must be an m113 variant equipped with the anza missiles.Army receives Air Defence Missile Carriers
ISLAMABAD: Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (CJCSC) General Ehsan Ul Haq said on Friday that strengthening the country’s national defence was a government priority.
Speaking at the handing-over ceremony of indigenously built Air Defence Missile Carriers to regiments of the Pakistan Army at the Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT), Gen Ehsan said that the government was focusing on the operational preparedness of the armed forces, of which the Armed Forces Development Plan (AFDP) was a component.
Rapid mobility, armoured protection and integral air defence elements were central to modernising the Pakistan Army, he added. The CJSCS said that the unveiling of the air defence missile carriers represented yet another milestone in Pakistan’s indigenous weapons’ capability and would further strengthen the country’s air defence.
Earlier, in his welcome address, HIT Chairman Lt Gen Israr Ahmed Ghumman said that HIT was meeting the Pakistan Army’s entire tracked vehicle requirements. APP
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\12\02\story_2-12-2006_pg7_20
Hmm, so I'm not exactly sure which Air Defence Missile Carriers these are and what missiles they actually carry? And the indigenous part? Someone with more information on this mind elaborating?
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must be an m113 variant equipped with the anza missiles.
there has been alot of news about pakistan army Receiving some numbers of AH-64, but whats happening?
"Pakistan is thought to have ordered 6 Apache Longbow for its various anti-terrorism missions; unofficial reports suggest that the Pakistan Army has a requirement of up to 30 AH-64D Apache Longbow by 2010."
"The Pakistan Army is all set to receive a batch of six Apache attack helicopters from the U.S. early next month, after nearly a decade-long arms embargo, reports here say.The six AH-64D Long Bow Apaches will be part of the $73 million American assistance to Pakistan announced last week to strengthen its western borders with Afghanistan."
are these Rumors or what??
That is an absolutely bogus report, there are NO apaches in Pakistan. It was probably a classic case of a news reporter that doesnt know which end is up. The only attack helicopters given to Pakistan are 28 more Cobras i believe for the anti terroism drills along the afghan border areas.
mysterious
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Not really. From what I gather, these are Al-Talha APCs mounted with RBS-70 missiles. I'd appreciate someone elaborating on the technical aspects of this modification of two different origins' equipment to make one effective piece of equipment.must be an m113 variant equipped with the anza missiles.
falconlover81
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TOW-2A Missiles for the army.
Pakistan – TOW-2A Anti-Armor Guided Missiles
WASHINGTON, December 07, 2006 - The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Pakistan of TOW 2A Missiles as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $185 million.
The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of 2,769 Radio Frequency (RF) TOW 2A Missiles, 7 RF TOW 2A Fly-to-buy Missiles, 415 RF Bunker Buster Missiles, 7 RF Fly-to-buy Bunker Buster Missiles, upgrade of 121 TOW Basic/TOW-I launchers to fire TOW II configuration for wire-guided and wireless missiles, TOW Data Acquisition Systems, gunner aiming sight, testers, cameras, spare and repair parts, technical support, support equipment, personnel training and training equipment, technical data and publications, U.S. Government and contractor engineering and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $185 million
This proposed sale will contribute to furthering the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping a friendly country provide for its own legitimate self-defense needs and to enable Pakistan to support U.S. operations against terrorist activity along its porous borders. In addition, these missiles have most recently been employed in several global war on terrorism operations in the tribal areas of Pakistan and have allowed, when coupled with Cobra attack helicopters, the Government of Pakistan to employ new tactics, techniques and procedures that have proven highly effective against terrorists.
Pakistan will augment its land forces with these TOW-2A anti-armor guided missiles. Pakistan will use these missiles to increase its military defensive posture and will have no difficulty absorbing these additional missiles into its armed forces. Pakistan’s existing inventory of TOW missiles will soon begin to be affected by its specified shelf life. While TOW missiles can be employed beyond their shelf life, system reliability and safety are eroded. Pakistan continues to expend TOW missiles in both training exercises and combat operations. The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not affect the basic military balance in the region. The prime contractor will be Raytheon Company in Tucson, Arizona. There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale
Implementation of this proposed sale will not require the assignment of any U.S. Government and contractor representatives to Pakistan.
