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alexsa said:
And to qualify that ... reporting indicate the deal includes spares and equipment in addition to the airframes. So its not 28 mil per airframe.
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Well that makes sense too! Kind of like a huge garage sale everything must go haha
 
John Fedup

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alexsa said:
And to qualify that ... reporting indicate the deal includes spares and equipment in addition to the airframes. So its not 28 mil per airframe.
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It will be way more after the life extensions to God knows when. Same for our existing Hornets.
 
John Fedup

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Canada has announced an open fighter competition for their CF-18 replacement. However it has some caveats: “But we’ve been very clear with this new policy. If there’s economic harm to Canada, if there’s an impact on Canadian jobs, if there’s an impact to some of the key sectors of the Canadian economy, you will be at a distinct disadvantage.”. It is intended to acquire 88 aircraft with a RFP being issued in spring 2019 and the decision by 2022.

I will not hold my breath and it may be probable that my grandkids will be collecting their pensions before these new aircraft go IOC with the RCAF. My oldest grandkid is 14.
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Exactly right. Canada has already had several RFPs that have gone nowhere. Any fast jet manufacturer CEO wasting money on another bid should have his ass thrown out on the street by shareholders. Junior won’t commit to FA, ever!
 
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John Fedup said:
It will be way more after the life extensions to God knows when. Same for our existing Hornets.
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I am beginning to think that is a real possibility. Endless upgrades and just keeping the aircraft flying indefinitely.

A little further down the track some of Australia's superhornets may become available giving Canada the chance to push back the replacement date even further. If you keep pushing the date back then before long Canada might start looking at going straight to generation 6 which will give them the opportunity to push the decision back even further.

The USN extended the life of a number of its classic Hornets from 6000 hours out to 10000 hours. If applied to Canada's aircraft it could possibly see the hornets service life extended out to 40 or 50 years.

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2015/03/07/officials-extend-f-a-18-hornet-service-lives/
 
StingrayOZ

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alexsa said:
And to qualify that ... reporting indicate the deal includes spares and equipment in addition to the airframes. So its not 28 mil per airframe.
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Still..What neat way to fund the Christmas function!

It would be interesting to do that math on the superhornet purchase. Seems like in the end it was a reasonably positive outcome for Australia to bridge a significant difficulty. I wonder if Canada should have purchase some at the same time, and what that would mean for them.
 
t68

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John Fedup said:
Exactly right. Canada has already had several RFPs that have gone nowhere. Any fast jet manufacturer CEO wasting money on another bid should have his ass thrown out on the street by shareholders. Junior won’t commit to FA, ever!
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Yeah they can just dust off the old tender slip in a new premium price for getting stuffed around and bobs you uncle, for the price of a ream of paper $5 from woollies :D:p:
 
Todjaeger

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John Fedup said:
That’s the real issue, junior is hoping to get the RCAF out of the fast jet business. The only thing that can prevent this a big push back by the electorate. Unfortunately I don’t see this happening.
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Have there been actual statements and/or policy papers to this effect, or is this the presumption based off actions taken and not taken by CanGov?

I ask because of how elements of Canadian defence procurement have been used/abused following changes between parties in power. The Sea King & Labrador replacement debacle comes to mind, with the original order for the EH101 getting cancelled in 1993 following a change in gov't, only for a new version to get ordered in 1998 as a replacement for just the Labrador.
 
John Fedup

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No, there is no stated policy by junior to get out of the fast jet business. However, his actions are an indicator that it is the possible goal. He is delaying several defence procurements while at the same time expanding numerous social programs to enhance his re-election chances. The resulting budget crunch will require defence cuts to major acquisitions. The electorate see fast jets as an unnecessary expense for supporting US war adventures whereas naval ships are seen as something that enhances Canadian sovereignty and HADR for the UN. Of course it should noted a portion of the electorate wouldn’t mind a big cut to the RCN as well.
 
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John Fedup said:
No, there is no stated policy by junior to get out of the fast jet business. However, his actions are an indicator that it is the possible goal. He is delaying several defence procurements while at the same time expanding numerous social programs to enhance his re-election chances. The resulting budget crunch will require defence cuts to major acquisitions. The electorate see fast jets as an unnecessary expense for supporting US war adventures whereas naval ships are seen as something that enhances Canadian sovereignty and HADR for the UN. Of course it should noted a portion of the electorate wouldn’t mind a big cut to the RCN as well.
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If they do this, I hope the US has a backbone and refuses to provide for Canada’s air defence, since they will have refused to provide their own, despite being easily able to afford it...

