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Looks like Navantia Australia are displaying an Australianised variant of the MRSS, looks kinda similar to the one they offered the uk. BMTs Ellida Strike probably current frontrunner

‘LPD/Littoral strike ship concept’

RN-UK pic 1 (Navantia design)
RN-UK pic 2 (BMT design)
RAN-AUS pic 3 (Navantia design) - on display
 

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OldNavy63 said:
@StevoJH is correct. Cape class ADV Cape Inscription has pennant number 320.

Thank you for your reply. I should have looked at the original CCPB pennant numbers.
I was looking at the Evolved CCPB pennant numbers which run 312, 313, 314, 315, 316, 317, 318 and 319, and guessed that the 9th Cape Spencer would be 320. but it gets the pennant #225.
Given that Inscription has pennant #320, my query still stands why would the Navy not give Cape Spencer 321 instead of 225, which is out of sequence?
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Indo Pacific 2025: Japan builds Australia's Mogami frigates for Naval Strike Missile

Australia's fleet of Improved Mogami-class frigates are being built to accommodate the Naval Strike Missile (NSM), a representative from Mitsubishi Heavy Industries...
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‘Australia's fleet of Improved Mogami-class frigates are being built to accommodate the Naval Strike Missile (NSM), a representative from Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI) has confirmed.

Speaking to Janes at the Indo Pacific International Maritime Exposition 2025 in Sydney, the representative said that this will be the major difference between the Improved Mogami-class frigates that are being built for the Royal Australian Navy (RAN) and the ones that are being built for the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force (JMSDF).

Instead of the NSM, the Improved Mogami-class frigates being built for Japan will be equipped with the improved Type 12 missile.’
 
Reptilia said:
Looks like Navantia Australia are displaying an Australianised variant of the MRSS, looks kinda similar to the one they offered the uk. BMTs Ellida Strike probably current frontrunner

‘LPD/Littoral strike ship concept’

RN-UK pic 1 (Navantia design)
RN-UK pic 2 (BMT design)
RAN-AUS pic 3 (Navantia design) - on display
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The hull forms are significantly different - ignore the topsides - although they, too have not so minor differences.
 
Reptilia said:
www.janes.com

Indo Pacific 2025: Japan builds Australia's Mogami frigates for Naval Strike Missile

Australia's fleet of Improved Mogami-class frigates are being built to accommodate the Naval Strike Missile (NSM), a representative from Mitsubishi Heavy Industries...
www.janes.com www.janes.com

‘Australia's fleet of Improved Mogami-class frigates are being built to accommodate the Naval Strike Missile (NSM), a representative from Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI) has confirmed.

Speaking to Janes at the Indo Pacific International Maritime Exposition 2025 in Sydney, the representative said that this will be the major difference between the Improved Mogami-class frigates that are being built for the Royal Australian Navy (RAN) and the ones that are being built for the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force (JMSDF).

Instead of the NSM, the Improved Mogami-class frigates being built for Japan will be equipped with the improved Type 12 missile.’
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No surprise there, good outcome.
 
Reptilia said:
Sounds good in theory, Civmec could potentially start building steel units end 2026 after contract signing and accelerate the Australian build of upgraded Mogami timeline 3-4 years. Risky without the first ship in service but possible.
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This one is going to be very interesting to see how it gets unpicked.

The only way that Austal does not get the GPF program lead is if it totally stuffs up the LCH and LCM programs. Despite the current design issues with Birdon (and I agree with Reptilia above, this is on Birdon) there are no signs of that yet. The Government have been really direct on this. There are no chances of a HMI/Civmec tie up.

MHI are however not going to accept a commercial arrangement with Austal or the Government if Hanwa have access to their commercially sensitive information including ship designs. No company would ever do this with a direct competitor.

I don't think Hanwa are interested in the Austal Australian assets at all. They still want the US assets to merge them with their Philly shipyard. Note Austal USA already has certification to participate in the SSN program (which is not easy to obtain) and has a large Coastguard/Defence order book that could easily support two yards.

I would not be surprised if this gets resolved by allowing Hanwa to increase their stake above 20%, and then enabling the Government to purchase the Australian assets of Austal (of which they recently obtained a right to do so).

This gets combined with either buying or leasing the Civmec facility by the Government, and then subcontracting a labour workforce from Civmec for construction.

My understanding is that we will find out early next year.
 
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AUKUS builds steam, but requires full Australian commitment - Naval News

Australia is continuing to drive forward its ambition for nuclear-powered submarines (SSN). The first day of Indo-Pacific 2025, held in Sydney from 4-6 November, was marked by a flurry of announcements relating to submarines. Australia is continuing to drive forward its ambition for...
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SSN AUKUS model at the Rolls Royce stand.

Pic - Naval News
Now that’s good lookin…
 

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The eCape numbers do not run in age of the hull 312, 313, 314, 315, 316, 317, 318, 319, 225 and 226. They run 314, 315, 316, 317, 318, 319, 312, 313, 225 and 226. Go figure!?
 
SammyC said:
This one is going to be very interesting to see how it gets unpicked.

The only way that Austal does not get the GPF program lead is if it totally stuffs up the LCH and LCM programs. Despite the current design issues with Birdon (and I agree with Reptilia above, this is on Birdon) there are no signs of that yet. The Government have been really direct on this. There are no chances of a HMI/Civmec tie up.

