Royal Australian Navy Discussions and Updates 2.0

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Mogami Construction in WA apparently will begin in 2031. 5 years for the first if they are to be delivered every 2 years.

A few reports floating around have said that Government has left “scope” for more than 3x Mogamis to be built for RAN in Japan if Henderson doesn’t go as swimmingly well as they hope…

 

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[Tbone]

Could some explain the reports the billions of dollars have been earmarked for upgrades to the Arafura Class in the IIP? Is this true and what capabilities are they getting?

 

[iambuzzard]

Could some explain the reports the billions of dollars have been earmarked for upgrades to the Arafura Class in the IIP? Is this true and what capabilities are they getting?

That came out of the blue. If it's billions it would have to be serious upgrades. Any thoughts?

 

[Todjaeger]

A few reports floating around have said that Government has left “scope” for more than 3x Mogamis to be built for RAN in Japan if Henderson doesn’t go as swimmingly well as they hope…

Perhaps a moment of foresight? One of the big issues (aside from the pork) I have had with SEA 3000 is the need to get effectively a brand new site built, workforce raised and trained, and then have everything operational in a very tight timeframe in order to start deliveries when needed.

If there is some scope to get additional units built in Japan if/when problems appear in WA and/or construction schedules slip, that would likely be a good thing.

 

[Todjaeger]

That came out of the blue. If it's billions it would have to be serious upgrades. Any thoughts?

TBH I suspect that funding a that level is not for upgrades. One needs to remember that the Arafura-class OPV, when 12 units were ordered back in 2018, had a total cost of ~AUD$3.6 bil. and a rough per ship cost (again, in 2018 dollars) of AUD$300 mil. If budget line items for the Arafura-class in the Billions are being mentioned, I think it would be more likely that more units are being considered.

If this is accurate, then perhaps any new units if ordered, might be of to different layout and configuration, a Batch 2 OPV design if one will. That would make more sense to me than Australia pouring (flushing?) hundreds of millions of dollars per vessel into a small number of new OPV's that is only just starting to enter service.

 

[SamB]

Perhaps a moment of foresight? One of the big issues (aside from the pork) I have had with SEA 3000 is the need to get effectively a brand new site built, workforce raised and trained, and then have everything operational in a very tight timeframe in order to start deliveries when needed.

If there is some scope to get additional units built in Japan if/when problems appear in WA and/or construction schedules slip, that would likely be a good thing.

There are Australian owned companies that could do it on time and on budget. No doubt about it. The issue is bureaucracy telling Aussies oh you haven't done this before so we'll award the contract to a bigger more internationally connected firm who are already under the pump.

 

[StevoJH]

There are Australian owned companies that could do it on time and on budget. No doubt about it. The issue is bureaucracy telling Aussies oh you haven't done this before so we'll award the contract to a bigger more internationally connected firm who are already under the pump.

CIVMEC can probably do the metal bashing (in their current facility even), but these are going to be more complicated than anything they (or AUSTAL Australia) have built before.

They are going to need someone experienced and competent for the systems integration.