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Thanks for setting a great example — below a reminder of what was said in DT on 11 Feb 2016. We are back in full circle again of another up coming bid to build submarines. Builders and engineers know that with a greenfield solution, risks and problems go up irrespective of how good joint the RAN and ASC team is.Phase one of program - design process
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Phase two of program - construction
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Currently, we don’t have enough active Mods to police all threads — we need all the help we can get from members to keep these threads on track and readable — your help is appreciated. We are also trying to keep a good balance between:There is a fundamental truth in place here - the french and german proposals are vapourware - the very thing that the swedes were criticised for. The Japanese sub is a legacy design of what was regarded as the most acoustically perfect conventional sub in the world - and its been operational under its own steam for 2 japanese design generations - let alone the legacy design
sure, get an open tender, but lets suspend according stupid comments made by other vendors who have a fundamental desire to compete and knock off the only viable threat - as being of relevance to the acquisition and assessment debate
the Oyashios were nicknamed nuke killers when I worked in acoustics - the french subs at the same capability level just don't exist - no matter how many glossy posters they print
I'd take any german offering over a french one as they do have a strong and evidence based history - but again, their offering is vaporware
ask any builder and engineer what happens when you're dealing with a greenfield solution, risks and problems go up irrespective of how good the team is.
the only subs that have survived that paradigm have been the Virginias, the Oyashios and the Soryus. In fact the Virginias were built around japanese manufacturing constructs - I have a pretty clear memory of the Virginia project lead (RADM level) telling a room full of us about how much they learnt from the japanese design, development and build models
we shouldn't suspend logic and or reality just because some fool is trying to make cheap shots at their opponents and where those statement won't stand the test of applied thought in capability or engineering terms..
(i) laypersons and those with prior service or in the industry; and
(ii) ground truth and evidence based discussions on submarine builds.