I don't suppose you could provide a link to those concept drawings?
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t68
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Albury Wodonga Military Area (AWMA)
Gaza Ridge Barracks (AWMA) -
Latchford Barracks (AWMA) -
Wadsworth Barracks (AWMA) -
Defence Plaza Melbourne
DSTO Fishermans Bend
Fort Queenscliff
HMAS Cerberus
Multi User Depot Bendigo
Puckapunyal Military Area
RAAF East Sale
RAAF Williams
Simpson Barracks
Victoria Barracks Melbourne
I haven't listed EO handling site such as Mangalore and Benalla, not sure what's happening with Point Wilson wharf and explosive handling area( I haven't been there since the old DAS days)
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Rule of thumb, 48 hrs but usually things to do in the exercise areas or tailored arrival and departure times to suit destination Or about 30 hours in an uninterrupted straight line steam.
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t68
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Its been a fair while but I remember Abraham Gubler having this same debate a fair while ago. I cant remember the outcome but vaguely remember something about JB, I think he ruled out Brisbane as it was too far from the continental shelf or it could have been the reverse
Studies in the early 90s ruled out JB as a fleet base on the basis of cost and environmental impact (sea grass beds, the unique dolphin species, the Booderee National Park etc); simplistically, that’s why the EO Depot went to Twofold Bay.
JB itself is not all that deep, mostly 20 metres or less although it has some sink holes which are quite a lot deeper, but the drop off once past Point Perp is pretty swift - 100m or so within about 3 miles and something like 800 by the time you’re 15 miles offshore.
JB itself is not all that deep, mostly 20 metres or less although it has some sink holes which are quite a lot deeper, but the drop off once past Point Perp is pretty swift - 100m or so within about 3 miles and something like 800 by the time you’re 15 miles offshore.
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Yep 20m .....at the base of the cliffs. Deeper in spots. Shame, would be a great Navy base there. Nowra would boom!
Just wanted to show off an old pic of me at Jervis Bay, around 1992-3.
I dont want to be pedantic, but the first four you mentioned are all in Bandianna/Bonegilla. I am not familiar with RAAF Williams, unless it is the RAAF base near Newcastle NSW. Cerberus in the RAN school, Fort Queenscliff is a museum. Apart from RAAF East Sale and Pucka, the rest are mainly training establishments and admin.
Cant see us basing many ships at any of them.
RAAF Williams is Laverton and Point Cook.
Unfortunately for the Victorians, basing ships there offers no advantages, and some disadvantages, compared to NSW and WA - the same is true of SA - so it’s unlikely anything significant will be based in either state. It’s possible at some time in the future we might see some patrol assets based in one or the other but even that would seem highly unlikely.
But if you are talking about Defence activity in general I wouldn’t discount Cerberus, after all it is the RAN’s largest establishment; and the army presence is pretty substantial.
Unfortunately for the Victorians, basing ships there offers no advantages, and some disadvantages, compared to NSW and WA - the same is true of SA - so it’s unlikely anything significant will be based in either state. It’s possible at some time in the future we might see some patrol assets based in one or the other but even that would seem highly unlikely.
But if you are talking about Defence activity in general I wouldn’t discount Cerberus, after all it is the RAN’s largest establishment; and the army presence is pretty substantial.
t68
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it was a tongue in cheek reply to you post "Are there no suitable sites in Victoria? It appears to me that Victoria is the forgotten state when defence bases are mentioned. There is only Puckapunal and Bandiana (Army) East Sale (RAAF), and thats it."
it came from a government list of defence establishments from each state
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There are more national/marine parks than you can stick a poke at around Jervis Bay:
Jervis Bay National Park Marine Park Commonwealth Marine Reserve NSW Australia - Google Search
G'day everyone.
Great to be a part of this forum.
I would like to, if I may, discuss the Sea1180 OPV.
Im thinking these vessels really do need an ASW capability.
I get the fact that 90% of their tasking will likely be constabulary, however being an island nation there may well come a time when we will be hugely grateful for every single ASW asset we can get our paws on.
They could be a resource to bolster escort packages, or indeed even take custody of coastal components of escort tastings.
The notion that it lacks hull mounted sonar is IMHO moot. - if they can put ASW suits in helicopters, they can mount a towed array and a console on a ship.
Even a hull with a single triple LWT launcher, or one each side even without reloads has 3-6 warshots.
To my feeble brain, it's akin to a WW2 Flower corvette, a game changer in the battle of the Atlantic and a "grade 2" capability multiplier in the modern sense.
Crews with ASW mustering would no longer be confined to major fleet units (or helicopters), but could also have the variety of minor vessel postings too.
Continuation/maintenance training could be software driven simulated seek-track-prosecute modules, when not linked into bigger fleet exercises actually seeking targets.
Extrapolating this further, putting a helo based ASW suite, a LWT launcher mount and towed array on acquired surge auxiliaries (god forbid it ever came to that) is perhaps another option to field ASW assets?
What do you guys reckon?
Cheers.
Great to be a part of this forum.
I would like to, if I may, discuss the Sea1180 OPV.
Im thinking these vessels really do need an ASW capability.
I get the fact that 90% of their tasking will likely be constabulary, however being an island nation there may well come a time when we will be hugely grateful for every single ASW asset we can get our paws on.
They could be a resource to bolster escort packages, or indeed even take custody of coastal components of escort tastings.
The notion that it lacks hull mounted sonar is IMHO moot. - if they can put ASW suits in helicopters, they can mount a towed array and a console on a ship.
Even a hull with a single triple LWT launcher, or one each side even without reloads has 3-6 warshots.
To my feeble brain, it's akin to a WW2 Flower corvette, a game changer in the battle of the Atlantic and a "grade 2" capability multiplier in the modern sense.
Crews with ASW mustering would no longer be confined to major fleet units (or helicopters), but could also have the variety of minor vessel postings too.
Continuation/maintenance training could be software driven simulated seek-track-prosecute modules, when not linked into bigger fleet exercises actually seeking targets.
Extrapolating this further, putting a helo based ASW suite, a LWT launcher mount and towed array on acquired surge auxiliaries (god forbid it ever came to that) is perhaps another option to field ASW assets?
What do you guys reckon?
Cheers.
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