There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale. This notice of a potential sale is required by law; it does not mean that the sale has been concluded.
Pakistan – TOW-2A Anti-Armor Guided Missiles
WASHINGTON, December 07, 2006 - The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Pakistan of TOW 2A Missiles as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $185 million.
The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of 2,769 Radio Frequency (RF) TOW 2A Missiles, 7 RF TOW 2A Fly-to-buy Missiles, 415 RF Bunker Buster Missiles, 7 RF Fly-to-buy Bunker Buster Missiles, upgrade of 121 TOW Basic/TOW-I launchers to fire TOW II configuration for wire-guided and wireless missiles, TOW Data Acquisition Systems, gunner aiming sight, testers, cameras, spare and repair parts, technical support, support equipment, personnel training and training equipment, technical data and publications, U.S. Government and contractor engineering and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $185 million
This proposed sale will contribute to furthering the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping a friendly country provide for its own legitimate self-defense needs and to enable Pakistan to support U.S. operations against terrorist activity along its porous borders. In addition, these missiles have most recently been employed in several global war on terrorism operations in the tribal areas of Pakistan and have allowed, when coupled with Cobra attack helicopters, the Government of Pakistan to employ new tactics, techniques and procedures that have proven highly effective against terrorists.
Pakistan will augment its land forces with these TOW-2A anti-armor guided missiles. Pakistan will use these missiles to increase its military defensive posture and will have no difficulty absorbing these additional missiles into its armed forces. Pakistan’s existing inventory of TOW missiles will soon begin to be affected by its specified shelf life. While TOW missiles can be employed beyond their shelf life, system reliability and safety are eroded. Pakistan continues to expend TOW missiles in both training exercises and combat operations. The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not affect the basic military balance in the region. The prime contractor will be Raytheon Company in Tucson, Arizona. There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale
Implementation of this proposed sale will not require the assignment of any U.S. Government and contractor representatives to Pakistan.
There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale. This notice of a potential sale is required by law; it does not mean that the sale has been concluded.
sehranasheen
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this will further boost the anti armour capability of pakistan army as it has already baktarshikan ATGM.Pakistan – TOW-2A Anti-Armor Guided Missiles
WASHINGTON, December 07, 2006 - The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Pakistan of TOW 2A Missiles as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $185 million.
The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of 2,769 Radio Frequency (RF) TOW 2A Missiles, 7 RF TOW 2A Fly-to-buy Missiles, 415 RF Bunker Buster Missiles, 7 RF Fly-to-buy Bunker Buster Missiles, upgrade of 121 TOW Basic/TOW-I launchers to fire TOW II configuration for wire-guided and wireless missiles, TOW Data Acquisition Systems, gunner aiming sight, testers, cameras, spare and repair parts, technical support, support equipment, personnel training and training equipment, technical data and publications, U.S. Government and contractor engineering and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $185 million
This proposed sale will contribute to furthering the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping a friendly country provide for its own legitimate self-defense needs and to enable Pakistan to support U.S. operations against terrorist activity along its porous borders. In addition, these missiles have most recently been employed in several global war on terrorism operations in the tribal areas of Pakistan and have allowed, when coupled with Cobra attack helicopters, the Government of Pakistan to employ new tactics, techniques and procedures that have proven highly effective against terrorists.
Pakistan will augment its land forces with these TOW-2A anti-armor guided missiles. Pakistan will use these missiles to increase its military defensive posture and will have no difficulty absorbing these additional missiles into its armed forces. Pakistan’s existing inventory of TOW missiles will soon begin to be affected by its specified shelf life. While TOW missiles can be employed beyond their shelf life, system reliability and safety are eroded. Pakistan continues to expend TOW missiles in both training exercises and combat operations. The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not affect the basic military balance in the region. The prime contractor will be Raytheon Company in Tucson, Arizona. There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale
Implementation of this proposed sale will not require the assignment of any U.S. Government and contractor representatives to Pakistan.
