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Vanquish

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This is a nice image. Seaspan and the OOSV offshore oceanographic science vessel and the future 1st JSS Protectecteur with all major blocks in place. Seaspan has also started construction on the 2nd JSS Preserver and now the Polar Ice Breaker. They have finished the 3 OFSV offshore fisheries science vessels.

So while I wouldn't say that they can compete with the worlds major shipyards they are starting to produce ships. I would suggest the Government did them no favours either by having them build multiple ship classes at the same time. For a smaller ship yard producing one class at a time would have made a lot more sense. Unfortunately the feds left the NSS national shipbuilding strategy way to long, to the point where we are now desperate for all of these ships.

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John Fedup

The Bunker Group
This is a nice image. Seaspan and the OOSV offshore oceanographic science vessel and the future 1st JSS Protectecteur with all major blocks in place. Seaspan has also started construction on the 2nd JSS Preserver and now the Polar Ice Breaker. They have finished the 3 OFSV offshore fisheries science vessels.

So while I wouldn't say that they can compete with the worlds major shipyards they are starting to produce ships. I would suggest the Government did them no favours either by having them build multiple ship classes at the same time. For a smaller ship yard producing one class at a time would have made a lot more sense. Unfortunately the feds left the NSS national shipbuilding strategy way to long, to the point where we are now desperate for all of these ships.

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When the NSS program started, there were only two ocean based shipyards in Canada, both of which needed updating. Quebec based Davie was in receivership. Even if they weren’t, Quebec is unreliable and should never build RCN warships. Frankly it is time to consider building warships in Ontario if we need more capacity (licensed built subs perhaps). If the US is ok building at a Great Lakes port then we should as well.
 

Sender

Member
I was at a two hr presentation and Q and A on CSC just before Christmas. ASROC was mentioned.
Been awhile since we had ASROC. Did the Tribals have that capability? I only remember the Restigouche class with the box launcher having ASROC. Makes sense for CSC, but does further degrade the ship's ability to defend itself against air attack if a number of those 24 cells are taken up by an anti-submarine munition.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
Been awhile since we had ASROC. Did the Tribals have that capability? I only remember the Restigouche class with the box launcher having ASROC. Makes sense for CSC, but does further degrade the ship's ability to defend itself against air attack if a number of those 24 cells are taken up by an anti-submarine munition.
True but I guess it depends on where the ship is deployed. In the North Atlantic hunting subs away from land based AShMs, having a few ASROCs occupying cells, reasonable. I imagine you and I agree on more than 24 cells.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
Don’t expect Canada anytime soon. There has been zero discussion from any of the parties. No pollies here will even commit to 2% GDP for defence.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
Saab and Damen to offer the export version of the A26 (C71) to Canada: Damen and Saab agree on export of C-71 submarines

That's two now (including Hanwa) that have come out with plans to compete, so it seems this project is being seen internationally as a "real thing"...
Expect to see NG entering the contest. Their recent Dutch win would seem to indicate they have a ready to go sub thanks to the work done on their Australian efforts which were derailed with AUKUS.. France and the Quebec governments will lobby hard.
 

hauritz

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AUKUS for Canada? How is the financial side sounding?
AUKUS membership definitely comes with a big price tag attached. Also it comes down to what Canada would want to gain from such a relationship. In Australia’s case we are getting hugely expensive submarines. There is also other somewhat less defined agreements involving technology and information sharing.

How much of that stuff actually relevant to Canada?

Unless Canada decides it wants its own SSNs and develop its own long range strike capability AUKUS probably hasn’t got that much to offer. Really I think the obvious, not so secret agenda behind AUKUS is to counter the Chinese threat.

There are some aspects involving cyber security and AI that would be of interest but whether access to that sort of information and technology requires full membership is debatable.
 
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