MHI are however not going to accept a commercial arrangement with Austal or the Government if Hanwa have access to their commercially sensitive information including ship designs. No company would ever do this with a direct competitor.

I don't think Hanwa are interested in the Austal Australian assets at all. They still want the US assets to merge them with their Philly shipyard. Note Austal USA already has certification to participate in the SSN program (which is not easy to obtain) and has a large Coastguard/Defence order book that could easily support two yards.

I would not be surprised if this gets resolved by allowing Hanwa to increase their stake above 20%, and then enabling the Government to purchase the Australian assets of Austal (of which they recently obtained a right to do so).

This gets combined with either buying or leasing the Civmec facility by the Government, and then subcontracting a labour workforce from Civmec for construction.

My understanding is that we will find out early next year.
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Austal confirms Mogami Class aspirations.

www.defenceconnect.com.au

Austal confirms Mogami Class aspirations and Landing Craft Medium design takeover

Austal Limited chief executive officer Paddy Gregg has confirmed that the company has “taken over from Birdon and will mature the design” of the Landing Craft Medium project, while also holding meetings with Japanese representatives responsible for the new Mogami Class general purpose frigate.
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Reptilia said:
www.navalnews.com

AUKUS builds steam, but requires full Australian commitment - Naval News

Australia is continuing to drive forward its ambition for nuclear-powered submarines (SSN). The first day of Indo-Pacific 2025, held in Sydney from 4-6 November, was marked by a flurry of announcements relating to submarines. Australia is continuing to drive forward its ambition for...
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SSN AUKUS model at the Rolls Royce stand.

Pic - Naval News
Now that’s good lookin…
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I like the red double decker bus for scale.
It’s a very big boat!!!

What dictates this very large size?

Cheers S
 
Stampede said:
I like the red double decker bus for scale.
It’s a very big boat!!!

What dictates this very large size?

Cheers S
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Hopefully the SSN Aukus have a dedicated gym and office work spaces. It's pretty ordinary having to use your mess for work related activities.
 

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‘While Austal Limited’s chief executive, Paddy Gregg, says the LCM vessels can be built in the company’s facility, largely using a workforce currently engaged in delivering the commonwealth’s Guardian-class Patrol Boat program for Australia’s Pacific Island partners, a larger area will be needed to consolidate the LCH ships and the Mogami frigates.’

“LCM we can definitely build with the resources that we have in-house. We’re coming to the end of the Guardian-class program, so as that program winds down, the LCM will take on the resources that come off that program,” Gregg says.’

“We’ll be able to build the LCM vessels at our site in Henderson, we don’t need (additional) space for consolidation, and we don’t need a huge ramp up of resources.‘

“The LCH is a very big vessel, too big to be consolidated on our existing site. So sometime before the end of the 2027 fiscal year we will need a facility that is big enough to consolidate those vessels.”

‘Several other companies are already located at Henderson, including Civmec Limited, which has the largest facility by far on the site and also has aspirations to build the General Purpose Frigates (GPFs). The company recently acquired Luerssen Australia and is now building four of the six Arafura-class Offshore Patrol Vessels for the navy. There is also a Common User Facility, owned by the WA government and currently home to a great deal of work in support of the oil and gas sector.’
 
A. The exact same 'Flight-III' (whatever that means) CG/DDG design by Navantia was presented at the last exhibition, or maybe the one before, although i don't remember them releasing any specifications until now. Evolution of the Hunter class is the way forward, Navantia is done after the Supply class nonsense. There is only good to become from basing an AAW DDG/CG on a quiet ASW platform, even if you don't fit it with a top-end dual-tow VDS.
B. Are those 4 VLS on the bow of the SSN-AUKUS model, if not where are they?
C. Why does the VLS on the Virginia class model show the older, more complex and maintenance-intensive Mk45 '12x1' VLS for Tomahawks rather than the 2x6 'Virginia Payload Tube' VLS on every US Navy Virginia class boat post Block-III.
 
Flexson said:
That's exactly what I said. Have a closer look at the numbers I wrote.
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Oh ok, I now see what you mean. I wonder if there is any reason why they are not numbered by age/build? also why the pennant numbers are now 225 and 226 for the last two ECCPB'? There is probably a logical reason?
 
CrustyRusty said:
Oh ok, I now see what you mean. I wonder if there is any reason why they are not numbered by age/build? also why the pennant numbers are now 225 and 226 for the last two ECCPB'? There is probably a logical reason?
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And why they didn't use 311. With the NAB vessels Fourcroy and Inscription being 310 and 320.
Lot's of weird things with vessel numbers over the years. Not using 40 with the Perth DDG's, not using 40 again for the Hobart DDG's to keep Hobart and Brisbane the same as previous, but making Sydney 42 when it could have been 40, but that wouldn't have worked with the originally envisioned commissioning date of DDG Sydney and retirement of FFG Sydney, but would have worked out after the schedule slip. Having LHD Canberra and Adelaide numbers ass about to keep them same as previous. Having these peculiarities to keep numbers the same as previous but then naming Supply and Stalwart as 195 and 304 instead of 195 and 215.
Fun and games for the ship spotters to show who's paying attention?
 
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