There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale. This notice of a potential sale is required by law; it does not mean that the sale has been concluded.
Kinda makes you wonder about the armor protection levels of India`s T-90 series tanks that Russia braggs so much about.this will further boost the anti armour capability of pakistan army as it has already baktarshikan ATGM.
JANE'S DEFENCE WEEKLY - MARCH 07, 2007
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Pakistan tests assault rifle
Andrew White Jane's Land Reporter
London
The Pakistan Ministry of Defence (MoD) has procured 50 PK-8 assault rifles from Pakistan Ordnance Factories (POF) for evaluation tests as it considers changing calibre in line with NATO armed forces.
The PK-8, which fires the standard NATO 5.56 mm cartridge, has undergone tests in environments ranging from -40˚ C to +50˚ C and the system is being offered as a replacement for the army's existing armoury of 7.62 mm Heckler & Koch G3 assault rifles.
Complete with an Aimpoint optical sight and Picatinny rail for add-on ancillaries such as laser pointers and underslung grenade launchers, the PK-8 has a folding stock, shorter barrel and multiple parts commonality with its larger-calibre G3 relation, according to POF.
Any change in calibre for the army could see the procurement of around 500,000 assault rifles, although POF Director Syed Naseem Raza told Jane's that it was "very happy" with 7.62 mm weapon systems.
Industry sources at POF have recommended that any calibre change be gradually phased in, starting with procurements for the army's Special Service Group (SSG) and light infantry.
Currently, certain units within the Pakistan armed forces already use 5.56 mm systems.
Industry sources told Jane's that they were confident of seeing a new programme within a couple of years.
The army also uses 7.62 mm AK-47 assault rifles and 9 mm MP5 submachine guns.
Speaking at the International Defence Exhibition and Seminar in Karachi in 2006, General Ihsan, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff committee, said that a possible change from 7.62 mm to a more uniform NATO round was being considered.
However, Gen Ihsan admitted that there were "resource constraints" to consider before any decision was made: "We are very conscious of equipping our soldiers with the very best possible weapons and equipment, but we must prioritise our requirements," he said.
"We have paid substantial money into indigenous industry and we must first check this before we think about a changing calibre," said the general. Selecting the PK-8 means the MoD would not have to transfer technology from abroad to fulfil any contract.
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Pakistan's industry joins international competition for new NATO-standard rifle
Pakistan Ordnance Factories (POF) has supplied the Pakistan Army with trials PK-8 assault rifles as the Ministry of Defence (MoD) considers changing from 7.62 mm weapons to a 5.56 mm system. But POF is facing competition from international companies including FN Herstal, which has already supplied certain units within the Pakistan armed forces with 5.56 mm weapons.
[Jane's International Defence Review - first posted to http://idr.janes.com - 14 March 2007]
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Both reports are from Janes. The Pakistan Army may standardize to the 5.56mm NATO calibre type. If a switch does occur, then we're looking at an acquisition of 500 000 rifles...pretty major. Apparently FN Herstal and other international firms are competing with POF for the contract. 50 local PK-8 rifles have been supplied to the PA for testing; I imagine FN, HK, Colt and other companies have also supplied examples as well. Steyr AUGs are in use with SSGs.
Would be interesting to see who wins as we do not know whether the PA will look towards.
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Pakistan tests assault rifle
Andrew White Jane's Land Reporter
London
The Pakistan Ministry of Defence (MoD) has procured 50 PK-8 assault rifles from Pakistan Ordnance Factories (POF) for evaluation tests as it considers changing calibre in line with NATO armed forces.
The PK-8, which fires the standard NATO 5.56 mm cartridge, has undergone tests in environments ranging from -40˚ C to +50˚ C and the system is being offered as a replacement for the army's existing armoury of 7.62 mm Heckler & Koch G3 assault rifles.
Complete with an Aimpoint optical sight and Picatinny rail for add-on ancillaries such as laser pointers and underslung grenade launchers, the PK-8 has a folding stock, shorter barrel and multiple parts commonality with its larger-calibre G3 relation, according to POF.