Socialist policies such as thse only work because others take up the slack they refuse to take themselves. It is more than past time that they not be shielded from real world consequences by others.
 
John Fedup

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Most Canadians live in a fantasy world where no threats to Canada exist so an American decision to end air defence of Canada wouldn’t have any effect nor would it be in America’s own interest. A better approach might be visa requirements for Canadians wanting to enter the US and trade sanctions. These measures would have a direct effect on the fools that support idiots like junior.
 
t68

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John Fedup said:
The government of Canada has an industry day for companies interested in the fighter replacement program. The attached link lists some of the key parameters the government is looking for. Almost looks like a F-35 feature list. I wonder if junior ever signed off on the list!

Industry day for new Canadian fighter jet set for Monday
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capable of being deployable, operable, and sustainable worldwide in known threat environments into the 2060s, and be able to meet Canada’s military airworthiness regulations.
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Most likely written in a way that Jr didn't understand what he was looking at , and at the moment only one aircraft can meet that requirement
 
John Fedup

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Boeing did not attend the Industry Day event for Canada's fighter replacement program. The company has until Feb. 9 to join the interested supplier list. Nice if they just pulled out but we probably won't be that luckily. Have to admit I would like to see junior twisting in the wind with bids from LM and the Euros has the only choices. If the previous posts regarding requirements are correct, it is difficult to see how LM can lose, even if Boeing shows up. Of course there is the junior factor, he is more than capable of resetting the process if he doesn't like the results using the usual Liberal excuses, crisis in the economy or more pressing social demands require sacrifices to be made in other programs (other always equals defence)!

Boeing still evaluating whether to bid for Canadian fighter contract
 
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John Fedup said:
Boeing did not attend the Industry Day event for Canada's fighter replacement program. The company has until Feb. 9 to join the interested supplier list. Nice if they just (no title) out but we probably won't be that luckily. Have to admit I would like to see junior twisting in the wind with bids from LM and the Euros has the only choices. If the previous posts regarding requirements are correct, it is difficult to see how LM can lose, even if Boeing shows up. Of course there is the junior factor, he is more than capable of resetting the process if he doesn't like the results using the usual Liberal excuses, crisis in the economy or more pressing social demands require sacrifices to be made in other programs (other always equals defence)!

Boeing still evaluating whether to bid for Canadian fighter contract
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http://nationalpost.com/news/canada...-fighter-jets-expected-to-be-slowly-phased-in

If Canada intends keeping its current fleet flying until 2032 then I think that would effectively eliminate Boeing from the competition anyway. I doubt the superhornet will still in production in the mid to late 20s. In fact the only contender guaranteed to be still in production at that time will be the F-35.

Strikes me that the Canadian airforce will probably need some more classic hornets from the RAAF if they want to keep their fleet operational for another 14 years.
 
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hauritz said:
Canada’s CF-18s to fly until 2032 as new fighter jets expected to be slowly phased in

If Canada intends keeping its current fleet flying until 2032 then I think that would effectively eliminate Boeing from the competition anyway. I doubt the superhornet will still in production in the mid to late 20s. In fact the only contender guaranteed to be still in production at that time will be the F-35.

Strikes me that the Canadian airforce will probably need some more classic hornets from the RAAF if they want to keep their fleet operational for another 14 years.
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Someone has looked at the Seaking LOT and made an assumption that 50 years is the gold standard for aircraft.
To put this in context, can you imagine an F76 Sabre, built in 1952, remaining in service until 2002!
This is something the Argentinians would sneer at.:rolleyes:
 
John Fedup

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ASSAIL said:
Someone has looked at the Seaking LOT and made an assumption that 50 years is the gold standard for aircraft.
To put this in context, can you imagine an F76 Sabre, built in 1952, remaining in service until 2002!
This is something the Argentinians would sneer at.:rolleyes:
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Just imagine what new gold standard junior is considering for the RCN. If 50 years is ok for combat jets, WTF does he have in mind for naval ships, a 100 years?:eek:
 
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