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icelord

The Bunker Group
Verified Defense Pro
Was brought onto an Infrastructure team to work on East Coast base prior to its disappearance from Projects.

I mention Politicians in this post as historical context and not as a bias for or against.

Port Kembla was preferred for multiple reasons including scaling up area, access to deep ocean and less impact on commercial shipping.
The location pre design allowed maximum use of space for entire Sub community with berths providing usage by surface fleet also. The idea was to allow Subs and possible Auxiliary ships basing. We did some scope for NSW Govt to see what they needed to improve in support. Think roads, hospitals, schools, housing and emergency services for supporting the impact of 5,000 personnel and then their families.

This was all prior to Sea 3000 but with FBE receiving 4 Hunters, AOR, Amphib and Anzac replacement.

FBE is currently in planning for major infrastructure upgrades which is seriously needed for future fleets. Not sure how much is public but i look forward to the whinging of Eastern Suburbs residents :p

Newcastle (Having grown up there so aware of the Port) is high traffic for coal industry as priority. The planned basing would be seperate to Maintenance facilities in Newcastle harbour. While it had advantages, i wasnt a fan due to movements of vessels interrupting commerical and cramped infrastructure within the location.

Brisbane was political suggestion and had as much merit as Kevin Rudd wanting FBE there during his 2013 election pitch for votes. If Brisbane was selected, it was politics and not Strategic. The 3-4hr surface passage before deep diving for Submarines should have disqualified this option at the start, before we discussed commercial shipping operations. Berths were insecure compared with PK.

Gladstone was never a serious option but was raised for votes by ALP or deflect from the other suggestions.

With the election going to ALP, the suggestion of East Coast base was shelved as the politics of it was not worth the fight as AUKUS is still a struggle to justify to ALP base. That and preferred option of Port Kembla is ALP seat whos local member opposes.

I lived in Wollongong last 2 yrs and locals were keen to explore it, knowing the economic benefits it would bring to the area. Apparently 5,000 personnel with min. Salary of $100k would benefit the area greatly was obvious to locals but not discussed.

This argument will restart in 15yrs when they start all over again, with our scoping saying 10yrs would be needed to plan, design, approve and build to certification and commencement of working operations. But hey, why get something ready now and have options.
 

Reptilia

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Was brought onto an Infrastructure team to work on East Coast base prior to its disappearance from Projects.

I mention Politicians in this post as historical context and not as a bias for or against.

Port Kembla was preferred for multiple reasons including scaling up area, access to deep ocean and less impact on commercial shipping.
The location pre design allowed maximum use of space for entire Sub community with berths providing usage by surface fleet also. The idea was to allow Subs and possible Auxiliary ships basing. We did some scope for NSW Govt to see what they needed to improve in support. Think roads, hospitals, schools, housing and emergency services for supporting the impact of 5,000 personnel and then their families.

This was all prior to Sea 3000 but with FBE receiving 4 Hunters, AOR, Amphib and Anzac replacement.

FBE is currently in planning for major infrastructure upgrades which is seriously needed for future fleets. Not sure how much is public but i look forward to the whinging of Eastern Suburbs residents :p

Newcastle (Having grown up there so aware of the Port) is high traffic for coal industry as priority. The planned basing would be seperate to Maintenance facilities in Newcastle harbour. While it had advantages, i wasnt a fan due to movements of vessels interrupting commerical and cramped infrastructure within the location.

Brisbane was political suggestion and had as much merit as Kevin Rudd wanting FBE there during his 2013 election pitch for votes. If Brisbane was selected, it was politics and not Strategic. The 3-4hr surface passage before deep diving for Submarines should have disqualified this option at the start, before we discussed commercial shipping operations. Berths were insecure compared with PK.

Gladstone was never a serious option but was raised for votes by ALP or deflect from the other suggestions.

With the election going to ALP, the suggestion of East Coast base was shelved as the politics of it was not worth the fight as AUKUS is still a struggle to justify to ALP base. That and preferred option of Port Kembla is ALP seat whos local member opposes.

I lived in Wollongong last 2 yrs and locals were keen to explore it, knowing the economic benefits it would bring to the area. Apparently 5,000 personnel with min. Salary of $100k would benefit the area greatly was obvious to locals but not discussed.

This argument will restart in 15yrs when they start all over again, with our scoping saying 10yrs would be needed to plan, design, approve and build to certification and commencement of working operations. But hey, why get something ready now and have options.
FBE, anything like the pic on the left?
 

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iambuzzard

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I question the value of the Phalanx these days with directed energy stations with unlimited 'ammo' now in production. Larger calibre cannons with dual feeds (air burst, AP, etc) also provide more options at a far greater range as well as their own built in surveillance capabilities.
RAN should be looking at other options to the Typhoon mount too, as there's plenty of better systems out there including home grown ones.
SeaRAM provides a similar number of engagements to the Millennium but they would obviously work better together in the layered approach.
Don't forget, directed energy weapons need favourable atmospheric conditions. A foggy day won't be good. We need multiple layers. SeaRAM or RAM, Phalanx, Lasers, and medium calibre guns with smart rounds will give you that. Redundancy will keep you alive.
 

iambuzzard

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It has to be - Abel Tasman was a shit of a human being who murdered at least one crew member, he triggered a violent confrontation with our NZ allies and he was a Dutch land owner in the Dutch East Indies - with all the slavery issues that brings with it (from a colonising power that wasn't the nicest to it's native residents...)

There is no way we could name a modern combatant after that individual, surely?

And before I hear anything about woke modern views - the murder verdict is from a 1649 Dutch court...
And we worry about James Cook!
 
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