Any change in calibre for the army could see the procurement of around 500,000 assault rifles, although POF Director Syed Naseem Raza told Jane's that it was "very happy" with 7.62 mm weapon systems.
Industry sources at POF have recommended that any calibre change be gradually phased in, starting with procurements for the army's Special Service Group (SSG) and light infantry.
Currently, certain units within the Pakistan armed forces already use 5.56 mm systems.
Industry sources told Jane's that they were confident of seeing a new programme within a couple of years.
The army also uses 7.62 mm AK-47 assault rifles and 9 mm MP5 submachine guns.
Speaking at the International Defence Exhibition and Seminar in Karachi in 2006, General Ihsan, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff committee, said that a possible change from 7.62 mm to a more uniform NATO round was being considered.
However, Gen Ihsan admitted that there were "resource constraints" to consider before any decision was made: "We are very conscious of equipping our soldiers with the very best possible weapons and equipment, but we must prioritise our requirements," he said.
"We have paid substantial money into indigenous industry and we must first check this before we think about a changing calibre," said the general. Selecting the PK-8 means the MoD would not have to transfer technology from abroad to fulfil any contract.
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Pakistan's industry joins international competition for new NATO-standard rifle
Pakistan Ordnance Factories (POF) has supplied the Pakistan Army with trials PK-8 assault rifles as the Ministry of Defence (MoD) considers changing from 7.62 mm weapons to a 5.56 mm system. But POF is facing competition from international companies including FN Herstal, which has already supplied certain units within the Pakistan armed forces with 5.56 mm weapons.
[Jane's International Defence Review - first posted to http://idr.janes.com - 14 March 2007]
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Both reports are from Janes. The Pakistan Army may standardize to the 5.56mm NATO calibre type. If a switch does occur, then we're looking at an acquisition of 500 000 rifles...pretty major. Apparently FN Herstal and other international firms are competing with POF for the contract. 50 local PK-8 rifles have been supplied to the PA for testing; I imagine FN, HK, Colt and other companies have also supplied examples as well. Steyr AUGs are in use with SSGs.
Would be interesting to see who wins as we do not know whether the PA will look towards.
JANE'S DEFENCE WEEKLY - MARCH 07, 2007
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Pakistan tests assault rifle
Andrew White Jane's Land Reporter
London
The Pakistan Ministry of Defence (MoD) has procured 50 PK-8 assault rifles from Pakistan Ordnance Factories (POF) for evaluation tests as it considers changing calibre in line with NATO armed forces.
The PK-8, which fires the standard NATO 5.56 mm cartridge, has undergone tests in environments ranging from -40˚ C to +50˚ C and the system is being offered as a replacement for the army's existing armoury of 7.62 mm Heckler & Koch G3 assault rifles.
inflation is rising so is labour costs,considering these factors, it would be better if pakistan buys VSK-94 from russia with tot
the VSK-94 is as good as any yet dirt cheap
also M-107 is a great option, since the americans have a pact with us for assistance till 2009.
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Are you Sure russians are supplying these stuff ... its nice change on the russian side.
yes brother iam absolutely positive!
u will be happy to know that russia even offered pakistan SV-99 super-snipers
and MOD, it was by chance that multiple postings bcoz it took 3-hours for my first posting! i wasnt sure whether my posts will be posted at all
i was scared like a child!!
but i promise it will never happen in future
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brothers always forgive !!
inflation is rising so is labour costs,considering these factors, it would be better if pakistan buys VSK-94 from russia with tot
the VSK-94 is as good as any yet dirt cheap
also M-107 is a great option, since the americans have a pact with us for assistance till 2009.
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iam awfully sorry !!
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it was a first-timers' mistake
i officially apologise!!
forgive ur beloved brother!!
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mysterious
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Nero, it is highly naive to say Russia has become a 'reliable' partner of Pakistan in any possible ways.
A few helis for the Pakistan Army and reluctant release of engines for JF-17 Thunder does not really put Russia anywhere on Pakistani forces' procurement agenda.
