. Nothing else will do.
To be remembered in history as a great conqueror.
But i have a better idea. Join NATO and lets conquer the World together. Conquering the whole World definetely tops conquering Donbas or anything you can have from Ukraine.
Can you do it alone ? No. But as a part of NATO you just might. And become the stauntest supporter of the NATO Expansion.
You are seeing it the wrong way. Its not a problem when you are in NATO yourself.
But would it not be better if no one would be killing anyone.
Would not everyone just stop this once and for all.
The Revelation of John tells when you read it, that the humanity will join together, comes the antichrist and then the forces of heaven will defeat the armies of men. The human rule will end and mankind will be ruled from above.
So you really think it will matter in the end. Or if anyone will remember this at all.
You think you will become great like this ? No. You will just become forgotten.
And the only one who is great will be god.
This applies to any other country also, not only Russia. If Russians invest or own property in other country, there is not much they can do if they just steal them, or freeze their assets like EU and US have done. And for example, those 300 billion of Russian frozen assets are never going to be returned to them. And those properties that resided within Russian territory that they annexed, is never going to be returned either.
There was also this legal case in UK where they froze a Russian Oligarch assets he own in UK but in the end released them for his use after he managed to convince them that he have nothing to do with Russian war effort on Ukraine.
If you conduct business with them. Send the products. Do not build infrastructure there, invest or own anything in their sovereign control.
Not selling Russians if they want to buy is just strange. But owning property inside Russia means that they can just take it if they want.
And also. I would suggest to ask money first.
Usually people check creditial information first when someone wants to take product now, and pay later. And as far as many people understand, Russian creditials look bad. Their government creditials also look bad, as it is entirely possible that they cannot pay back later, because their infrastructure is being destroyed on a daily basis, and that if anything isolates you from an international trade when your factories are destroyed faster than you can repair.
There is a serious trust issue in either side of the conflict.
The first trust Building effort would be for Russia to leave Ukraine, and return the stolen territories.
This is exactly what was suggested on them many years back now. To leave Ukraine and stop this invasion. But as a response they told to go "succumb on a nuclear fallout".
Their current demands were along the lines that Ukraine must give them even more Ukrainian territories. They would need to have security guarantees that protect Russia. Ukraine army should be Limited and Ukraine must remain neutral.
Does not install much trust on what they do.
Option to leave Ukraine is most certainly open all the time. But they wont. They will ontinue, and it will escalate.
As i told before. They are obsessed on this and cannot stop.
They need to make a historical moment, where they conquer more territories and subjects for the Russian Federation. Nothing else will do.
To be remembered in history as a great conqueror.
But i have a better idea. Join NATO and lets conquer the World together. Conquering the whole World definetely tops conquering Donbas or anything you can have from Ukraine.
Can you do it alone ? No. But as a part of NATO you just might. And become the stauntest supporter of the NATO Expansion.
You are seeing it the wrong way. Its not a problem when you are in NATO yourself.
But would it not be better if no one would be killing anyone.
Would not everyone just stop this once and for all.
The Revelation of John tells when you read it, that the humanity will join together, comes the antichrist and then the forces of heaven will defeat the armies of men. The human rule will end and mankind will be ruled from above.
So you really think it will matter in the end. Or if anyone will remember this at all.
You think you will become great like this ? No. You will just become forgotten.
And the only one who is great will be god.
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