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Stampede

Well-Known Member
The only possible reason I can think of for this totally perplexing announcement is that the ships are being transferred to Border Force with their stricter rules on heavier weapons...
Could be the case

My bet is they are destined for the Virginia Class.

Time will tell. :rolleyes:

Cheers S
 

BSKS

Member
There has been some discussion in the media regarding the latest CRS report to Congress on the Virginia Class (see link below for those who have not seen it). Some commentators are hyping this while others are playing it down as nothing. I think this last report though, is a bit more significant.

Even though the CRS reports to Congress don't provide recommendations, they do build cases for and against policy issues under consideration by Congress. The significance of the latest report IMO is the considerable hardening of the case against Virginia transfers to Australia when compared to previous versions of the same report.

 

Stampede

Well-Known Member
There has been some discussion in the media regarding the latest CRS report to Congress on the Virginia Class (see link below for those who have not seen it). Some commentators are hyping this while others are playing it down as nothing. I think this last report though, is a bit more significant.

Even though the CRS reports to Congress don't provide recommendations, they do build cases for and against policy issues under consideration by Congress. The significance of the latest report IMO is the considerable hardening of the case against Virginia transfers to Australia when compared to previous versions of the same report.

The AUKUS subject does ignite emotions.
The CRS report raises fair questions for the USA if we don’t go “all the way “ as it does for Australia ,should we choose not to go “all the way” in the Virginia Class construct.

How and why these questions were not addressed before the deal was settled seems perplexing, but it does sort of make sense re the speed to which this deal was put together in the first place.

So a sovereign capability for the ADF or not.
Did we realistically think the US were going to through us the keys to a Virginia SSN and they were not going to have considerable expectations of its use and deployment in both times of peace and conflict.


AUKUS an interesting gamble!

Cheers S
 

iambuzzard

Well-Known Member
The AUKUS subject does ignite emotions.
The CRS report raises fair questions for the USA if we don’t go “all the way “ as it does for Australia ,should we choose not to go “all the way” in the Virginia Class construct.

How and why these questions were not addressed before the deal was settled seems perplexing, but it does sort of make sense re the speed to which this deal was put together in the first place.

So a sovereign capability for the ADF or not.
Did we realistically think the US were going to through us the keys to a Virginia SSN and they were not going to have considerable expectations of its use and deployment in both times of peace and conflict.


AUKUS an interesting gamble!

Cheers S
This just gets worse and worse. Make a deal and stick to it!
 

ADMk2

Just a bloke
Staff member
Verified Defense Pro
There has been some discussion in the media regarding the latest CRS report to Congress on the Virginia Class (see link below for those who have not seen it). Some commentators are hyping this while others are playing it down as nothing. I think this last report though, is a bit more significant.

Even though the CRS reports to Congress don't provide recommendations, they do build cases for and against policy issues under consideration by Congress. The significance of the latest report IMO is the considerable hardening of the case against Virginia transfers to Australia when compared to previous versions of the same report.

Stay with me here guys, before the hand-wringing gets too out of control.

Congressional. Research. Service.

Their literal job is conduct research and provide options to Congress. Congress is not obliged to accept such options. They are discussion points only.

Remember when Trump said he actually wants AUKUS accelerated if possible? Remember when Joe Biden actually signed the thing and agreed to it, to begin with?

Remember when both sides of Congress overwhelmingly voted in favour of AUKUS and passed legislation that literally allows it to happen?

Real action. By those in charge.

Not an options paper by a library, guys…
 

spoz

The Bunker Group
Verified Defense Pro
Precisely. Ronald O’Rourke has been the head of the Naval research section for years; there are dozens of reports under his name available on all sorts of subjects. And each one of those provides analysis on both sides of the matter being discussed. Their purpose is to inform members of Congress on the subject, and arm them with multiple arguments around the subject. You can, for example, find arguments for and against almost every acquisition program, major or (relatively) being run or contemplated by navy. O’Rourke is widely respected for the impartiality he brings to his work; but he does not make policy.
 
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