Pakistan is doing the right thing by sticking to a mix of Western and Chinese systems for now with quality and quantity both playing their roles in prioritization of procurements.
A few helis for the Pakistan Army and reluctant release of engines for JF-17 Thunder does not really put Russia anywhere on Pakistani forces' procurement agenda.
Pakistan is doing the right thing by sticking to a mix of Western and Chinese systems for now with quality and quantity both playing their roles in prioritization of procurements.
what why not by a attack chopper from turkey, Turkey now produces there own attack choppers now thanx to the italians for selling the technologythere has been alot of news about pakistan army Receiving some numbers of AH-64, but whats happening?
"Pakistan is thought to have ordered 6 Apache Longbow for its various anti-terrorism missions; unofficial reports suggest that the Pakistan Army has a requirement of up to 30 AH-64D Apache Longbow by 2010."
"The Pakistan Army is all set to receive a batch of six Apache attack helicopters from the U.S. early next month, after nearly a decade-long arms embargo, reports here say.The six AH-64D Long Bow Apaches will be part of the $73 million American assistance to Pakistan announced last week to strengthen its western borders with Afghanistan."
are these Rumors or what??
which is the tungusta but now its made with turkish electronicks and now its called T129 instead of A129
mysterious
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LongBow is by far the best option available to the Pakistan Army in its fight against militants in the tribal areas. However, I think these reports of Pakistan getting LongBows seems a bit far fetched. I have not come across anything credible to suggest that this might actually materialize.
I think Pakistan will upgrade its Cobras and strengthen its numbers until it is time to start replacing a considerable portion of the AH-1 fleet. The upgrade proposed at IDEAS 2006 would bring PAA AH-1F/S to Z standard avionically.
When the Turkish attack helicopter tender was available the Turkish press reported PAA was interested in procuring 30 units of the same type Turkey choses. If that is true, then I think Turkey will not export the T-129 until its batch of 51 is completed. Maybe AFFDP-2019 includes 30 Next-Gen Attack Helicopters for PAA.
There are other projects in PA that have taken top priority:
1) Infantry modernization: Kevlar bullet-proof vests, new ballistic helmets and 5.56mm assault rifles to at least 500,000 troops.
2) Armor modernization: Acquisition of Saad/Talha APCs & variants. Development of Al Khalid-I and Al Khalid-II MBTs...need to replace T-59s. Acquisition of light APCs such as Otokar Cobra, HIT Mohafiz, etc.
3) Gearing towards net-centric warfare: Development of Rahbar & other BMS. The IBMS for Al Khalid-series MBTs.
4) Artillery modernization. Plan to standardize on 155mm towed and self-propelled howitzers, the recent Panter purchase might be for evaluation purposes. POF signed MoUs with South Korea on development and production of various types of 155mm artillery ammunition.
5) Air Defence: Besides SHORAD, PA is probably responsible for LoMAD and HiMAD as well, so it is possible they'll have to commit money towards medium and long-range SAMs.
6) Aviation: Replacing older Hueys, Mi-8s and Lamas with Bell-412EPs, Mi-17s and Ecruiels, respectively. PAA might search for a new transport helicopter type to replace its Pumas, if options include NH-90TTH, AW-149, Z-15 - then this requirement would be released after 2010. Attack fleet is being strengthened with more AH-1F/S Cobras, as well as potential upgrade to Z avionic standards...besides this the potential 30 new-gen requirement.
When the Turkish attack helicopter tender was available the Turkish press reported PAA was interested in procuring 30 units of the same type Turkey choses. If that is true, then I think Turkey will not export the T-129 until its batch of 51 is completed. Maybe AFFDP-2019 includes 30 Next-Gen Attack Helicopters for PAA.
There are other projects in PA that have taken top priority:
1) Infantry modernization: Kevlar bullet-proof vests, new ballistic helmets and 5.56mm assault rifles to at least 500,000 troops.
2) Armor modernization: Acquisition of Saad/Talha APCs & variants. Development of Al Khalid-I and Al Khalid-II MBTs...need to replace T-59s. Acquisition of light APCs such as Otokar Cobra, HIT Mohafiz, etc.
3) Gearing towards net-centric warfare: Development of Rahbar & other BMS. The IBMS for Al Khalid-series MBTs.
4) Artillery modernization. Plan to standardize on 155mm towed and self-propelled howitzers, the recent Panter purchase might be for evaluation purposes. POF signed MoUs with South Korea on development and production of various types of 155mm artillery ammunition.
5) Air Defence: Besides SHORAD, PA is probably responsible for LoMAD and HiMAD as well, so it is possible they'll have to commit money towards medium and long-range SAMs.
6) Aviation: Replacing older Hueys, Mi-8s and Lamas with Bell-412EPs, Mi-17s and Ecruiels, respectively. PAA might search for a new transport helicopter type to replace its Pumas, if options include NH-90TTH, AW-149, Z-15 - then this requirement would be released after 2010. Attack fleet is being strengthened with more AH-1F/S Cobras, as well as potential upgrade to Z avionic standards...besides this the potential 30 new-gen requirement.
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Talk of new generation helos in the short terms is just talk since the army has allready signed contracts for upgrading its current fleet.I think Pakistan will upgrade its Cobras and strengthen its numbers until it is time to start replacing a considerable portion of the AH-1 fleet. The upgrade proposed at IDEAS 2006 would bring PAA AH-1F/S to Z standard avionically.
When the Turkish attack helicopter tender was available the Turkish press reported PAA was interested in procuring 30 units of the same type Turkey choses. If that is true, then I think Turkey will not export the T-129 until its batch of 51 is completed. Maybe AFFDP-2019 includes 30 Next-Gen Attack Helicopters for PAA.
There are other projects in PA that have taken top priority:
1) Infantry modernization: Kevlar bullet-proof vests, new ballistic helmets and 5.56mm assault rifles to at least 500,000 troops.
2) Armor modernization: Acquisition of Saad/Talha APCs & variants. Development of Al Khalid-I and Al Khalid-II MBTs...need to replace T-59s. Acquisition of light APCs such as Otokar Cobra, HIT Mohafiz, etc.
3) Gearing towards net-centric warfare: Development of Rahbar & other BMS. The IBMS for Al Khalid-series MBTs.
4) Artillery modernization. Plan to standardize on 155mm towed and self-propelled howitzers, the recent Panter purchase might be for evaluation purposes. POF signed MoUs with South Korea on development and production of various types of 155mm artillery ammunition.
5) Air Defence: Besides SHORAD, PA is probably responsible for LoMAD and HiMAD as well, so it is possible they'll have to commit money towards medium and long-range SAMs.
6) Aviation: Replacing older Hueys, Mi-8s and Lamas with Bell-412EPs, Mi-17s and Ecruiels, respectively. PAA might search for a new transport helicopter type to replace its Pumas, if options include NH-90TTH, AW-149, Z-15 - then this requirement would be released after 2010. Attack fleet is being strengthened with more AH-1F/S Cobras, as well as potential upgrade to Z avionic standards...besides this the potential 30 new-gen requirement.
I wouldn't support a move to the 5.56 as the world is now moving away from it and because in our theater of conflict contact will often be a longer ranges. 6.5mm or its relatives should be good.
Apart from the mechanization there are growing calls from field commanders for IFVs and fitting the M113 with a turret does not make it one.
Info Warfare/net centric program is now well underway and it is allready bieng tested with some mech infantary formations.
Bang on job with the 155mm. They are planning to buy more M198s from various countries and vehicals are allready bieng tested.
They are currently in the final phases of deciding which SHORAD they want so be ready for some good news soon.
mysterious
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Old news, as far as I know, upgrades are already progressing.I think Pakistan will upgrade its Cobras and strengthen its numbers until it is time to start replacing a considerable portion of the AH-1 fleet. The upgrade proposed at IDEAS 2006 would bring PAA AH-1F/S to Z standard avionically.
No progress has been made with regards to this.BilalK said:When the Turkish attack helicopter tender was available the Turkish press reported PAA was interested in procuring 30 units of the same type Turkey choses. If that is true, then I think Turkey will not export the T-129 until its batch of 51 is completed. Maybe AFFDP-2019 includes 30 Next-Gen Attack Helicopters for PAA.
Old and inaccurate info. Kevlar vests and ballistic helmets only being handed out to Special Op units for now. That will only be extended to regular infantry units when PA is not bound by budget constraints. Same thing with 5.56mm assault rifles, only Special Op units in the process of being outfitted so far with the rest remaning to be seen.BilalK said:There are other projects in PA that have taken top priority:
1) Infantry modernization: Kevlar bullet-proof vests, new ballistic helmets and 5.56mm assault rifles to at least 500,000 troops.
Old info. Al-Khalid II is much talked about but very little is known apart from the fact that the known upgrade thus far is the Catherine Thermal Imaging System. IMHO, PA wouldn't call it Al-Khalid II if only one upgrade is planned. Even the current batches of Al-Khalid have received more modifications relative to the first few batches such as the BMS (Battle Management System) but the PA is still not calling them Al-Khalid II.BilalK said:2) Armor modernization: Acquisition of Saad/Talha APCs & variants. Development of Al Khalid-I and Al Khalid-II MBTs...need to replace T-59s. Acquisition of light APCs such as Otokar Cobra, HIT Mohafiz, etc.
T-59s and T-69s are 'already' being upgraded to Al-Zarar configuration which itself is to receive minor upgrades. 300 T-59s have already been upgraded to Al-Zarar standard with as many to follow.
Mohafiz is intended as an armoured choice for internal security agencies and are already in service with different police forces in the country. Al-Talha APC has already reached the 300+ production mark and has been handed over to various segments of the PA. 'Saad' is reportedly an IFV with much improved capabilities over the Al-Talha but that remains to be seen since the project is shrouded in mystery and there aren't many pictures or even detailed specs available (many being contradictory).
Already being done. Battle Management System already installed on scores of Al-Khalid tanks but not all.BilalK said:3) Gearing towards net-centric warfare: Development of Rahbar & other BMS. The IBMS for Al Khalid-series MBTs.
Old info. PA has already taken delivery of 115 M109A5 SP artillery from the US with up to 20 units of Panter procured from Turkey. It is believed that a combination of M109A5 and Panters will form the punch of the PA's artillery force.BilalK said:4) Artillery modernization. Plan to standardize on 155mm towed and self-propelled howitzers, the recent Panter purchase might be for evaluation purposes. POF signed MoUs with South Korea on development and production of various types of 155mm artillery ammunition.
No word has come up as to which system is being seen as the lead contender to fulfill Pakistans air-defence needs to replace its obsolete systems.BilalK said:5) Air Defence: Besides SHORAD, PA is probably responsible for LoMAD and HiMAD as well, so it is possible they'll have to commit money towards medium and long-range SAMs.
Mi-8s and Mi-17s are slated to serve until at least 2012. Others are being replaced. Recently 20 Cobras were procured from the US with upgrades on the existing fleet on-going.BilalK said:6) Aviation: Replacing older Hueys, Mi-8s and Lamas with Bell-412EPs, Mi-17s and Ecruiels, respectively. PAA might search for a new transport helicopter type to replace its Pumas, if options include NH-90TTH, AW-149, Z-15 - then this requirement would be released after 2010. Attack fleet is being strengthened with more AH-1F/S Cobras, as well as potential upgrade to Z avionic standards...besides this the potential 30 new-gen requirement.
26 Bell-412EPs are already on order and in the process of delivery with another 14 expected to be added to the original order.
From images I've seen, it appears that Kevlar vests have already begun making their way onto paramilitary forces such as the Rangers, although not actually Regulars - they're a few steps below the Special Forces. I can provide you a few images if you wish.Old and inaccurate info. Kevlar vests and ballistic helmets only being handed out to Special Op units for now. That will only be extended to regular infantry units when PA is not bound by budget constraints. Same thing with 5.56mm assault rifles, only Special Op units in the process of being outfitted so far with the rest remaning to be seen.